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* Python kitsaito
+* Re: Python kitChristian Gollwitzer
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+* Re: Python kitUwe Schmitz
|`- Re: Python kitsaito
`- Re: Python kitOlivier

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Subject: Python kit
From: saito
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Subject: Python kit
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Is there something in the Python world that is similar to a tclkit? A
minimal run-time environment that ideally consists of a single file? I
was going to post it to the python group but I am not sure I can
properly explain the concept and do it justice.

Subject: Re: Python kit
From: Christian Gollwitzer
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Subject: Re: Python kit
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Am 22.11.24 um 19:15 schrieb saito:
> Is there something in the Python world that is similar to a tclkit? A
> minimal run-time environment that ideally consists of a single file? I
> was going to post it to the python group but I am not sure I can
> properly explain the concept and do it justice.

There is no canonical solution but several possibilities.

There is "pyinstaller" which similarly can create a single-file
executable embedding an arbitrary script. It comes with a static
analyzer which tries to automatically download/package the dependencies.
Problem is the maintenance of it, it used to be a hobby project.

You can also package up a Python script as a zip file, and run this
directly from a python interpreter. I believe the zipkit facility of Tcl
9 is inspired by it. Contrary to pyinstaller, the zip solution cannot
load binary extensions.

Another one is py2exe, which, I think, only runs on Windows.

In my humble experience, the Tclkit solution is more solid than the
Python solutions, in that it doesn't break as easily when you update
some of the dependencies. For pyinstaller, I always had to tweak the
configuration script a little when the libraries have changed (I'm using
matplotlib, which is a HUGE library). OTOH the automatic dependency
resolution is a very nice feature, especially considering the vast
Python library ecosystem.

Christian

Subject: Re: Python kit
From: saito
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On 11/22/2024 2:46 PM, Christian Gollwitzer wrote:
> Am 22.11.24 um 19:15 schrieb saito:
>> Is there something in the Python world that is similar to a tclkit? A
>> minimal run-time environment that ideally consists of a single file? I
>> was going to post it to the python group but I am not sure I can
>> properly explain the concept and do it justice.
>
> There is no canonical solution but several possibilities.
>

Thank you so very much for the comprehensive reply.

Subject: Re: Python kit
From: Uwe Schmitz
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Am 22.11.2024 um 19:15 schrieb saito:
> Is there something in the Python world that is similar to a tclkit? A minimal run-time environment that ideally consists of a single file? I was going to post it to the python group but I am not sure I can properly explain the concept and do it justice.

I remember using Nuitka (https://nuitka.net/) some time ago.
And I was quite impressed. It appears to be actively maintained.

Subject: Re: Python kit
From: saito
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On 11/25/2024 6:09 AM, Uwe Schmitz wrote:

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> I remember using Nuitka (https://nuitka.net/) some time ago.
> And I was quite impressed. It appears to be actively maintained.
>

Thanks! This looks nice.

Subject: Re: Python kit
From: Olivier
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saito <saitology9@gmail.com> posted:

From there https://github.com/amykyta3/tclpython/

it is said "This package allows the execution of Python code from a Tcl interpreter".

Is'nt there a Tcl interpreter inside a Tclkit ? It could work ?

Olivier.

> Is there something in the Python world that is similar to a tclkit? A
> minimal run-time environment that ideally consists of a single file? I
> was going to post it to the python group but I am not sure I can
> properly explain the concept and do it justice.

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