Report on a study
<https://arstechnica.com/science/2024/12/people-will-share-misinformation-that-sparks-moral-outrage/>
into why people are more likely to pass on false reports and rumours
rather than factual ones.

Of course, given how politically-charged the issue of what is “lies”
and “truth” can be, they chose to base the credibility (or not) of
news sources, not on their own judgement, but on a more objective
measure, of how often reports from those sources were fact-checked as
false.

What they found was that, often, the people spreading the false
stories knew they were false, but passed them on anyway, on the basis
of the degree of moral outrage they provoked. In other words, they
wanted to push people’s buttons. (I suppose this is the definition of
“populism”.)

And some politicians doing this are not shy about admitting as much:

Brady pointed to an example from the recent campaign, when a
reporter pushed J.D. Vance about false claims regarding immigrants
eating pets. “When the reporter pushed him, he implied that yes,
it was fabrication, but it was outrageous and spoke to the issues
his constituents were mad about,” Brady says. These experiments
show that this kind of dishonesty is not exclusive to politicians
running for office—people do this on social media all the time.

Wasn’t it Mark Twain who said that “a lie can spread halfway around
the world while the truth is still putting on its shoes”?

More importantly, why do experts spread misinformation? Take the “safe and
effective” lie about the COVID vax or the horse paste misinformation about
Ivermectin. Both spread by experts under government employ.

On Wed, 4 Dec 2024 06:13:45 -0000 (UTC), Oregonian Haruspex wrote:

> [proof of my point about misinformation]

*Sigh*

Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
> On Wed, 4 Dec 2024 06:13:45 -0000 (UTC), Oregonian Haruspex wrote:
>
>> [proof of my point about misinformation]
>
> *Sigh*
>

Le sigh *Reddit face* - you missed the point actually. If experts can lie,
with the official permission of, even urging of, governments, to get what
they want, everybody can. Experts can be drowned out so my will is
executed. And since the experts have been caught lying so frequently, so
boldly, their loss in credibility is my gain.

There is no going back, experts can’t regain their cache or authority.
They’re just another person on the Internet. The time to have reflected on
this was… decades ago. It’s far too late to complain about it now. I would
say it’s a lesson the experts should take to heart, but they’re obsolete
now. Experts and their shill minions did this, it’s audacious to complain
when everybody start realizing they can be experts too - just a claim is
enough. Europeans, Canadians, Chinese, and other third worlders will simply
pass laws making mal/mis/disinformation illegal. US will respond with more
government shills, but they’re… not sending their best. Nobody wants to be
a shill, so the cream of the crop will never enter the profession.

Le sigh… I guess it’s back to Reddit if you want government curated lies.

On Thu, 5 Dec 2024 06:06:14 -0000 (UTC), Oregonian Haruspex wrote:

> If experts can lie, with the official permission of, even urging of,
> governments, to get what they want, everybody can.

Who told you the experts are lying? Do you take the word of some random
Facebook/Xwitter loony (or local politician who believes them) over
somebody who has made a career out of studying the cause and treatment of
diseases? Do you find it easier to respond to someone who pushes your
buttons, rather than someone who tries to give you accurate explanations
that you cannot be bothered to expend the mental effort to try to
understand?

Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
> On Thu, 5 Dec 2024 06:06:14 -0000 (UTC), Oregonian Haruspex wrote:
>
>> If experts can lie, with the official permission of, even urging of,
>> governments, to get what they want, everybody can.
>
> Who told you the experts are lying? Do you take the word of some random
> Facebook/Xwitter loony (or local politician who believes them) over
> somebody who has made a career out of studying the cause and treatment of
> diseases? Do you find it easier to respond to someone who pushes your
> buttons, rather than someone who tries to give you accurate explanations
> that you cannot be bothered to expend the mental effort to try to
> understand?
>

You seem very offended. This huffy faux emotional reaction is just what I’d
expect from somebody from your shit outfit. Ukraine lost. Democrats lost.
Nannies lost. You lost.

Time to stop sulking and find a real job now. You have about six weeks
until you get shit canned. You can’t dominate the information battlespace,
you can only create more scorn and distrust. Slink away forever. I can tell
by your idiom the exact organization and even building you work in.

On Thu, 5 Dec 2024 07:39:19 -0000 (UTC), Oregonian Haruspex wrote:

> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 5 Dec 2024 06:06:14 -0000 (UTC), Oregonian Haruspex wrote:
>>
>>> If experts can lie, with the official permission of, even urging of,
>>> governments, to get what they want, everybody can.
>>
>> Who told you the experts are lying? Do you take the word of some random
>> Facebook/Xwitter loony (or local politician who believes them) over
>> somebody who has made a career out of studying the cause and treatment
>> of diseases? Do you find it easier to respond to someone who pushes
>> your buttons, rather than someone who tries to give you accurate
>> explanations that you cannot be bothered to expend the mental effort to
>> try to understand?
>>
> You seem very offended.

Projecting? I merely ask questions.

Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
> On Thu, 5 Dec 2024 07:39:19 -0000 (UTC), Oregonian Haruspex wrote:
>
>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 5 Dec 2024 06:06:14 -0000 (UTC), Oregonian Haruspex wrote:
>>>
>>>> If experts can lie, with the official permission of, even urging of,
>>>> governments, to get what they want, everybody can.
>>>
>>> Who told you the experts are lying? Do you take the word of some random
>>> Facebook/Xwitter loony (or local politician who believes them) over
>>> somebody who has made a career out of studying the cause and treatment
>>> of diseases? Do you find it easier to respond to someone who pushes
>>> your buttons, rather than someone who tries to give you accurate
>>> explanations that you cannot be bothered to expend the mental effort to
>>> try to understand?
>>>
>> You seem very offended.
>
> Projecting? I merely ask questions.
>

You need a new script, Joan Donovan has been disgraced. But you still use
her tired old methods anyway. It’s why you’re doomed to failure. Anyway
good luck with the job search. But let me be crystal clear - if you lie and
claim you were in cyber, nobody will believe you. Have the courage to put
your role as ‘shill.’ Honesty doesn’t come naturally for your kind, believe
me I know. But when you break down in tears when confronted with a
terminal, they’ll know you lied.

Tah tah! *plonk*

On Thu, 5 Dec 2024 07:59:43 -0000 (UTC), Oregonian Haruspex wrote:

> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 5 Dec 2024 07:39:19 -0000 (UTC), Oregonian Haruspex wrote:
>>
>>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 5 Dec 2024 06:06:14 -0000 (UTC), Oregonian Haruspex wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> If experts can lie, with the official permission of, even urging of,
>>>>> governments, to get what they want, everybody can.
>>>>
>>>> Who told you the experts are lying? Do you take the word of some
>>>> random Facebook/Xwitter loony (or local politician who believes them)
>>>> over somebody who has made a career out of studying the cause and
>>>> treatment of diseases? Do you find it easier to respond to someone
>>>> who pushes your buttons, rather than someone who tries to give you
>>>> accurate explanations that you cannot be bothered to expend the
>>>> mental effort to try to understand?
>>>>
>>> You seem very offended.
>>
>> Projecting? I merely ask questions.
>>
> You need a new script ...

First you tried to say I was “offended”, then you betray the signs that
you yourself are the one offended ... projecting, exactly as I said.

Pro Internet tip: if you have to start resorting to an ad-hominem
smokescreen to distract from the discussion at hand, that’s a sign you’ve
run out of logical arguments to defend your position.

Oregonian Haruspex <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> (((blablabla)))
> terminal
> (((blablabla)))

Wow! A single lonely word is on topic.

--
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On 2024-12-05, Oregonian Haruspex <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>> On Wed, 4 Dec 2024 06:13:45 -0000 (UTC), Oregonian Haruspex wrote:
>>
>>> [proof of my point about misinformation]
>>
>> *Sigh*
>>
>
> ..... And since the experts have been caught lying so frequently, so
> boldly, their loss in credibility is my gain.

Oh boy. Care to quantify ".. so frequently". Some experts have lied does
not equate with experts lying frequently. And which experts are you
talking about, the expert doctors that have given us unprecedented good
health and long lives over the past 100 years? The other experts that
have given us all the technology that we use so casually to write here,
or get about our modern daily lives?

"Experts" are people, the odd ones fail to meet standards just as you
are doing in your thinking here. Some people fail to see the forest
because the trees get in the way!

On Sun, 8 Dec 2024 11:16:48 -0000 (UTC), Jim Jackson wrote:

> On 2024-12-05, Oregonian Haruspex <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> ..... And since the experts have been caught lying so frequently, so
>> boldly, their loss in credibility is my gain.
>
> Oh boy. Care to quantify ".. so frequently". Some experts have lied does
> not equate with experts lying frequently.

And how was it judged that they were “lying”? Because some self-serving
politician or online fringe raving loony whom you (undeservedly) trust
said so?

On 2024-12-08, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
> On Sun, 8 Dec 2024 11:16:48 -0000 (UTC), Jim Jackson wrote:
>
>> On 2024-12-05, Oregonian Haruspex <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> ..... And since the experts have been caught lying so frequently, so
>>> boldly, their loss in credibility is my gain.
>>
>> Oh boy. Care to quantify ".. so frequently". Some experts have lied does
>> not equate with experts lying frequently.
>
> And how was it judged that they were ???lying???? Because some self-serving
> politician or online fringe raving loony whom you (undeservedly) trust
> said so?

I sincerely hope the "you" above refers to the idiot Oregonian!

On Sun, 8 Dec 2024 21:53:41 -0000 (UTC), Jim Jackson wrote:

> I sincerely hope the "you" above refers to the idiot Oregonian!

Yeah, sorry, just trying to keep my pronouns unambiguous. ;)

Jim Jackson wrote:
> On 2024-12-05, Oregonian Haruspex <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>>> On Wed, 4 Dec 2024 06:13:45 -0000 (UTC), Oregonian Haruspex wrote:
>>>
>>>> [proof of my point about misinformation]
>>>
>>> *Sigh*
>>>
>>
>> ..... And since the experts have been caught lying so frequently, so
>> boldly, their loss in credibility is my gain.
>
> Oh boy. Care to quantify ".. so frequently". Some experts have lied does
> not equate with experts lying frequently. And which experts are you
> talking about, the expert doctors that have given us unprecedented good
> health and long lives

ROTFLMAO! Have you checked the obesity rate lately? LOL!

On 2024-12-09, Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
> Jim Jackson wrote:
>> On 2024-12-05, Oregonian Haruspex <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 4 Dec 2024 06:13:45 -0000 (UTC), Oregonian Haruspex wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> [proof of my point about misinformation]
>>>>
>>>> *Sigh*
>>>>
>>>
>>> ..... And since the experts have been caught lying so frequently, so
>>> boldly, their loss in credibility is my gain.
>>
>> Oh boy. Care to quantify ".. so frequently". Some experts have lied does
>> not equate with experts lying frequently. And which experts are you
>> talking about, the expert doctors that have given us unprecedented good
>> health and long lives
>
> ROTFLMAO! Have you checked the obesity rate lately? LOL!

Yes, concerning. But despite that, life expectancy is still way way way
above what it was 100 years ago. Another example of not seeing the wood
for the trees.

Jim Jackson <jj@franjam.org.uk> wrote:

> On 2024-12-09, Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
>> ROTFLMAO! Have you checked the obesity rate lately? LOL!
>
> Yes, concerning. But despite that, life expectancy is still way way way
> above what it was 100 years ago. Another example of not seeing the wood
> for the trees.

I'm very curious about the next episodes of my favourite horror show:

Coming soon: Junior + H5N1 + Raw Milk

--
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David Cross Is Starting To Regret His Vote for Trump...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1wkqZIJOAQ

yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> writes:

> I'm very curious about the next episodes of my favourite horror show:
>
> Coming soon: Junior + H5N1 + Raw Milk

It's an idea for a new board game! In one box, cards with quotations
of things said publicly by TFG and his proposed
cabinet/dept-heads/honchos. In another box, cards with anticipatable
problems/crises in economics, public health, international relations
etc.

Player draws one card from each, then proposes a way to apply the
former to the latter. E.g.

Card 1: Junior says make raw milk available everywhere

Card 2: China invades Taiwan

Proposed solution:

Bomb Beijing using infected American dairy cows [42] instead
of explosives/incendiaries, thus purging the herd and keeping
raw milk safe while distracting Xi from military adventure.

[42] Cf. Monty Python and the Holy Grail.

--
Mike Spencer Nova Scotia, Canada

On 2024-12-09, yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> wrote:
> Jim Jackson <jj@franjam.org.uk> wrote:
>
>> On 2024-12-09, Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
>>> ROTFLMAO! Have you checked the obesity rate lately? LOL!
>>
>> Yes, concerning. But despite that, life expectancy is still way way way
>> above what it was 100 years ago. Another example of not seeing the wood
>> for the trees.
>
> I'm very curious about the next episodes of my favourite horror show:
>
> Coming soon: Junior + H5N1 + Raw Milk

Sorry that reference has gone way over my head. Is this something
specific to one's home country?

Jim Jackson wrote:
> On 2024-12-09, Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
>> Jim Jackson wrote:
>>> On 2024-12-05, Oregonian Haruspex <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 4 Dec 2024 06:13:45 -0000 (UTC), Oregonian Haruspex wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> [proof of my point about misinformation]
>>>>>
>>>>> *Sigh*
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ..... And since the experts have been caught lying so frequently, so
>>>> boldly, their loss in credibility is my gain.
>>>
>>> Oh boy. Care to quantify ".. so frequently". Some experts have lied does
>>> not equate with experts lying frequently. And which experts are you
>>> talking about, the expert doctors that have given us unprecedented good
>>> health and long lives
>>
>> ROTFLMAO! Have you checked the obesity rate lately? LOL!
>
> Yes, concerning. But despite that, life expectancy is still way way way
> above what it was 100 years ago. Another example of not seeing the wood
> for the trees.
>

Listening to the so-called "experts" is WHY obesity and comorbidities
has increased.

Jim Jackson <jj@franjam.org.uk> wrote:

> On 2024-12-09, yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> wrote:

>> I'm very curious about the next episodes of my favourite horror show:
>>
>> Coming soon: Junior + H5N1 + Raw Milk
>
> Sorry that reference has gone way over my head. Is this something
> specific to one's home country?

Kind of.

Ask Marjory[0] (the all knowing trash heap) for "rfk raw milk". Adding
antivaxxer, may bring up even more.

____________

[0]: Fraggle Rock - I've Seen Troubles
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZAjCrl5zPg>

--
I do not bite, I just want to play.

Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:

> yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> writes:
>
>> I'm very curious about the next episodes of my favourite horror show:
>>
>> Coming soon: Junior + H5N1 + Raw Milk
>
> It's an idea for a new board game! In one box, cards with quotations
> of things said publicly by TFG and his proposed
> cabinet/dept-heads/honchos. In another box, cards with anticipatable
> problems/crises in economics, public health, international relations
> etc.
>
> Player draws one card from each, then proposes a way to apply the
> former to the latter. E.g.
>
> Card 1: Junior says make raw milk available everywhere
>
> Card 2: China invades Taiwan
>
> Proposed solution:
>
> Bomb Beijing using infected American dairy cows [42] instead
> of explosives/incendiaries, thus purging the herd and keeping
> raw milk safe while distracting Xi from military adventure.
>
>
> [42] Cf. Monty Python and the Holy Grail.

Iconic!

The idea for such a game is nice, but I don't think a clan so heavy
invested in XIna will ever torpedo their own cash flow. To achieve the
fascination of maximum horror, such a game only would need to be
realistic[0].

And MAGA seems absolutely fine with that and is buying all those
devotional objects make in XIna. But sure one only can see the nose of
the swimming Ursus Maritimus.

____________

[0]: <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8Kyi0WNg40>

--
3. Hitchhiker 1: (25) "The point is, you see," said Ford, "that there
is no point in driving yourself mad trying to stop yourself going mad.
You might just as well give in and save your sanity for later."

On 2024-12-09, Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
> Jim Jackson wrote:
>> On 2024-12-09, Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
>>> Jim Jackson wrote:
>>>> On 2024-12-05, Oregonian Haruspex <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 4 Dec 2024 06:13:45 -0000 (UTC), Oregonian Haruspex wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [proof of my point about misinformation]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Sigh*
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ..... And since the experts have been caught lying so frequently, so
>>>>> boldly, their loss in credibility is my gain.
>>>>
>>>> Oh boy. Care to quantify ".. so frequently". Some experts have lied does
>>>> not equate with experts lying frequently. And which experts are you
>>>> talking about, the expert doctors that have given us unprecedented good
>>>> health and long lives
>>>
>>> ROTFLMAO! Have you checked the obesity rate lately? LOL!
>>
>> Yes, concerning. But despite that, life expectancy is still way way way
>> above what it was 100 years ago. Another example of not seeing the wood
>> for the trees.
>>
>
> Listening to the so-called "experts" is WHY obesity and comorbidities
> has increased.

Most health practioners advise a diet and lifestyle that aims to prevent
obesity - at least in my world. In yours things may be different.

In article <slrnvlgbl3.3vn.jj@iridium.wf32df>,
Jim Jackson <jj@franjam.org.uk> wrote:
>Most health practioners advise a diet and lifestyle that aims to prevent
>obesity - at least in my world. In yours things may be different.

Here, they tend to advocate a low-fat, carb-heavy diet. It's the exact
opposite of healthy, but (1) carbs are cheap for Big Food to produce and (2)
our so-called "health care" system is more about drumming up repeat business
for itself and for Big Pharma than actually keeping people in good health.
After all, if you have no ongoing need to keep seeing your doctor, there's
no money being extracted from your wallet for the purpose.

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On Tue, 10 Dec 2024 16:34:28 GMT, Scott Alfter wrote:

> Here, they tend to advocate a low-fat, carb-heavy diet.

Who the hell ... !? No way any health professional would recommend such a
thing. Most of the body fat buildup comes from consuming, not fat, but
carbs.