Sylvia Else wrote:
> On 14-Oct-24 11:35 am, % wrote:
>> Sylvia Else wrote:
>>> On 11-Oct-24 10:17 pm, Sn!pe wrote:
>>>> My pet rock Gordon asserts that every networked device has a backdoor.
>>>> Therefore, anything viewable in clear on that device is insecure and
>>>> the
>>>> quality of message encryption is moot.
>>>>
>>>
>>> An initial question is what exactly is meant by "backdoor". Any
>>> networked device that is capable of remote update by the vendor can
>>> presumably be updated by the vendor to do anything that any device on
>>> your network can do. But this does not imply that anyone else can do
>>> that. Of course it does mean that you security depends on the
>>> security of the vendor, which is an unknown quantity. This is partly
>>> why the few remotely updatable devices that I do own are fire-walled
>>> off from the rest of my internal network.
>>>
>>> Few networked devices accept incoming connections, for the simple
>>> reason that they're unlikely to get past a gateway router. Most work
>>> by making outgoing connections to the vendor's server. The better
>>> implementations require an authenticated server certificate, which
>>> makes impersonation of the vendor pretty much impossible. Without a
>>> certificate the intending intruder may engage in something like a DNS
>>> cache poisoning attack, but they have become more difficult over the
>>> years.
>>>
>>> If one is to worry about back-doors, the main vulnerability is the
>>> router itself, and this has indeed been a problem in the past,
>>> especially where the ISP has the ability to update firmware or change
>>> settings, because now one is dependent on the security of the ISP,
>>> which is not always been up to the task.
>>>
>>> Commercially supplied routers have a bad record of vulnerabilities. I
>>> use a small single board computer as a gateway instead.
>>>
>>> Sylvia.
>>>
>> i have nothing to hide so i don't do anything
>
> Not even information that could be used in identity theft?
>
> Sylvia.

nothing

On Mon, 14 Oct 2024 21:21:41 +0100, Sn!pe wrote:

> candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid>
> wrote:
>
>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote at 06:18 this Monday (GMT):
>>>
>>> On Fri, 11 Oct 2024 15:17:35 +0100, Sn!pe wrote:
>>>
>>>> My pet rock Gordon asserts that every networked device has a
>>>> backdoor.
>>>
>>> Is Gordon a networked device? How did it communicate that message to
>>> you?
>>
>> A networked rock?
>
> Gordon is a primary node on the Extranet but he and I have a direct P2P
> telepathic link for a shorter ping.

So he is a networked device. And according to his statement, every
networked device has a backdoor. Therefore Gordon has a backdoor.

Is Gordon still to be trusted?

snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) wrote:

>User-Agent: MacSOUP/2.8.6b1 (ed136d9b90) (Mac OS 10.13.6)
>
>Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) wrote:
>> >candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid>
>> >wrote:
>> >> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote at 06:18 this Monday (GMT):
>> >> > On Fri, 11 Oct 2024 15:17:35 +0100, Sn!pe wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> My pet rock Gordon asserts that every networked device has a backdoor.
>> >> >
>> >> > Is Gordon a networked device? How did it communicate that message to you?
>> >>
>> >> A networked rock?
>> >
>> >Gordon is a primary node on the Extranet but he and I have a direct P2P
>> >telepathic link for a shorter ping.
>>
>> So, you hated on me for liking trans women, but you're talking about a
>> rock as if it's alive. OK.
>
>I don't know you well enough to hate you but I will say this:
>Gordon talks more sense than you do. [fu2: adn]

OK, Mac user.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

> On Mon, 14 Oct 2024 21:21:41 +0100, Sn!pe wrote:
>
> > candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote at 06:18 this Monday (GMT):
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, 11 Oct 2024 15:17:35 +0100, Sn!pe wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> My pet rock Gordon asserts that every networked device has a
> >>>> backdoor.
> >>>
> >>> Is Gordon a networked device? How did it communicate that message to
> >>> you?
> >>
> >> A networked rock?
> >
> > Gordon is a primary node on the Extranet but he and I have
> > a direct P2P telepathic link for a shorter ping.
>
> So he is a networked device. And according to his statement, every
> networked device has a backdoor. Therefore Gordon has a backdoor.
>
> Is Gordon still to be trusted?

Of course, he's as solid as a rock; not that we worry about lack
of privacy. As everybody should know, privacy is utterly dead
and security is naught but an illusion.

In any case, life is just a dream. (# sh-boom, sh-boom)

--
^Ï^. Sn!pe, VC, PTB, FIBS

My pet rock Gordon eagerly awaits the expected socialist paradise.

Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:

> OK, Mac user.

<giggle> ≈:o)

--
^Ï^. Sn!pe, VC, PTB, FIBS

My pet rock Gordon eagerly awaits the expected socialist paradise.

snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) wrote:

>> OK, Mac user.
>
><giggle> ?:o)

Seriously, though, you right-brained weirdoes can keep your overpriced
goofyware. ARM computers in the "PC" realm are now emerging, Apple
was first out of the gate, and I credit them for that, but I could put
openSUSE on a laptop, not made by Apple, and laugh at the suckers who
rely on them.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

Sn!pe <snipeco.1@gmail.com> wrote:
>Of course, he's as solid as a rock; not that we worry about lack
>of privacy. As everybody should know, privacy is utterly dead
>and security is naught but an illusion.

And a rock feels no pain. And an island never cries.
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote:

> Sn!pe <snipeco.1@gmail.com> wrote:
> >Of course, he's as solid as a rock; not that we worry about lack
> >of privacy. As everybody should know, privacy is utterly dead
> >and security is naught but an illusion.
> >
>
> And a rock feels no pain. And an island never cries.
> --scott

True, that, although Gordon is quite empathetic. To expect
sympathy is going a bit far though, he's seen it all before.
Anyway, he is my rock. ≈:o)

--
^Ï^. Sn!pe, VC, PTB, FIBS

My pet rock Gordon eagerly awaits the expected socialist paradise.

Sn!pe <snipeco.2@gmail.com> wrote at 01:03 this Wednesday (GMT):
> Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote:
>
>> Sn!pe <snipeco.1@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >Of course, he's as solid as a rock; not that we worry about lack
>> >of privacy. As everybody should know, privacy is utterly dead
>> >and security is naught but an illusion.
>> >
>>
>> And a rock feels no pain. And an island never cries.
>> --scott
>
> True, that, although Gordon is quite empathetic. To expect
> sympathy is going a bit far though, he's seen it all before.
> Anyway, he is my rock. ≈:o)

Pet rocks are always cute :)
--
user <candycane> is generated from /dev/urandom

On Wed, 16 Oct 2024 18:10:04 -0000 (UTC)
candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:

> Sn!pe <snipeco.2@gmail.com> wrote at 01:03 this Wednesday (GMT):
> > Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Sn!pe <snipeco.1@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >Of course, he's as solid as a rock; not that we worry about lack
> >> >of privacy. As everybody should know, privacy is utterly dead
> >> >and security is naught but an illusion.
> >> >
> >>
> >> And a rock feels no pain. And an island never cries.
> >> --scott
> >
> > True, that, although Gordon is quite empathetic. To expect
> > sympathy is going a bit far though, he's seen it all before.
> > Anyway, he is my rock. ≈:o)
>
>
> Pet rocks are always cute :)

Petroc is a popular name is some areas.

--
Bah, and indeed Humbug.