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* Google Cache finally goneComputer Nerd Kev
`* Re: Google Cache finally goneRich
 `* Re: Google Cache finally goneComputer Nerd Kev
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  |`* Re: Google Cache finally gonecandycanearter07
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  `* Re: Google Cache finally goneD
   `- Re: Google Cache finally goneLawrence D'Oliveiro

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Subject: Google Cache finally gone
From: Computer Nerd Kev
Newsgroups: comp.misc
Organization: Ausics - https://newsgroups.ausics.net
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2024 22:21 UTC
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From: not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev)
Subject: Google Cache finally gone
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I tried to use it to bypass a JS-wall on a news article today,
where the Wayback Machine only saved an "enable JS" page as well,
but it's finally been disabled. Links like this just go to an empty
search results page:
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://www.example.com/

Apparantly it only just happened, though they took away the cache
links in search results a while ago so the writing's been on the
wall:
https://www.seroundtable.com/google-cache-dead-38112.html

Damn, I've been using it more and more as JS-walls have become more
frequent and prevent me reading pages in lightweight web browsers
without JS support. In fact it's about the only thing I use Google
for!

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Subject: Re: Google Cache finally gone
From: Rich
Newsgroups: comp.misc
Organization: A noiseless patient Spider
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2024 03:01 UTC
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Subject: Re: Google Cache finally gone
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Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote:
> Damn, I've been using it more and more as JS-walls have become more
> frequent and prevent me reading pages in lightweight web browsers
> without JS support. In fact it's about the only thing I use Google
> for!

This one works pretty well for /most/ paywalls: https://archive.is/

Subject: Re: Google Cache finally gone
From: Computer Nerd Kev
Newsgroups: comp.misc
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Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2024 06:36 UTC
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Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote:
> Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote:
>> Damn, I've been using it more and more as JS-walls have become more
>> frequent and prevent me reading pages in lightweight web browsers
>> without JS support. In fact it's about the only thing I use Google
>> for!
>
> This one works pretty well for /most/ paywalls: https://archive.is/

Thanks, yes that has the article. It wasn't actually behind a
paywall, but using one of these cache services like Cloudflare that
can block access from browsers without Javascript saying something
like "Enable Javascript and cookies to continue". I thought
"JS-wall" was a good term for it since the effect is like a paywal,
only they demand you run their JS rather than demand payment.

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Subject: Re: Google Cache finally gone
From: Rich
Newsgroups: comp.misc
Organization: A noiseless patient Spider
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2024 13:10 UTC
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Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote:
> Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote:
>> Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote:
>>> Damn, I've been using it more and more as JS-walls have become more
>>> frequent and prevent me reading pages in lightweight web browsers
>>> without JS support. In fact it's about the only thing I use Google
>>> for!
>>
>> This one works pretty well for /most/ paywalls: https://archive.is/
>
> Thanks, yes that has the article. It wasn't actually behind a
> paywall, but using one of these cache services like Cloudflare that
> can block access from browsers without Javascript saying something
> like "Enable Javascript and cookies to continue". I thought
> "JS-wall" was a good term for it since the effect is like a paywal,
> only they demand you run their JS rather than demand payment.

Ah, those. The term you are searching for is "capatcha" [1], at least
in the 'cloudfare' case. They are, supposedly, to prevent bots from
scraping/DDOSing the site. However, an awful lot of sites add them
either because they decide to "go cloudfare" (in a belief they are big
and popular enough to justify such) or simply because the web devs are
idiots that just "follow the herd" and because they see caapatcha's
else where, they add one here.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAPTCHA

Subject: Re: Google Cache finally gone
From: candycanearter07
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Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2024 13:40 UTC
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Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote at 13:10 this Wednesday (GMT):
> Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote:
>> Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote:
>>> Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote:
>>>> Damn, I've been using it more and more as JS-walls have become more
>>>> frequent and prevent me reading pages in lightweight web browsers
>>>> without JS support. In fact it's about the only thing I use Google
>>>> for!
>>>
>>> This one works pretty well for /most/ paywalls: https://archive.is/
>>
>> Thanks, yes that has the article. It wasn't actually behind a
>> paywall, but using one of these cache services like Cloudflare that
>> can block access from browsers without Javascript saying something
>> like "Enable Javascript and cookies to continue". I thought
>> "JS-wall" was a good term for it since the effect is like a paywal,
>> only they demand you run their JS rather than demand payment.
>
> Ah, those. The term you are searching for is "capatcha" [1], at least
> in the 'cloudfare' case. They are, supposedly, to prevent bots from
> scraping/DDOSing the site. However, an awful lot of sites add them
> either because they decide to "go cloudfare" (in a belief they are big
> and popular enough to justify such) or simply because the web devs are
> idiots that just "follow the herd" and because they see caapatcha's
> else where, they add one here.
>
>
> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAPTCHA

Cloudflare captchas are very annoying, it completely broke a webscraping
script I used :(
Also I want to use NoScript
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Subject: Re: Google Cache finally gone
From: Rich
Newsgroups: comp.misc
Organization: A noiseless patient Spider
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2024 13:51 UTC
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Subject: Re: Google Cache finally gone
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candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
> Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote at 13:10 this Wednesday (GMT):
>> Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote:
>>> Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote:
>>>> Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> Damn, I've been using it more and more as JS-walls have become more
>>>>> frequent and prevent me reading pages in lightweight web browsers
>>>>> without JS support. In fact it's about the only thing I use Google
>>>>> for!
>>>>
>>>> This one works pretty well for /most/ paywalls: https://archive.is/
>>>
>>> Thanks, yes that has the article. It wasn't actually behind a
>>> paywall, but using one of these cache services like Cloudflare that
>>> can block access from browsers without Javascript saying something
>>> like "Enable Javascript and cookies to continue". I thought
>>> "JS-wall" was a good term for it since the effect is like a paywal,
>>> only they demand you run their JS rather than demand payment.
>>
>> Ah, those. The term you are searching for is "capatcha" [1], at least
>> in the 'cloudfare' case. They are, supposedly, to prevent bots from
>> scraping/DDOSing the site. However, an awful lot of sites add them
>> either because they decide to "go cloudfare" (in a belief they are big
>> and popular enough to justify such) or simply because the web devs are
>> idiots that just "follow the herd" and because they see caapatcha's
>> else where, they add one here.
>>
>>
>> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAPTCHA
>
>
> Cloudflare captchas are very annoying, it completely broke a
> webscraping script I used :(

Which is, actually, the entire *point* of a captcha, to stop web
scrapers.

> Also I want to use NoScript

Then go ahead and do so. But for certian sites you want to actually
use, you'll have to enable enough JS to get at least the minimum
workinng. My NoScript setup has lots of exceptions for the sites I
need to use (bank, etc.) that won't work otherwise without some of the
JS turned on (as much as I'd prefer they worked with no JS, I can't
convince them of that fact when 99.8% of their clients run browsers
with JS turned on at all times).

Subject: Re: Google Cache finally gone
From: D
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On 25 Sep 2024 16:36:15 +1000, Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote:
>Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote:
>> Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote:
>>> Damn, I've been using it more and more as JS-walls have become more
>>> frequent and prevent me reading pages in lightweight web browsers
>>> without JS support. In fact it's about the only thing I use Google
>>> for!
>>
>> This one works pretty well for /most/ paywalls: https://archive.is/
>
>Thanks, yes that has the article. It wasn't actually behind a
>paywall, but using one of these cache services like Cloudflare that
>can block access from browsers without Javascript saying something
>like "Enable Javascript and cookies to continue". I thought
>"JS-wall" was a good term for it since the effect is like a paywal,
>only they demand you run their JS rather than demand payment.

recommend testing "your news article" in search engines, e.g.:

(using Tor Browser 13.5.4)
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=your+news+article
>...
>https://www.nytimes.com/
>The New York Times - Breaking News, US News, World News and Videos
>Live news, investigations, opinion, photos and video by the journalists
>of The New York Times from more than 150 countries around the world.
>Subscribe for coverage of U.S. and international news ...
>...
(using Tor Browser 13.5.4)
https://www.google.com/search?q=your+news+article
>...
>https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi= .................
>https://www.londondaily.news/submit-your-news-article/ ................
>Submit your news article
>Pitch your article to us using the form below and if it fits our
>criteria we will publish it for free on the LDN platform to our
>growing readership of over ...
>...

etcetera...then test some search result links to see if they'll open
in whatever browser(s) you may be using (usually some links do work)

if "your news article" is mainstream (e.g. politics "breaking news"),
then odds are many dozens of different websites will be carrying the
same story and in many languages, hence point of view (two sides of
the same coin), protagonists and antagonists ... they're all united
(for every action, there is an equal and opposite action altogether)

Subject: Re: Google Cache finally gone
From: candycanearter07
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Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote at 13:51 this Wednesday (GMT):
> candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
>> Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote at 13:10 this Wednesday (GMT):
>>> Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote:
>>>> Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>> Damn, I've been using it more and more as JS-walls have become more
>>>>>> frequent and prevent me reading pages in lightweight web browsers
>>>>>> without JS support. In fact it's about the only thing I use Google
>>>>>> for!
>>>>>
>>>>> This one works pretty well for /most/ paywalls: https://archive.is/
>>>>
>>>> Thanks, yes that has the article. It wasn't actually behind a
>>>> paywall, but using one of these cache services like Cloudflare that
>>>> can block access from browsers without Javascript saying something
>>>> like "Enable Javascript and cookies to continue". I thought
>>>> "JS-wall" was a good term for it since the effect is like a paywal,
>>>> only they demand you run their JS rather than demand payment.
>>>
>>> Ah, those. The term you are searching for is "capatcha" [1], at least
>>> in the 'cloudfare' case. They are, supposedly, to prevent bots from
>>> scraping/DDOSing the site. However, an awful lot of sites add them
>>> either because they decide to "go cloudfare" (in a belief they are big
>>> and popular enough to justify such) or simply because the web devs are
>>> idiots that just "follow the herd" and because they see caapatcha's
>>> else where, they add one here.
>>>
>>>
>>> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAPTCHA
>>
>>
>> Cloudflare captchas are very annoying, it completely broke a
>> webscraping script I used :(
>
> Which is, actually, the entire *point* of a captcha, to stop web
> scrapers.

Yeah, but it's still annoying :( especially since theres no official api

>> Also I want to use NoScript
>
> Then go ahead and do so. But for certian sites you want to actually
> use, you'll have to enable enough JS to get at least the minimum
> workinng. My NoScript setup has lots of exceptions for the sites I
> need to use (bank, etc.) that won't work otherwise without some of the
> JS turned on (as much as I'd prefer they worked with no JS, I can't
> convince them of that fact when 99.8% of their clients run browsers
> with JS turned on at all times).

Yeah, but it's still annoying..
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Subject: Re: Google Cache finally gone
From: Lawrence D'Oliv
Newsgroups: comp.misc
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On Wed, 25 Sep 2024 15:04:21 +0100, D wrote:

> ... (two sides of the same coin), protagonists and antagonists ...
> they're all united (for every action, there is an equal and opposite
> action altogether)

Therefore, there must be another side to that coin, an equal and opposite
reaction to your action in claiming the above ... must there not?

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