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* Re: fussp, was Modern Uses of UUCP & NNCPJohn Levine
`* Re: fussp, was Modern Uses of UUCP & NNCPAndy Valencia
 `- Re: fussp, was Modern Uses of UUCP & NNCPJohn Levine

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Subject: Re: fussp, was Modern Uses of UUCP & NNCP
From: John Levine
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Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2021 19:52 UTC
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From: johnl@taugh.com (John Levine)
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Subject: Re: fussp, was Modern Uses of UUCP & NNCP
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2021 19:52:52 -0000 (UTC)
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In article <160977571380.16164.9873622443706855844@media.vsta.org>,
Andy Valencia <vandys@vsta.org> wrote:
> http://www.vsta.org/spam/Traveler.html
>
>But for purposes here, tl;dr is add a "X-Authorized-Sender: <token>".
>Senders have a token to address you, your side remembers who got what
>token. When one is abused, you can turn it off. When you get a new
>correspondent, you give them a new token (and remember who got it).
>A merchant can hand theirs to, e.g., UPS so you can hear about tracking
>of the merchant's shipping.

That's called zoemail. It was patented so long ago that the patent expired
a year ago. See patent 6,643,686.

It's also a Well Known Bad Idea since it just replaces the intractable
spam problem with the equally intractable introduction problem.

--
Regards,
John Levine, johnl@taugh.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies",
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Subject: Re: fussp, was Modern Uses of UUCP & NNCP
From: Andy Valencia
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From: vandys@vsta.org (Andy Valencia)
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Subject: Re: fussp, was Modern Uses of UUCP & NNCP
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John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> writes:
> That's called zoemail. It was patented so long ago that the patent expired
> a year ago. See patent 6,643,686.
>
> It's also a Well Known Bad Idea since it just replaces the intractable
> spam problem with the equally intractable introduction problem.

This isn't alt.spam.argue.argue.argue, so I'll just say that I've
lived with the technique by overloading the email address with the
token. And it is much more effective than you might expect.

Andy Valencia
Home page: https://www.vsta.org/andy/
To contact me: https://www.vsta.org/contact/andy.html

Subject: Re: fussp, was Modern Uses of UUCP & NNCP
From: John Levine
Newsgroups: comp.mail.uucp
Organization: Taughannock Networks
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2021 22:53 UTC
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From: johnl@taugh.com (John Levine)
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Subject: Re: fussp, was Modern Uses of UUCP & NNCP
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2021 22:53:42 -0000 (UTC)
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In article <160979781021.23695.8284804067842883969@media.vsta.org>,
Andy Valencia <vandys@vsta.org> wrote:
>John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> writes:
>> That's called zoemail. It was patented so long ago that the patent expired
>> a year ago. See patent 6,643,686.
>>
>> It's also a Well Known Bad Idea since it just replaces the intractable
>> spam problem with the equally intractable introduction problem.
>
>This isn't alt.spam.argue.argue.argue, so I'll just say that I've
>lived with the technique by overloading the email address with the
>token. And it is much more effective than you might expect.

I've probably been using tagged addresses as long as anyone. They are
handy for telling who leaks their addresses, but they are far from a
FUSSP.

--
Regards,
John Levine, johnl@taugh.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies",
Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. https://jl.ly

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