> While Android has had scheduled messages for years, Apple finally
> added the ability for iOS to schedule messages in iOS 18.

Since Apple religious zealots have shown to understand nothing of Apple
products, allow me to be the first to inform you that yet again, Apple has
shown to be incapable of properly implementing this scheduled messaging.

Turns out, *Apple's implementation doesn't actually work!*
<https://www.wsj.com/tech/personal-tech/ios-18-ipados-18-iphone-apple-features-fall-2024-70d28f09>

Fancy that.
a. Apple is a decade behind Android in scheduled messaging functionality...
b. And then, when you look at what it does...
c. It doesn't even work!

Yet again, Apple proves to be incapable of writing even simple programs.
"This only works with iMessage, so only with fellow Apple users."

Note that Android scheduled messages works for everyone; not just Android
users or not just Apple user, showing Apple coders are high school kids.

Andrew wrote:

> Note that Android scheduled messages works for everyone;

Is it a useful feature? I haven't used it, if I received a "happy
birthday" text at 00:00:01 on my birthday it would hardly feel personal ...

Andy Burns wrote on Wed, 12 Jun 2024 06:26:18 +0100 :

>> Note that Android scheduled messages works for everyone;
>
> Is it a useful feature? I haven't used it, if I received a "happy
> birthday" text at 00:00:01 on my birthday it would hardly feel personal ..

Hi Andy,

Thanks for that question, as every feature serves a purpose for someone,
but at the same time, that capability may not be useful to many others.

If you have kids and grandkids, it's a very useful feature, for the reasons
that they don't wake up until later in the afternoon and they need to be
reminded to do things - and - this is key - they live off of SMS/MMS text!

Therefore, take a look at what I often use it for in this simple sequence:
<https://i.postimg.cc/bJZBFqxK/scheduledmessage.jpg>

Bear in mind that I've been scheduling messages for so long that even I was
surprisd that Apple's messaging didn't have this basic feature - until the
next release, and even then, it turns out it only works between iOS users
alone.

Which again proves the point Apple doesn't work outside the walled garden.

When my own kids were in college (some are still in grad school as we
type), I often use the scheduling to remind them to pay certain bills,
again, because college kids tend to live & breathe by SMS/MMS messaging.

In short, it's a great feature to be able to schedule messages, if you have
reasons to schedule those messages - where they become great reminders.

As you may recall, years ago, I tested every free adfree gsfree gsmfree
SMS/MMS app on Android and settled on the open source PulseSMS messaging
app as the best based on its rich feature set (which is far better than
Apple's messages). <https://home.pulsesms.app/overview/>

Given the Apple people are on this thread, and given they're always
ignorant of what Android can do, I should note that what PulseSMS does is
far more than the Apple messaging app ever did - including messaging on any
platform - which the Apple people think only exists on their iOS devices.

Unfortunately, the open source code was bought by MapleMedia, but the good
news is I have been using the Klinker last known good version for years,
without any issues or problems (on a variety of Android phones over time).

However, with the advent of RCS, and particularly with Apple finally
figuring out how to implement RCS on their iOS platform, I may need to look
for a non-Google RCS-capable MMS/SMS messaging app in the future, as my
great grandchild's parents send me cute baby videos every day.

Unfortunately, that household is a purely Apple home, which, as you're
quite well aware, don't work outside the walled garden, so we've been using
WhatsApp to allow that Apple household to send videos to the family.
iOS messaging stinks <https://i.postimg.cc/cLBNKJb7/fuzzy.jpg>
WA messaging is better <https://i.postimg.cc/QMGrqLb9/clear.jpg>

Hopefully, when Apple figures out how RCS works, things will improve.

Andrew wrote on Wed, 12 Jun 2024 06:12:43 -0000 (UTC) :

> If you have kids and grandkids, it's a very useful feature, for the reasons
> that they don't wake up until later in the afternoon and they need to be
> reminded to do things - and - this is key - they live off of SMS/MMS text!

Ooops. Wrong link. Here's the correct link to the example I just provided.
<https://i.postimg.cc/v86wXwtJ/scheduledmessage.jpg>

Note that this open-source messaging app can not only schedule messages,
but it can text from any device - which is something the Apple people think
only they have - but in reality - theirs only works inside the walled
garden.

In summary, it's great that the primitive iOS messaging can finally
schedule messages (for those who use that feature - as I do often).

However...

Like most things Apple, it doesn't actually work in the real world.
(It only works inside the walled garden.)

Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote at 05:26 this Wednesday (GMT):
> Andrew wrote:
>
>> Note that Android scheduled messages works for everyone;
>
> Is it a useful feature? I haven't used it, if I received a "happy
> birthday" text at 00:00:01 on my birthday it would hardly feel personal ...

I use stuff like schedule send on email sometimes, so I'm sure there's
some use for it.
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On 6/12/2024 6:50 AM, candycanearter07 wrote:
>>> Note that Android scheduled messages works for everyone;
>>
>> Is it a useful feature? I haven't used it, if I received a "happy
>> birthday" text at 00:00:01 on my birthday it would hardly feel personal ...
>
> I use stuff like schedule send on email sometimes, so I'm sure there's
> some use for it.

I use scheduled messages as kind of an alarm for others.

If I need an alarm for myself, I can add an alarm to my own phone.
But as am alarm for someone else, I add a scheduled sms/mms message.

It's especially useful when the message crosses over into time zones.

Enrico Papaloma wrote:

> I use scheduled messages as kind of an alarm for others.

OK, that's two takers for scheduling reminders to other people, nothing
that I would ever need ...

On 2024-06-12 09:47, Andy Burns wrote:
> Enrico Papaloma wrote:
>
>> I use scheduled messages as kind of an alarm for others.
>
> OK, that's two takers for scheduling reminders to other people, nothing
> that I would ever need ...
>

And which you could do with...

...Reminders!

On Wed, 12 Jun 2024 17:47:42 +0100, Andy Burns wrote:

> nothing that I would ever need

What if you're in the UK during the afternoon but it's the middle of the
night for your recipient? How do you send that text under that situation?

On 2024-06-12 19:47:35 +0000, Harry S Robins said:
> On Wed, 12 Jun 2024 17:47:42 +0100, Andy Burns wrote:
>>
>> nothing that I would ever need
>
> What if you're in the UK during the afternoon but it's the middle of the
> night for your recipient? How do you send that text under that situation?

My uncle simply sends them. It doesn't matter that it's the middle of
the night here. That's why my mother turns her phone's sound off (or
the phone itself) every night. Most people will be the same - they will
simply press send and not know nor bother with scheduling. What the
makers and developers forget is that most users are not techno-geeks,
they do not care about all these gimmicks and just do things the simple
way they always have.

On 2024-06-12 12:37, Enrico Papaloma wrote:
> On 6/12/2024 6:50 AM, candycanearter07 wrote:
>>>> Note that Android scheduled messages works for everyone;
>>>
>>> Is it a useful feature? I haven't used it, if I received a "happy
>>> birthday" text at 00:00:01 on my birthday it would hardly feel personal ...
>>
>> I use stuff like schedule send on email sometimes, so I'm sure there's
>> some use for it.
>
> I use scheduled messages as kind of an alarm for others.
>
> If I need an alarm for myself, I can add an alarm to my own phone.
> But as am alarm for someone else, I add a scheduled sms/mms message.
>
> It's especially useful when the message crosses over into time zones.

I think it's a feature I would use but not terribly often.

More likely to set a reminder to myself to send a message at some point
in the future. But I suppose the "fire and forget" nature of it might
be useful.

Hmm ... might be some neat pranks I could pull. Need to test that.

--
"It would be a measureless disaster if Russian barbarism overlaid
the culture and independence of the ancient States of Europe."
Winston Churchill

On 2024-06-12 13:34, Alan wrote:
> On 2024-06-12 09:47, Andy Burns wrote:
>> Enrico Papaloma wrote:
>>
>>> I use scheduled messages as kind of an alarm for others.
>>
>> OK, that's two takers for scheduling reminders to other people,
>> nothing that I would ever need ...
>>
>
> And which you could do with...
>
> ..Reminders!

Not really.
One action in reminders, then the actual send in another action.

This has a "fire and forget" appeal to it.

--
"It would be a measureless disaster if Russian barbarism overlaid
the culture and independence of the ancient States of Europe."
Winston Churchill

On 2024-06-12 15:47, Harry S Robins wrote:
> On Wed, 12 Jun 2024 17:47:42 +0100, Andy Burns wrote:
>
>> nothing that I would ever need
>
> What if you're in the UK during the afternoon but it's the middle of the
> night for your recipient? How do you send that text under that situation?

Does it matter? Not like the message isn't waiting for them if you send
it now and they see it when they rouse themselves.

Get plenty of e-mail and the odd message that way.

--
"It would be a measureless disaster if Russian barbarism overlaid
the culture and independence of the ancient States of Europe."
Winston Churchill

On 2024-06-12 14:32, Alan Browne wrote:
> On 2024-06-12 13:34, Alan wrote:
>> On 2024-06-12 09:47, Andy Burns wrote:
>>> Enrico Papaloma wrote:
>>>
>>>> I use scheduled messages as kind of an alarm for others.
>>>
>>> OK, that's two takers for scheduling reminders to other people,
>>> nothing that I would ever need ...
>>>
>>
>> And which you could do with...
>>
>> ..Reminders!
>
> Not really.
> One action in reminders, then the actual send in another action.
>
> This has a "fire and forget" appeal to it.
>

So... ...use Shortcuts:

<https://macpaw.com/how-to/schedule-text-message-iphone>

Alan Browne <singularity@blackhole.org> wrote:
> On 2024-06-12 12:37, Enrico Papaloma wrote:
>> On 6/12/2024 6:50 AM, candycanearter07 wrote:
>>>>> Note that Android scheduled messages works for everyone;
>>>>
>>>> Is it a useful feature? I haven't used it, if I received a "happy
>>>> birthday" text at 00:00:01 on my birthday it would hardly feel personal ...
>>>
>>> I use stuff like schedule send on email sometimes, so I'm sure there's
>>> some use for it.
>>
>> I use scheduled messages as kind of an alarm for others.
>>
>> If I need an alarm for myself, I can add an alarm to my own phone.
>> But as am alarm for someone else, I add a scheduled sms/mms message.
>>
>> It's especially useful when the message crosses over into time zones.
>
> I think it's a feature I would use but not terribly often.
>
> More likely to set a reminder to myself to send a message at some point
> in the future. But I suppose the "fire and forget" nature of it might
> be useful.
>
> Hmm ... might be some neat pranks I could pull. Need to test that.

I guess it depends on how the messages are "cached". If they're only stored
on your phone and then your phone is off or in airplane mode at the
scheduled time, then that is not very useful.

I regularly use schedule send for emails for when I'm working in the
evenings. Not sure it's something I'll use often for texts.

Harry S Robins <stanleyrobins@nothere.uk> wrote:
> On Wed, 12 Jun 2024 17:47:42 +0100, Andy Burns wrote:
>
>> nothing that I would ever need
>
> What if you're in the UK during the afternoon but it's the middle of the
> night for your recipient? How do you send that text under that situation?

That's what do not disturb is for.

On 2024-06-12 17:46, Alan wrote:
> On 2024-06-12 14:32, Alan Browne wrote:
>> On 2024-06-12 13:34, Alan wrote:
>>> On 2024-06-12 09:47, Andy Burns wrote:
>>>> Enrico Papaloma wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I use scheduled messages as kind of an alarm for others.
>>>>
>>>> OK, that's two takers for scheduling reminders to other people,
>>>> nothing that I would ever need ...
>>>>
>>>
>>> And which you could do with...
>>>
>>> ..Reminders!
>>
>> Not really.
>> One action in reminders, then the actual send in another action.
>>
>> This has a "fire and forget" appeal to it.
>>
>
> So... ...use Shortcuts:
>
> <https://macpaw.com/how-to/schedule-text-message-iphone>

Not worth the trouble.

--
"It would be a measureless disaster if Russian barbarism overlaid
the culture and independence of the ancient States of Europe."
Winston Churchill

On 2024-06-12 17:51, Chris wrote:
> Alan Browne <singularity@blackhole.org> wrote:

>> in the future. But I suppose the "fire and forget" nature of it might
>> be useful.
>>
>> Hmm ... might be some neat pranks I could pull. Need to test that.
>
> I guess it depends on how the messages are "cached". If they're only stored
> on your phone and then your phone is off or in airplane mode at the
> scheduled time, then that is not very useful.
>
> I regularly use schedule send for emails for when I'm working in the
> evenings. Not sure it's something I'll use often for texts.

Valid point that I'd put as almost edge case.

But it does make me wonder if the scheduled message is stored and sent
from the (say) phone, or if it is stored and sent from an Apple server.
Not sure if the keynote made that clear.

Easy enough to test. Send a delayed text, then turn off the phone for
the time that the message should be sent...

--
"It would be a measureless disaster if Russian barbarism overlaid
the culture and independence of the ancient States of Europe."
Winston Churchill

On 2024-06-12 15:06, Alan Browne wrote:
> On 2024-06-12 17:46, Alan wrote:
>> On 2024-06-12 14:32, Alan Browne wrote:
>>> On 2024-06-12 13:34, Alan wrote:
>>>> On 2024-06-12 09:47, Andy Burns wrote:
>>>>> Enrico Papaloma wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I use scheduled messages as kind of an alarm for others.
>>>>>
>>>>> OK, that's two takers for scheduling reminders to other people,
>>>>> nothing that I would ever need ...
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And which you could do with...
>>>>
>>>> ..Reminders!
>>>
>>> Not really.
>>> One action in reminders, then the actual send in another action.
>>>
>>> This has a "fire and forget" appeal to it.
>>>
>>
>> So... ...use Shortcuts:
>>
>> <https://macpaw.com/how-to/schedule-text-message-iphone>
>
> Not worth the trouble.
>
>

The point being that it's never been unavailable.

On 2024-06-12 21:31:09 +0000, Alan Browne said:
> On 2024-06-12 12:37, Enrico Papaloma wrote:
>> On 6/12/2024 6:50 AM, candycanearter07 wrote:
>>>>> Note that Android scheduled messages works for everyone;
>>>>
>>>> Is it a useful feature? I haven't used it, if I received a "happy
>>>> birthday" text at 00:00:01 on my birthday it would hardly feel personal ...
>>>
>>> I use stuff like schedule send on email sometimes, so I'm sure there's
>>> some use for it.
>>
>> I use scheduled messages as kind of an alarm for others.
>>
>> If I need an alarm for myself, I can add an alarm to my own phone.
>> But as am alarm for someone else, I add a scheduled sms/mms message.
>>
>> It's especially useful when the message crosses over into time zones.
>
> I think it's a feature I would use but not terribly often.
>
> More likely to set a reminder to myself to send a message at some point
> in the future. But I suppose the "fire and forget" nature of it might
> be useful.
>
> Hmm ... might be some neat pranks I could pull. Need to test that.

I can see it being business marketing departments using scheduled text
messages (e.g. a book release at 00:01), but they no doubt already use
a system via computers to do that rather than on an actual mobile phone.

Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
>> I use scheduled messages as kind of an alarm for others.
>
> OK, that's two takers for scheduling reminders to other people, nothing
> that I would ever need ...

For anyone who runs a business from their iPhone - or people who only
remember the important things they need to text while laying in bed at 3
a.m. - the new scheduling feature will be a much-welcomed addition. Beyond
simply making life easier, like when you want to text someone across time
zones without disturbing them, Apple's screenshot suggests you could also
use the feature to ensure you don't miss sending someone a birthday
greeting.

https://techcrunch.com/2024/06/11/at-last-apples-messages-app-will-support-rcs-and-scheduling-texts/

Enrico Papaloma <enrico@papaloma.net> wrote at 16:37 this Wednesday (GMT):
> On 6/12/2024 6:50 AM, candycanearter07 wrote:
>>>> Note that Android scheduled messages works for everyone;
>>>
>>> Is it a useful feature? I haven't used it, if I received a "happy
>>> birthday" text at 00:00:01 on my birthday it would hardly feel personal ...
>>
>> I use stuff like schedule send on email sometimes, so I'm sure there's
>> some use for it.
>
> I use scheduled messages as kind of an alarm for others.
>
> If I need an alarm for myself, I can add an alarm to my own phone.
> But as am alarm for someone else, I add a scheduled sms/mms message.
>
> It's especially useful when the message crosses over into time zones.

Right, I usually just use it so it doesn't look like I'm writing emails
at 1 in the morning.
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Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
> Andrew wrote on Wed, 12 Jun 2024 06:12:43 -0000 (UTC) :
>
>> If you have kids and grandkids, it's a very useful feature, for the reasons
>> that they don't wake up until later in the afternoon and they need to be
>> reminded to do things - and - this is key - they live off of SMS/MMS text!

I mean, SMS is explicitly asynchronous - there's no guarantee a text will
be delivered at any time - so the time you send something is meaningless.
Especially with kids.

> Ooops. Wrong link. Here's the correct link to the example I just provided.
> <https://i.postimg.cc/v86wXwtJ/scheduledmessage.jpg>

Does it still work if the phone is off/has no signal/in airplane mode?

Chris wrote on Thu, 13 Jun 2024 07:43:40 -0000 (UTC) :

>>
>>>> Since Apple religious zealots have shown to understand nothing of Apple
>>>> products
>>>
>>> Remember you're the person who both massively over-inflated the number of
>>> zero days in iOS AND didn't know basic geofencing functionality in iOS.
>>>
>>> Who's the one who knows nothing about Apple really?
>>
>> And yet I'm the one who explained
>
> Nope. All you do is post other people's articles that reinforce your own
> bias. In short, you're the definition of a troll.

Notice you Apple zealots hate facts, but you never provide any facts.
*All you do is deny every fact you hate about Apple products.*
Which... is a LOT of facts.

For example, note that it is I who provided the cite saying that Apple's
implementation of scheduled messaging in iOS 18, like most of Apple's
messaging, doesn't actually work in the real world. Surprise. Surprise.

According to this cite, it works only in the walled garden.
<https://www.wsj.com/tech/personal-tech/ios-18-ipados-18-iphone-apple-features-fall-2024-70d28f09>
"*This only works with iMessage, so only with fellow Apple users*."

Chris wrote on Thu, 13 Jun 2024 08:35:36 -0000 (UTC) :

> I mean, SMS is explicitly asynchronous - there's no guarantee a text will
> be delivered at any time - so the time you send something is meaningless.
> Especially with kids.

While technically that's true, how many times have you sent an SMS/MMS
message and had it NOT arrive within seconds of you sending it?

But, in reality, the problem with Apple's scheduled messaging
implementation is far worse than just the inherent delay in SMS/MMS because
it doesn't apparently even *work* outside the walled garden anyway.

At least that's what this cite from the WSJ rather clearly says:
<https://www.wsj.com/tech/personal-tech/ios-18-ipados-18-iphone-apple-features-fall-2024-70d28f09>
"*This only works with iMessage, so only with fellow Apple users*."

>> Ooops. Wrong link. Here's the correct link to the example I just provided.
>> <https://i.postimg.cc/v86wXwtJ/scheduledmessage.jpg>
>
> Does it still work if the phone is off/has no signal/in airplane mode?

Completely outside the topic of "scheduled messages", I hike often in
backcountry that has low cellular service where my experience is that any
queued up SMS messages get sent en masse when my phone enters a cellular
service area.

Back on the topic of scheduled messages though, based on the WSJ article
above saying it doesn't actually work in the real world (surprise!), I
suspect Apple isn't using the SMS/MMS system to send those scheduled
messages (since the walled garden isn't even close to the real world).

Given logging into Apple's walled garden is apparently required for
scheduled messages to work, we can't answer your question until we find out
WHERE the Apple scheduled messages are scheduled and eventually sent from.

*After logging into Apple's walled garden servers...*
*Are the scheduled messages kept on and sent from Apple's servers?*

I don't know.

But I doubt any of the Apple religious zealots will know either, as they
only know what Apple has advertised in glossy marketing for herd animals.