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Subject: Carriers are only slowly adapting to iOS 18 beta RCS integration
From: Harry S Robins
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From: stanleyrobins@nothere.uk (Harry S Robins)
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Subject: Carriers are only slowly adapting to iOS 18 beta RCS integration
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https://9to5mac.com/2024/06/24/ios-18-rcs-iphone-beta/

No signs of RCS were seen in the first beta of iOS 18 released earlier this
month. However, the second beta of iOS 18 released on Monday added a new
RCS toggle in the Settings app, at least for some users. This has made beta
testers wonder why some of them aren't seeing the toggle, or even why the
feature isn't working despite the toggle being turned on.

Well, we now have the answer.

As seen by 9to5Mac in the iOS 18 beta 2 code, RCS support on the iPhone
relies on Apple working with carrier partners to get them to update their
bundles shipped with iOS. Right now, only a few carriers (such as AT&T and
T-Mobile in the US) have updated their carrier bundles to support RCS on
the iPhone.

Of course, there's still time for more carriers to work on enabling RCS
support on the iPhone by September, when iOS 18 will be available to the
public. But at the same time, this means that most beta users probably
won't be able to test the new feature.

Subject: Re: Carriers are only slowly adapting to iOS 18 beta RCS integration
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Am 25.06.24 um 09:33 schrieb Harry S Robins:
> https://9to5mac.com/2024/06/24/ios-18-rcs-iphone-beta/
>
> No signs of RCS were seen in the first beta of iOS 18 released earlier this
> month. However, the second beta of iOS 18 released on Monday added a new
> RCS toggle in the Settings app, at least for some users. This has made beta
> testers wonder why some of them aren't seeing the toggle, or even why the
> feature isn't working despite the toggle being turned on.
>
> Well, we now have the answer.
>
> As seen by 9to5Mac in the iOS 18 beta 2 code, RCS support on the iPhone
> relies on Apple working with carrier partners to get them to update their
> bundles shipped with iOS. Right now, only a few carriers (such as AT&T and
> T-Mobile in the US) have updated their carrier bundles to support RCS on
> the iPhone.
>
> Of course, there's still time for more carriers to work on enabling RCS
> support on the iPhone by September, when iOS 18 will be available to the
> public. But at the same time, this means that most beta users probably
> won't be able to test the new feature.

There is no reasonable scenario where iPhone users need RCS.

I have it on my Pixel 7 with the provider Salt here in Switzerland and I
seriously have the impression Apple is just implementing it to get rid
of the endless Google-jammering.

RCS is security-wise even not second rate and just a nightmare.

--
"Manus manum lavat."

Subject: Re: Carriers are only slowly adapting to iOS 18 beta RCS integration
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On 6/25/2024 3:33 AM, Harry S Robins wrote:
> https://9to5mac.com/2024/06/24/ios-18-rcs-iphone-beta/
>
> No signs of RCS were seen in the first beta of iOS 18 released earlier this
> month. However, the second beta of iOS 18 released on Monday added a new
> RCS toggle in the Settings app, at least for some users. This has made beta
> testers wonder why some of them aren't seeing the toggle, or even why the
> feature isn't working despite the toggle being turned on.
>
> Well, we now have the answer.
>
> As seen by 9to5Mac in the iOS 18 beta 2 code, RCS support on the iPhone
> relies on Apple working with carrier partners to get them to update their
> bundles shipped with iOS. Right now, only a few carriers (such as AT&T and
> T-Mobile in the US) have updated their carrier bundles to support RCS on
> the iPhone.
>
> Of course, there's still time for more carriers to work on enabling RCS
> support on the iPhone by September, when iOS 18 will be available to the
> public. But at the same time, this means that most beta users probably
> won't be able to test the new feature.

Is there a reason to care about this? Is there a reason for RCS?
What? Because Gen-Zers are afraid of the word "email"? I looked
it up and as far as I can see it's just email with spying, like what
ConstantContact have done with javascript.

Subject: Re: Carriers are only slowly adapting to iOS 18 beta RCS integration
From: Colour Sergeant Bour
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On 6/25/24 3:33 AM, Harry S Robins wrote:
> https://9to5mac.com/2024/06/24/ios-18-rcs-iphone-beta/
>
> No signs of RCS were seen in the first beta of iOS 18 released earlier this
> month. However, the second beta of iOS 18 released on Monday added a new
> RCS toggle in the Settings app, at least for some users. This has made beta
> testers wonder why some of them aren't seeing the toggle, or even why the
> feature isn't working despite the toggle being turned on.
>
> Well, we now have the answer.
>
> As seen by 9to5Mac in the iOS 18 beta 2 code, RCS support on the iPhone
> relies on Apple working with carrier partners to get them to update their
> bundles shipped with iOS. Right now, only a few carriers (such as AT&T and
> T-Mobile in the US) have updated their carrier bundles to support RCS on
> the iPhone.
>
> Of course, there's still time for more carriers to work on enabling RCS
> support on the iPhone by September, when iOS 18 will be available to the
> public. But at the same time, this means that most beta users probably
> won't be able to test the new feature.

RCS? BFD!

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Subject: Re: Carriers are only slowly adapting to iOS 18 beta RCS integration
From: Alan Browne
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Organization: A noiseless patient Spider
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2024 12:51 UTC
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From: singularity@blackhole.org (Alan Browne)
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Subject: Re: Carriers are only slowly adapting to iOS 18 beta RCS integration
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On 2024-06-25 03:33, Harry S Robins wrote:
> https://9to5mac.com/2024/06/24/ios-18-rcs-iphone-beta/
>
> No signs of RCS were seen in the first beta of iOS 18 released earlier this
> month. However, the second beta of iOS 18 released on Monday added a new
> RCS toggle in the Settings app, at least for some users. This has made beta
> testers wonder why some of them aren't seeing the toggle, or even why the
> feature isn't working despite the toggle being turned on.
>
> Well, we now have the answer.
>
> As seen by 9to5Mac in the iOS 18 beta 2 code, RCS support on the iPhone
> relies on Apple working with carrier partners to get them to update their
> bundles shipped with iOS. Right now, only a few carriers (such as AT&T and
> T-Mobile in the US) have updated their carrier bundles to support RCS on
> the iPhone.
>
> Of course, there's still time for more carriers to work on enabling RCS
> support on the iPhone by September, when iOS 18 will be available to the
> public. But at the same time, this means that most beta users probably
> won't be able to test the new feature.

It is getting tight to the mid-Sept drop of new IOS'.

Having to get carriers to update their systems is an added complexity
and carriers don't have huge incentive to implement it. Possibly they
see it as more load.

--
"It would be a measureless disaster if Russian barbarism overlaid
the culture and independence of the ancient States of Europe."
Winston Churchill

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From: singularity@blackhole.org (Alan Browne)
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Subject: Re: Carriers are only slowly adapting to iOS 18 beta RCS integration
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On 2024-06-25 04:22, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
> Am 25.06.24 um 09:33 schrieb Harry S Robins:
>> https://9to5mac.com/2024/06/24/ios-18-rcs-iphone-beta/
>>
>> No signs of RCS were seen in the first beta of iOS 18 released earlier this
>> month. However, the second beta of iOS 18 released on Monday added a new
>> RCS toggle in the Settings app, at least for some users. This has made beta
>> testers wonder why some of them aren't seeing the toggle, or even why the
>> feature isn't working despite the toggle being turned on.
>>
>> Well, we now have the answer.
>>
>> As seen by 9to5Mac in the iOS 18 beta 2 code, RCS support on the iPhone
>> relies on Apple working with carrier partners to get them to update their
>> bundles shipped with iOS. Right now, only a few carriers (such as AT&T and
>> T-Mobile in the US) have updated their carrier bundles to support RCS on
>> the iPhone.
>>
>> Of course, there's still time for more carriers to work on enabling RCS
>> support on the iPhone by September, when iOS 18 will be available to the
>> public. But at the same time, this means that most beta users probably
>> won't be able to test the new feature.
>
> There is no reasonable scenario where iPhone users need RCS.
>
> I have it on my Pixel 7 with the provider Salt here in Switzerland and I
> seriously have the impression Apple is just implementing it to get rid
> of the endless Google-jammering.

As usual you babble from your singular point of view.

As I have contacts who use Android machines we're forced to use other
means to exchange sensitive info (usually Signal). Thankfully this is
not all that often.

> RCS is security-wise even not second rate and just a nightmare.

Apple plan to implement encrypted RCS. Whether this will be available
for the Sept. release is not clear.

They don't want Google's version (Which Google is pushing hard for) -
Apple want an open version.

--
"It would be a measureless disaster if Russian barbarism overlaid
the culture and independence of the ancient States of Europe."
Winston Churchill

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Subject: Re: Carriers are only slowly adapting to iOS 18 beta RCS integration
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On 25.06.24 15:00, Alan Browne wrote:
> On 2024-06-25 04:22, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>> Am 25.06.24 um 09:33 schrieb Harry S Robins:
>>> https://9to5mac.com/2024/06/24/ios-18-rcs-iphone-beta/
>>>
>>> No signs of RCS were seen in the first beta of iOS 18 released earlier this
>>> month. However, the second beta of iOS 18 released on Monday added a new
>>> RCS toggle in the Settings app, at least for some users. This has made beta
>>> testers wonder why some of them aren't seeing the toggle, or even why the
>>> feature isn't working despite the toggle being turned on.
>>>
>>> Well, we now have the answer.
>>>
>>> As seen by 9to5Mac in the iOS 18 beta 2 code, RCS support on the iPhone
>>> relies on Apple working with carrier partners to get them to update their
>>> bundles shipped with iOS. Right now, only a few carriers (such as AT&T and
>>> T-Mobile in the US) have updated their carrier bundles to support RCS on
>>> the iPhone.
>>>
>>> Of course, there's still time for more carriers to work on enabling RCS
>>> support on the iPhone by September, when iOS 18 will be available to the
>>> public. But at the same time, this means that most beta users probably
>>> won't be able to test the new feature.
>>
>> There is no reasonable scenario where iPhone users need RCS.
>>
>> I have it on my Pixel 7 with the provider Salt here in Switzerland and I
>> seriously have the impression Apple is just implementing it to get rid
>> of the endless Google-jammering.
>
> As usual you babble from your singular point of view.

You do not understand what I'm talking about.

> As I have contacts who use Android machines we're forced to use other
> means to exchange sensitive info (usually Signal). Thankfully this is
> not all that often.

*Signal is not RCS*. Signal is a highly encrypted messenger. And that
kind of application is the way to go and not *RCS*.

>> RCS is security-wise even not second rate and just a nightmare.
>
> Apple plan to implement encrypted RCS. Whether this will be available
> for the Sept. release is not clear.

Irrelevant. RCS has *always* an unwanted man-in-the-middle.

> They don't want Google's version (Which Google is pushing hard for) -
> Apple want an open version.

Irrelvant.

--
"Alea iacta est." (Julius Caesar)

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On Tue, 25 Jun 2024 08:51:06 -0400, Alan Browne wrote:

>> Of course, there's still time for more carriers to work on enabling RCS
>> support on the iPhone by September, when iOS 18 will be available to the
>> public. But at the same time, this means that most beta users probably
>> won't be able to test the new feature.
>
> It is getting tight to the mid-Sept drop of new IOS'.
>
> Having to get carriers to update their systems is an added complexity
> and carriers don't have huge incentive to implement it. Possibly they
> see it as more load.

Once Apple supports RCS & after the carriers support their iOS RCS bundles,
what problems will be solved when RCS is finally working on both platforms?

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On 25.06.24 16:56, Gelato wrote:
> On Tue, 25 Jun 2024 08:51:06 -0400, Alan Browne wrote:
>
>>> Of course, there's still time for more carriers to work on enabling RCS
>>> support on the iPhone by September, when iOS 18 will be available to the
>>> public. But at the same time, this means that most beta users probably
>>> won't be able to test the new feature.
>>
>> It is getting tight to the mid-Sept drop of new IOS'.
>>
>> Having to get carriers to update their systems is an added complexity
>> and carriers don't have huge incentive to implement it. Possibly they
>> see it as more load.
>
> Once Apple supports RCS & after the carriers support their iOS RCS bundles,
> what problems will be solved when RCS is finally working on both platforms?

This is exactly the key question: *NONE*

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Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> writes:

> On 25.06.24 15:00, Alan Browne wrote:
>> On 2024-06-25 04:22, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>>> Am 25.06.24 um 09:33 schrieb Harry S Robins:
>>>> https://9to5mac.com/2024/06/24/ios-18-rcs-iphone-beta/
>>>>
>>>> No signs of RCS were seen in the first beta of iOS 18 released earlier this
>>>> month. However, the second beta of iOS 18 released on Monday added a new
>>>> RCS toggle in the Settings app, at least for some users. This has made beta
>>>> testers wonder why some of them aren't seeing the toggle, or even why the
>>>> feature isn't working despite the toggle being turned on.
>>>>
>>>> Well, we now have the answer.
>>>>
>>>> As seen by 9to5Mac in the iOS 18 beta 2 code, RCS support on the iPhone
>>>> relies on Apple working with carrier partners to get them to update their
>>>> bundles shipped with iOS. Right now, only a few carriers (such as AT&T and
>>>> T-Mobile in the US) have updated their carrier bundles to support RCS on
>>>> the iPhone.
>>>>
>>>> Of course, there's still time for more carriers to work on enabling RCS
>>>> support on the iPhone by September, when iOS 18 will be available to the
>>>> public. But at the same time, this means that most beta users probably
>>>> won't be able to test the new feature.
>>>
>>> There is no reasonable scenario where iPhone users need RCS.
>>>
>>> I have it on my Pixel 7 with the provider Salt here in Switzerland and I
>>> seriously have the impression Apple is just implementing it to get rid
>>> of the endless Google-jammering.
>>
>> As usual you babble from your singular point of view.
>
> You do not understand what I'm talking about.
>
>> As I have contacts who use Android machines we're forced to use other
>> means to exchange sensitive info (usually Signal). Thankfully this is
>> not all that often.
>
> *Signal is not RCS*. Signal is a highly encrypted messenger. And that
> kind of application is the way to go and not *RCS*.
>
>>> RCS is security-wise even not second rate and just a nightmare.
>>
>> Apple plan to implement encrypted RCS. Whether this will be available
>> for the Sept. release is not clear.
>
> Irrelevant. RCS has *always* an unwanted man-in-the-middle.

RCS can support end to end encryption.

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On 2024-06-25 10:41, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
> On 25.06.24 15:00, Alan Browne wrote:
>> On 2024-06-25 04:22, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>>> Am 25.06.24 um 09:33 schrieb Harry S Robins:
>>>> https://9to5mac.com/2024/06/24/ios-18-rcs-iphone-beta/
>>>>
>>>> No signs of RCS were seen in the first beta of iOS 18 released earlier this
>>>> month. However, the second beta of iOS 18 released on Monday added a new
>>>> RCS toggle in the Settings app, at least for some users. This has made beta
>>>> testers wonder why some of them aren't seeing the toggle, or even why the
>>>> feature isn't working despite the toggle being turned on.
>>>>
>>>> Well, we now have the answer.
>>>>
>>>> As seen by 9to5Mac in the iOS 18 beta 2 code, RCS support on the iPhone
>>>> relies on Apple working with carrier partners to get them to update their
>>>> bundles shipped with iOS. Right now, only a few carriers (such as AT&T and
>>>> T-Mobile in the US) have updated their carrier bundles to support RCS on
>>>> the iPhone.
>>>>
>>>> Of course, there's still time for more carriers to work on enabling RCS
>>>> support on the iPhone by September, when iOS 18 will be available to the
>>>> public. But at the same time, this means that most beta users probably
>>>> won't be able to test the new feature.
>>>
>>> There is no reasonable scenario where iPhone users need RCS.
>>>
>>> I have it on my Pixel 7 with the provider Salt here in Switzerland and I
>>> seriously have the impression Apple is just implementing it to get rid
>>> of the endless Google-jammering.
>>
>> As usual you babble from your singular point of view.
>
> You do not understand what I'm talking about.

I do all too well. As usual you're projecting your experience and
worldview onto everyone.
And as usual that has to be pointed out to you.

>
>> As I have contacts who use Android machines we're forced to use other
>> means to exchange sensitive info (usually Signal). Thankfully this is
>> not all that often.
>
> *Signal is not RCS*.

I never said it was numbskull. I said I use Signal to send encrypted
messages (and files) to people using Android phones from my iPhone
(actually from my Mac - quibble).

Signal is a highly encrypted messenger. And that
> kind of application is the way to go and not *RCS*.

I'd rather send from iOS/Mac OS messages w/o using a 3rd party app.

>
>>> RCS is security-wise even not second rate and just a nightmare.
>>
>> Apple plan to implement encrypted RCS. Whether this will be available
>> for the Sept. release is not clear.
>
> Irrelevant. RCS has *always* an unwanted man-in-the-middle.

Not so if I want default application encrypted messaging from me
(iOS/Mac OS) to Android phones.

But that's probably too hard for you to grasp.

>> They don't want Google's version (Which Google is pushing hard for) -
>> Apple want an open version.
>
> Irrelvant.

Very relevant. Do you want Google's own encryption that is not open
source to be used or for a public open source encryption to be used?

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the culture and independence of the ancient States of Europe."
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On 2024-06-25 10:56, Gelato wrote:
> On Tue, 25 Jun 2024 08:51:06 -0400, Alan Browne wrote:
>
>>> Of course, there's still time for more carriers to work on enabling RCS
>>> support on the iPhone by September, when iOS 18 will be available to the
>>> public. But at the same time, this means that most beta users probably
>>> won't be able to test the new feature.
>>
>> It is getting tight to the mid-Sept drop of new IOS'.
>>
>> Having to get carriers to update their systems is an added complexity
>> and carriers don't have huge incentive to implement it. Possibly they
>> see it as more load.
>
> Once Apple supports RCS & after the carriers support their iOS RCS bundles,
> what problems will be solved when RCS is finally working on both platforms?

Hopefully the problem of transparently sending large files from(to) iOS
to(from) Android with little effort or loss. Hopefully avoiding the
"phone" paradigm along the way. And of course the whole encryption
issue also needs to be worked out so that it is not Google oriented.

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the culture and independence of the ancient States of Europe."
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On 2024-06-25 11:13, Jörg Lorenz wrote:

> This is exactly the key question: *NONE*

This has been a Jörg Lorenz Narrow View Presentation.

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Subject: Re: Carriers are only slowly adapting to iOS 18 beta RCS integration
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Gelato <gelato@.is.invalid> wrote:
> On Tue, 25 Jun 2024 08:51:06 -0400, Alan Browne wrote:
>
>>> Of course, there's still time for more carriers to work on enabling RCS
>>> support on the iPhone by September, when iOS 18 will be available to the
>>> public. But at the same time, this means that most beta users probably
>>> won't be able to test the new feature.
>>
>> It is getting tight to the mid-Sept drop of new IOS'.
>>
>> Having to get carriers to update their systems is an added complexity
>> and carriers don't have huge incentive to implement it. Possibly they
>> see it as more load.
>
> Once Apple supports RCS & after the carriers support their iOS RCS bundles,
> what problems will be solved when RCS is finally working on both platforms?
>

Maybe the green bubble?

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Am 25.06.24 um 17:55 schrieb Richmond:
> RCS can support end to end encryption.

No it can't. At the edge of the networks it is always broken.

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Am 25.06.24 um 22:35 schrieb Alan Browne:
> On 2024-06-25 10:56, Gelato wrote:
>> Once Apple supports RCS & after the carriers support their iOS RCS bundles,
>> what problems will be solved when RCS is finally working on both platforms?
>
> Hopefully the problem of transparently sending large files from(to) iOS
> to(from) Android with little effort or loss. Hopefully avoiding the
> "phone" paradigm along the way. And of course the whole encryption
> issue also needs to be worked out so that it is not Google oriented.

Only the real amateurs and houswifes do it that way.
*ROTFSTC*

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Am 25.06.24 um 23:36 schrieb badgolferman:
> Gelato <gelato@.is.invalid> wrote:
>> On Tue, 25 Jun 2024 08:51:06 -0400, Alan Browne wrote:
>>
>>>> Of course, there's still time for more carriers to work on enabling RCS
>>>> support on the iPhone by September, when iOS 18 will be available to the
>>>> public. But at the same time, this means that most beta users probably
>>>> won't be able to test the new feature.
>>>
>>> It is getting tight to the mid-Sept drop of new IOS'.
>>>
>>> Having to get carriers to update their systems is an added complexity
>>> and carriers don't have huge incentive to implement it. Possibly they
>>> see it as more load.
>>
>> Once Apple supports RCS & after the carriers support their iOS RCS bundles,
>> what problems will be solved when RCS is finally working on both platforms?
>>
>
> Maybe the green bubble?

It will stay green irrespective of RCS.

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Subject: Re: Carriers are only slowly adapting to iOS 18 beta RCS integration
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On 2024-06-25 09:33, Harry S Robins wrote:
> https://9to5mac.com/2024/06/24/ios-18-rcs-iphone-beta/
>
> No signs of RCS were seen in the first beta of iOS 18 released earlier this
> month. However, the second beta of iOS 18 released on Monday added a new
> RCS toggle in the Settings app, at least for some users. This has made beta
> testers wonder why some of them aren't seeing the toggle, or even why the
> feature isn't working despite the toggle being turned on.
>
> Well, we now have the answer.
>
> As seen by 9to5Mac in the iOS 18 beta 2 code, RCS support on the iPhone
> relies on Apple working with carrier partners to get them to update their
> bundles shipped with iOS. Right now, only a few carriers (such as AT&T and
> T-Mobile in the US) have updated their carrier bundles to support RCS on
> the iPhone.
>
> Of course, there's still time for more carriers to work on enabling RCS
> support on the iPhone by September, when iOS 18 will be available to the
> public. But at the same time, this means that most beta users probably
> won't be able to test the new feature.

Interesting :-)

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On 2024-06-25 07:33:20 +0000, Harry S Robins said:
>
> https://9to5mac.com/2024/06/24/ios-18-rcs-iphone-beta/
>
> No signs of RCS were seen in the first beta of iOS 18 released earlier this
> month. However, the second beta of iOS 18 released on Monday added a new
> RCS toggle in the Settings app, at least for some users. This has made beta
> testers wonder why some of them aren't seeing the toggle, or even why the
> feature isn't working despite the toggle being turned on.
>
> Well, we now have the answer.
>
> As seen by 9to5Mac in the iOS 18 beta 2 code, RCS support on the iPhone
> relies on Apple working with carrier partners to get them to update their
> bundles shipped with iOS. Right now, only a few carriers (such as AT&T and
> T-Mobile in the US) have updated their carrier bundles to support RCS on
> the iPhone.
>
> Of course, there's still time for more carriers to work on enabling RCS
> support on the iPhone by September, when iOS 18 will be available to the
> public. But at the same time, this means that most beta users probably
> won't be able to test the new feature.

If RCS is so ubiquitous and important on "all" Android phones, then the
companies should already have RCS setup on their networks and the
handset the user has *should* be completely irrelevant. The fact that
these companies are now having to specifically now make changes to
allow RCS shows it wasn't actually as all-important or widespread usage
as the moron whiners and trolls claimed it was ... as usual. :-\

Subject: Re: Carriers are only slowly adapting to iOS 18 beta RCS integration
From: Carlos E.R.
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On 2024-06-27 00:33, Your Name wrote:
> On 2024-06-25 07:33:20 +0000, Harry S Robins said:
>>
>> https://9to5mac.com/2024/06/24/ios-18-rcs-iphone-beta/
>>
>> No signs of RCS were seen in the first beta of iOS 18 released earlier
>> this
>> month. However, the second beta of iOS 18 released on Monday added a new
>> RCS toggle in the Settings app, at least for some users. This has made
>> beta
>> testers wonder why some of them aren't seeing the toggle, or even why the
>> feature isn't working despite the toggle being turned on.
>>
>> Well, we now have the answer.
>>
>> As seen by 9to5Mac in the iOS 18 beta 2 code, RCS support on the iPhone
>> relies on Apple working with carrier partners to get them to update their
>> bundles shipped with iOS. Right now, only a few carriers (such as AT&T
>> and
>> T-Mobile in the US) have updated their carrier bundles to support RCS on
>> the iPhone.
>>
>> Of course, there's still time for more carriers to work on enabling RCS
>> support on the iPhone by September, when iOS 18 will be available to the
>> public. But at the same time, this means that most beta users probably
>> won't be able to test the new feature.
>
> If RCS is so ubiquitous and important on "all" Android phones, then the
> companies should already have RCS setup on their networks and the
> handset the user has *should* be completely irrelevant. The fact that
> these companies are now having to specifically now make changes to allow
> RCS shows it wasn't actually as all-important or widespread usage as the
> moron whiners and trolls claimed it was ... as usual. :-\

You are not reading the situation correctly :-)

The current field is controlled and tailored as the first comers
negotiated. Google and friends. Now comes a new player, Apple,
reluctantly, and wants to change the existing landscape to their liking.
Well, they will have to negotiate hard to do that. If they can convince
the existing players.

Never mind, we will have RCS all around in a few years. It will come.
Just be patient and eat pop corn as they play out :-)

--
Cheers, Carlos.

Subject: Re: Carriers are only slowly adapting to iOS 18 beta RCS integration
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On Thu, 27 Jun 2024 10:33:56 +1200, Your Name wrote:

> If RCS is so ubiquitous and important on "all" Android phones, then the
> companies should already have RCS setup on their networks and the
> handset the user has *should* be completely irrelevant. The fact that
> these companies are now having to specifically now make changes to
> allow RCS shows it wasn't actually as all-important or widespread usage
> as the moron whiners and trolls claimed it was ... as usual. :-\

The article in the OP says the carriers need to update only the iOS bundle.

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W Tue, 25 Jun 2024 16:35:44 -0400, Alan Browne napisal:

>> Once Apple supports RCS & after the carriers support their iOS RCS bundles,
>> what problems will be solved when RCS is finally working on both platforms?
>
> Hopefully the problem of transparently sending large files from(to) iOS
> to(from) Android with little effort or loss. Hopefully avoiding the
> "phone" paradigm along the way. And of course the whole encryption
> issue also needs to be worked out so that it is not Google oriented.

Gizmodo lists the problems that should be solved when RCS is in iOS.
https://gizmodo.com/apple-messages-supports-rcs-ios18-beta-1851562461

"Audio and video sent between devices will no longer be compressed down.
Group chats will no longer be butchered and broken as friends and family
attempt to find common ground, such as who will bring the dessert to the
gathering. And you'll see when an iPhone user has left you, dear Android
user, on read."

Subject: Re: Carriers are only slowly adapting to iOS 18 beta RCS integration
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Alan Browne wrote on Tue, 25 Jun 2024 16:33:26 -0400 :

> I said I use Signal to send encrypted
> messages (and files) to people using Android phones from my iPhone
> (actually from my Mac - quibble).
>
> Signal is a highly encrypted messenger. And that

While Signal is a fine program, I use PulseSMS which does NOT require a
privacy-invasive log in account to send/receive SMS/MMS to/from anyone.

However... with PulseSMS... <https://home.pulsesms.app/overview/> ...

If you want it to be encrypted, then PulseSMS also suffers from the loss of
privacy inherent in sending all your messages through an Internet login.

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Richmond wrote on Tue, 25 Jun 2024 16:55:09 +0100 :

> RCS can support end to end encryption.

Just to be clear about the privacy invasive design of the Apple encryption
implementation, you *must* log into Apple's Internet servers for it to
work; hence, Apple knows all the metadata surrounding all your messages.

To be just as clear, the current Android encryption implementations suffer
from the same huge privacy hole as does the iOS messaging, whether that's
WhatsApp or PulseSMS or Signal, etc., in that the moment you are logged
into a server on the Internet, your privacy is instant toast, by design.

However... I have no idea how RCS handles its encryption implementation.
Does RCS messaging also require the privacy-invasive server log in action?

Subject: Re: Carriers are only slowly adapting to iOS 18 beta RCS integration
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Am 27.06.24 um 02:36 schrieb Carlos E.R.:
> On 2024-06-27 00:33, Your Name wrote:
>> If RCS is so ubiquitous and important on "all" Android phones, then the
>> companies should already have RCS setup on their networks and the
>> handset the user has *should* be completely irrelevant. The fact that
>> these companies are now having to specifically now make changes to allow
>> RCS shows it wasn't actually as all-important or widespread usage as the
>> moron whiners and trolls claimed it was ... as usual. :-\
>
> You are not reading the situation correctly :-)
>
> The current field is controlled and tailored as the first comers
> negotiated. Google and friends. Now comes a new player, Apple,
> reluctantly, and wants to change the existing landscape to their liking.
> Well, they will have to negotiate hard to do that. If they can convince
> the existing players.
>
> Never mind, we will have RCS all around in a few years. It will come.
> Just be patient and eat pop corn as they play out :-)

RCS is is implemented and supported by almost all networks for years.
Fact is: Marketshare compared to the real (crossplatform-)messengers
almost nil. The arrival of Apple will not change that materially. Apple
is/will be supporting RCS for strategically different reasons.

--
"Manus manum lavat."

Subject	Author
Carriers are only slowly adapting to iOS 18 beta RCS integration	Harry S Robins
Re: Carriers are only slowly adapting to iOS 18 beta RCS integration	Jörg Lorenz
Re: Carriers are only slowly adapting to iOS 18 beta RCS integration	Alan Browne
Re: Carriers are only slowly adapting to iOS 18 beta RCS integration	Jörg Lorenz
Re: Carriers are only slowly adapting to iOS 18 beta RCS integration	Richmond
Re: Carriers are only slowly adapting to iOS 18 beta RCS integration	Jörg Lorenz
Re: Carriers are only slowly adapting to iOS 18 beta RCS integration	Alan Browne
Re: Carriers are only slowly adapting to iOS 18 beta RCS integration	Andrew
Re: Carriers are only slowly adapting to iOS 18 beta RCS integration	Alan Browne
Re: Carriers are only slowly adapting to iOS 18 beta RCS integration	Andrew
Re: Carriers are only slowly adapting to iOS 18 beta RCS integration	Newyana2
Re: Carriers are only slowly adapting to iOS 18 beta RCS integration	Jan K.
Re: Carriers are only slowly adapting to iOS 18 beta RCS integration	Jörg Lorenz
Re: Carriers are only slowly adapting to iOS 18 beta RCS integration	Jörg Lorenz
Re: Carriers are only slowly adapting to iOS 18 beta RCS integration	Andy Burns
Re: Carriers are only slowly adapting to iOS 18 beta RCS integration	Jörg Lorenz
Re: Carriers are only slowly adapting to iOS 18 beta RCS integration	Andy Burns
Re: Carriers are only slowly adapting to iOS 18 beta RCS integration	Andrew
Re: Carriers are only slowly adapting to iOS 18 beta RCS integration	Andy Burns
Re: Carriers are only slowly adapting to iOS 18 beta RCS integration	Andrew
Re: Carriers are only slowly adapting to iOS 18 beta RCS integration	Jörg Lorenz
Re: Carriers are only slowly adapting to iOS 18 beta RCS integration	Abandoned Trolley
Re: Carriers are only slowly adapting to iOS 18 beta RCS integration	Alan Browne
Re: Carriers are only slowly adapting to iOS 18 beta RCS integration	Andy Burns
Re: Carriers are only slowly adapting to iOS 18 beta RCS integration	Alan Browne
Re: Carriers are only slowly adapting to iOS 18 beta RCS integration	David Wade
Re: Carriers are only slowly adapting to iOS 18 beta RCS integration	Andy Burns
Re: Carriers are only slowly adapting to iOS 18 beta RCS integration	Alan Browne
Re: Carriers are only slowly adapting to iOS 18 beta RCS integration	Colour Sergeant Bourne
Re: Carriers are only slowly adapting to iOS 18 beta RCS integration	Alan Browne
Re: Carriers are only slowly adapting to iOS 18 beta RCS integration	Gelato
Re: Carriers are only slowly adapting to iOS 18 beta RCS integration	Jörg Lorenz
Re: Carriers are only slowly adapting to iOS 18 beta RCS integration	Alan Browne
Re: Carriers are only slowly adapting to iOS 18 beta RCS integration	Alan Browne
Re: Carriers are only slowly adapting to iOS 18 beta RCS integration	Jörg Lorenz
Re: Carriers are only slowly adapting to iOS 18 beta RCS integration	Alan Browne
Re: Carriers are only slowly adapting to iOS 18 beta RCS integration	Jörg Lorenz
Re: Carriers are only slowly adapting to iOS 18 beta RCS integration	Alan Browne
Re: Carriers are only slowly adapting to iOS 18 beta RCS integration	Jan K.
Re: Carriers are only slowly adapting to iOS 18 beta RCS integration	Jörg Lorenz
Re: Carriers are only slowly adapting to iOS 18 beta RCS integration	badgolferman
Re: Carriers are only slowly adapting to iOS 18 beta RCS integration	Jörg Lorenz
Re: Carriers are only slowly adapting to iOS 18 beta RCS integration	Kees Nuyt
Re: Carriers are only slowly adapting to iOS 18 beta RCS integration	Jan K.
Re: Carriers are only slowly adapting to iOS 18 beta RCS integration	Jörg Lorenz
Re: Carriers are only slowly adapting to iOS 18 beta RCS integration	Carlos E.R.
Re: Carriers are only slowly adapting to iOS 18 beta RCS integration	Your Name
Re: Carriers are only slowly adapting to iOS 18 beta RCS integration	Carlos E.R.
Re: Carriers are only slowly adapting to iOS 18 beta RCS integration	Jörg Lorenz
Re: Carriers are only slowly adapting to iOS 18 beta RCS integration	Roger
Re: Carriers are only slowly adapting to iOS 18 beta RCS integration	Jörg Lorenz
Re: Carriers are only slowly adapting to iOS 18 beta RCS integration	Carlos E.R.
Re: Carriers are only slowly adapting to iOS 18 beta RCS integration	Jörg Lorenz
Re: Carriers are only slowly adapting to iOS 18 beta RCS integration	Alan Browne
Re: Carriers are only slowly adapting to iOS 18 beta RCS integration	Abandoned Trolley
Re: Carriers are only slowly adapting to iOS 18 beta RCS integration	Arno Welzel
Re: Carriers are only slowly adapting to iOS 18 beta RCS integration	Abandoned Trolley
Re: Carriers are only slowly adapting to iOS 18 beta RCS integration	Alan Browne
Re: Carriers are only slowly adapting to iOS 18 beta RCS integration	Alan Browne
Re: Carriers are only slowly adapting to iOS 18 beta RCS integration	Abandoned Trolley
Re: Carriers are only slowly adapting to iOS 18 beta RCS integration	Alan Browne
Re: Carriers are only slowly adapting to iOS 18 beta RCS integration	Harry S Robins
Re: Carriers are only slowly adapting to iOS 18 beta RCS integration	Andy Burns
Re: Carriers are only slowly adapting to iOS 18 beta RCS integration	Arno Welzel
Re: Carriers are only slowly adapting to iOS 18 beta RCS integration	Andy Burns
Re: Carriers are only slowly adapting to iOS 18 beta RCS integration	Nick Cine
Re: Carriers are only slowly adapting to iOS 18 beta RCS integration	Andy Burns
Re: Carriers are only slowly adapting to iOS 18 beta RCS integration	Roger