On 4/05/2024 7:36 am, ChristRose wrote:
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> On Fri, 03 May 2024 09:10:04 -0700,
> Article:<0001HW.2BE543DC00051C3F30DF5038F@news.eternal-september.org>,
> Robert wrote:
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>
>> On May 3, 2024, Michael Christ wrote
>> (in article <v12buu$fglc$1@dont-email.me>):
>>
>>> On 3/05/2024 2:49 pm, ChristRose wrote:
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>>>> On Thu, 02 May 2024 18:46:47 -0700,
>>>> Article:<0001HW.2BE479870020E476305B7438F@news.eternal-september.org>,
>>>> Robert wrote:
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>>>>
>>>>> Evidently he relished the idea to be openly naughty and so he used that as
>>>>> a
>>>>> justification to shout out the word, since shouting out “ILLEGITIMATE
>>>>> CHILD” simply would look foolish. LOL, I would love to see the faces on
>>>>> the
>>>>> people he spoke those words to, emphasizing in the same manner, to a group
>>>>> he
>>>>> was “preaching too” as he claims.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The KJV (and all other versions) refutes
>>>> your ignorant lies. So you attack it.
>>>>
>>>> Fact is, if you're not being
>>>> disciplined, rebuked, and chastened by
>>>> God, you're bastards. That shows that
>>>> every believer sins.
>>>
>>> This AI ChristRosie constant rebellious works state promoting fellow has
>>> gone mad! He's throwing in his whoredom with the Lord's job of trying to
>>> correct the bastard constantly!
>>>
>>> There is a 2 Tim 3:17.
>>>
>>> And chastening and the death of self is only for a night, a season.
>>>
>>> All he is trying to do is justify himself in his sin, in his whoredom!
>
>
> Michael can comfort himself with verse
> fragments, phrases, and his own
> manufactured "quips" that he claims come
> from the Holy Spirit, all he wants. The
> entire New Testament shows what a
> blatant lie this theology is that he
> promotes, and I've demonstrated that
> with plain statements from nearly every
> book in the New Testament.
>
> Not to mention, we see him in here
> sinning every day, as he denies he sins,
> while cussing people out, like we'll be
> too stupid to notice.
>
> Only a complete moron who has no clue
> what the Bible clearly teaches, would
> delude himself with the lies Michael
> promotes in here on a daily basis. But
> then the Bible itself proclaims that
> Michael has neither the truth nor the
> word of God in him (1 John 1:8-2:2).
>
>
>> All believers have sinned, that is what the scriptures teach, it also shows
>> that those believers who walk in the flesh fulfill the flesh and not God, but
>> those that walk in the spirit shall not sin. His AI mindset cannot grasp the
>> truth, He has a religious agenda.
>
>
> You're a sickening liar, Robert. You
> remove the actual context of the
> discussion, supply your own fake
> context, then pretend like you're
> refuting error to champion holiness.
>
> The actual context is a response to
> someone who denies he ever sins, and who
> claims everyone else but him is on their
> way to hell for admitting to as much as
> a single sin. You ignore that, just to
> enjoy a moment of someone patting you on
> the back for your own false context,
> like Esau who traded his inheritance for
> a single bowl of soup. You know from
> decades of experience, that in five
> minutes, he'll be back at your throat.
>
> If you want to champion truth and
> holiness, defend God's holiness, word,
> and truth. God's word says believers
> have a sin nature and should confess
> their sins (1 John 1:8-9; Luke 6, etc.).
> Therefore, the Bible plainly declares
> that people like Michael make God out to
> be a liar when they claim they never
> sin. God's word says he has neither the
> truth nor the word of God in him:
>
> “If we say that we have no sin, we
> deceive ourselves, and the truth is not
> in us. If we confess our sins, He is
> faithful and just to forgive us our sins
> and to cleanse us from all
> unrighteousness. If we say that we have
> not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His
> word is not in us.” (1 John 1:8–10,
> NKJV)
>
>
>> Without chastening he will not see a thing
>> and he cannot be chastened if he has a stiff neck like the religious Jew.
>
>
> I'm regularly chastened by God. The fact
> God chastens every son whom He receives
> proves that Michael is not a son of God,
> while he condemns others every single
> day for admitting to even a single sin.
> Every son God receives gets scourged to
> promote holiness in his life. Michael
> makes himself an exception, pretending
> like he doesn't need to be disciplined
> with scourging, by denying that he ever
> sins. Little does he seem to realize, as
> he imagines this shows himself to be in
> a superior relationship with God, that
> if he's not being scourged, he has not
> been accepted as a son of God, but is a
> "bastard" (KJV).
>
>
>> We are all subject to err at anytime, which is why we are be vigilant and
>> walk in the spirit. Jesus also said, “Be Perfect”, which can mean various
>> things to many people. However, we have OT examples of those God considered
>> perfect. Yet we know their sins, every one of them, so how then can they be
>> considered ‘perfect’ in the eyes of God. There is the dilemma of those
>> that are weak in the knowledge of God and what matters to Him.
>>
>> To those who think they never can sin, they err. To those who says every on
>> lives in continual sin, they also err.
>
>
> I have never said a believer lives in
> continual sin. I've specifically stated
> that if their life is characterized by
> habitual, unrepentant sin, then they are
> not children of God. But this doesn't
> mesh with your false context and
> narrative in a way that allows you to
> pretend like you're championing truth
> and holiness against error:
>
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> On Wed, 01 May 2024 16:26:19 -0500,
> Article:<5cc53j1pvjvaohrpeek44k4lo6np58nji3@christrose,
> ChristRose wrote:
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>
> Further, ongoing, unrepentant sin, is
> inconsistent with the life of a true
> believer (1 John 3), and indicates one
> was never a child of God to begin with.
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>
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> On Wed, 01 May 2024 16:26:19 -0500,
> Article:<5cc53j1pvjvaohrpeek44k4lo6np58nji3@christrose,
> ChristRose wrote:
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>
> 1 John 3:9-10
>
> "No one who is born of God will continue
> to sin, because Gods seed remains in
> them; they cannot go on sinning, because
> they have been born of God. This is how
> we know who the children of God are and
> who the children of the devil are:
> Anyone who does not do what is right is
> not Gods child, nor is anyone who does
> not love their brother and sister."
>
> This passage might seem at first to
> support the idea of sinless perfection,
> but in context, it speaks to a lifestyle
> or pattern of sin. The key is the phrase
> "continue to sin" or "go on sinning,"
> which indicates habitual, unrepentant
> sinning. It implies that while a
> believer may sin, there is a
> transformative work of the Holy Spirit
> that changes their relationship to sin,
> preventing sin from being the defining
> characteristic of their life.
> ========================
>
>> Each as badly as the other. But those
>> that walk in the spirit, shall not sin.
>
>
> ...while they are walking in the Spirit.
> Yet no one flawlessly walks in the
> Spirit 24 hours a day. Those who claim
> they do are liars.
>
>
>> The caveat being they must walk in
>> the spirit as the Born again spirit is without sin. It has been washed clean
>> by the blood of Jesus, therefor there is no sin in it as if has the
>> righteousness of God implanted in it, so it cannot sin.
>
>
> The fact we are called on to walk
> "worthy" of our position in Christ,
> shows there is a difference between your
> position in Christ, and your daily walk
> on earth. It is possible for you to not
> sin, but no one, in practice, actually
> lives up to that 24/7.
>
>
>> One might call it a
>> safe place, a safe haven from the flesh. Which is why the mind must be
>> renewed and renewed daily. IOW trained continuously, and only via the power
>> of God and by man being humble before God can this be done.
>>
>> Those who dwell in the flesh, die, as they are turning their back on God.
>> Unless they are warned, and still have an ear to ear, they will not be
>> rescued, and once lost again, there is no second sacrifice. Good cause for
>> walking in the fear of the Lord.
>
>
> BS. Hebrews speaks hypothetically. No
> one who is ever saved in the first
> place, ever loses their salvation. God
> has predestined every person whom He
> justifies, to be conformed to the image
> of His Son, AND also to be glorified
> (Romans 8).
>
> “For whom He foreknew, He also
> predestined to be conformed to the image
> of His Son, that He might be the
> firstborn among many brethren. Moreover
> whom He predestined, these He also
> called; whom He called, these He also
> justified; and whom He justified, these
> He also glorified.” (Romans 8:29–30,
> NKJV)
>
> What happens is, people who thought they
> were saved find out they were never
> saved to begin with, as evidenced by
> their habitual, unrepentant sin.
>
>
>> For these reasons and more is why Paul said that he died daily. Dying to
>> self.
>
>
> He did something else daily as well: he
> struggled with a sin nature:
>
> “For we know that the law is spiritual,
> but I am carnal, sold under sin. For
> what I am doing, I do not understand.
> For what I will to do, that I do not
> practice; but what I hate, that I do.
> If, then, I do what I will not to do, I
> agree with the law that it is good. But
> now, it is no longer I who do it, but
> sin that dwells in me. For I know that
> in me (that is, in my flesh) nothing
> good dwells; for to will is present with
> me, but how to perform what is good I do
> not find. For the good that I will to
> do, I do not do; but the evil I will not
> to do, that I practice. Now if I do what
> I will not to do, it is no longer I who
> do it, but sin that dwells in me. I find
> then a law, that evil is present with
> me, the one who wills to do good. For I
> delight in the law of God according to
> the inward man. But I see another law in
> my members, warring against the law of
> my mind, and bringing me into captivity
> to the law of sin which is in my
> members. O wretched man that I am! Who
> will deliver me from this body of death?
> I thank God—through Jesus Christ our
> Lord! So then, with the mind I myself
> serve the law of God, but with the flesh
> the law of sin.” (Romans 7:14–25, NKJV)
>
> When Jesus told believers how to pray,
> He instructed them to request daily
> bread and daily forgiveness for their
> daily sins:
>
> “Give us day by day our daily bread. And
> forgive us our sins, For we also forgive
> everyone who is indebted to us. And do
> not lead us into temptation, But deliver
> us from the evil one.”” (Luke 11:3–4,
> NKJV)
>
> Daily bread "And" "forgive us our sins".
>
> Further, the fact He told us to forgive
> our "brother" for sins multiple times
> per day, proves that believers in fact
> sin in their daily walk:
>
> “Take heed to yourselves. If your
> brother sins against you, rebuke him;
> and if he repents, forgive him. And if
> he sins against you seven times in a
> day, and seven times in a day returns to
> you, saying, ‘I repent,’ you shall
> forgive him.”” (Luke 17:3–4, NKJV)
>
> Why would you have to forgive a
> "brother" seven times a day, if no
> Christian "ever" sins a single time
> after salvation?
>
>
>> It is a beautiful thing to live, without self condemnation. Especially when
>> taking communion.
>
>
> That's why at communion, we remember
> Christ's atoning death for our sins and
> confess them to God (1 John 1:8- 2:2).
>
>
>>> It is pathetic and sickening to witness!!! I don't know how many times
>>> this fellow was told it is all about how you treat the Lord, not about
>>> vainly claiming bible verses and sinner theology in his sin.
>
>
> As if you (Michael) walking away from
> the Bible "in faith", and arguing off
> the top of your head (occasionally
> alluding to some Bible phrase or verse
> fragment), somehow constitutes a
> superior relationship with God's word.
>
> The Bible itself declares that your
> theology is derived from "self-deceit",
> and that you do not have the word of God
> or the truth in you. How clear does it
> have to be?
>
> “If we say that we have no sin, we
> deceive ourselves, and the truth is not
> in us. If we confess our sins, He is
> faithful and just to forgive us our sins
> and to cleanse us from all
> unrighteousness. If we say that we have
> not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His
> word is not in us. My little children,
> these things I write to you, so that you
> may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have
> an Advocate with the Father, Jesus
> Christ the righteous.” (1 John 1:8–2:1,
> NKJV)
>
>
>>> Serves him right for vehemently resisting the Holy Spirit when He came.
>>>
>>> Michael Christ
>>
>> The disharmony of fellowship is the most disheartening thing, forget those
>> that claim to be ‘christian’ many a heathen claims that, but those that
>> are Born Again are to be brothers in Christ Jesus, not people that war
>> against one another.
>
> He is not a brother in Christ, by his
> own self-admission.
>
> 1) He denies he ever sins. God's word
> says he has neither the truth nor the
> word of God in him, and that he makes
> God Himself out to be a liar:
>
> “If we say that we have no sin, we
> deceive ourselves, and the truth is not
> in us. If we confess our sins, He is
> faithful and just to forgive us our sins
> and to cleanse us from all
> unrighteousness. If we say that we have
> not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His
> word is not in us. My little children,
> these things I write to you, so that you
> may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have
> an Advocate with the Father, Jesus
> Christ the righteous.” (1 John 1:8–2:1,
> NKJV)
>
> 2) He claims he never sins, therefore,
> by necessary implication, he is never
> being scourged by God to promote
> holiness in his life. The Bible directly
> states if God is not scouring him to
> promote holiness in his life, he is a
> "bastard", and not a son God has
> received:
>
> “For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth,
> and scourgeth every son whom he
> receiveth. If ye endure chastening, God
> dealeth with you as with sons; for what
> son is he whom the father chasteneth
> not? But if ye be without chastisement,
> whereof all are partakers, then are ye
> bastards, and not sons.” (Hebrews
> 12:6–8, KJV 1900)
>
> "ye are bastards and not sons". How
> clear does it have to be? By denying he
> has ever sinned even a single time since
> being "saved" 37+ years ago, Michael
> directly implies that he has never ever
> been scourged by God for his sins, even
> a single time. That means he is not a
> son of God, but is a "bastard". How do
> you not see that?
>
>
>> I may have said more than I should, I pray that God makes sense of it all,
>> according to His will.
>
>
> You know full well from your daily
> experience with Michael for the last 20
> years (as do I), that in 5 minutes,
> he'll be at your throat again, calling
> you a sinner whore, denying that you're
> saved, telling you to put down your
> Bible and walk away from it in faith,
> and in its place, he will rather be
> promoting whatever quips or ideas pop
> into his head at any random moment,
> claiming these ideas came from the "Holy
> Spirit" whether they agree with
> Scripture or not. But for 5 minutes
> worth of him patting you on the back,
> you are willing to compromise the truth.

And what all that ChristRose sinner rambling and lying about me boils
down to is his dismissal of the mistreatment of the Lord (violating His
will) and his trying to conceal and bury that truth in his sinner
perfectionism self-justifying theology.

ChristRose thinks that his understanding is flawless in his sin state.

What ChristRosie doesn't know is that a sinner cannot see the Kingdom of
God; a sinner cannot see the Kingdom of God until he loses his life.

With God, all things are possible, which is meaningless to him.

I know that it is a huge shock for a man to learn he is wrong about
everything (e.g., Saul/Paul), especially if he has spent a lifetime
working to be righteous.

Nevertheless, it is called a narrow path because narrow is the way and
few there are that find it.

Michael Christ

--
God is God in all His Being.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that a sinner could play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: A man full of bluster and bullshit
pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

What does a fool do? A fool looks for a "nothing" in a "something" in
order to explain the existence of existence.

"Unless you do all because He is who He is, all your religion is in vain."

"Every man is subject to God; He judges every man, and He is reality.
 What a gift in a fallen world!"

"Love MUST be a choice or it is nothing but a law!"

"Why were all men born sinners? So that God could reveal Himself, so
that we would behold the glory of God, and that we should bring forth
the glory of God"

"God does not and will not arbitrate for any man to love Him! If God
isn't everything to you, He is nothing to you where the rubber meets the
road."

"It is the unforgivable sin not to love God with all your heart, soul,
and mind. What do you have that is lasting? It is not so much being
punished; it is what you are left with."

"Love isn't worth anything without first a free will choice for God to
birth it in a man."

"The point of salvation: desperation. Anything less than that is
self-righteousness."

"A sinner is not a believer in God; a sinner is a believer in sin."

"A piece of dirt is not the promised land; that is only a reflection.
The promised land is knowing Me, says the Lord."

"It is all about God or it is all about idolatry."

"The Lord Jesus is coming soon. He has always come soon."

"There is no revolving door of self-worship in a son of God's life!"

"There is no such thing as random!"

"You can't truly love without it being with all your heart."

"No one can see God without their whole heart. Unless you can see God,
you know nothing."

"You can't learn God, God has to reveal Himself to you."

"No sinner is sinless in any way."

"Only God is life; only the Kingdom of God of His "Nature" is life."

"What you believe is just a leaning on your own understanding; faith is
a leaning on the one you have chosen to trust."

"God uses the "letter" to crucify a man and raise him from the dead."

"Not fearing God is sheer stupidity for sinners."

"Self-righteousness is any exclusion of God in your heart, because any
exclusion reveals that you think more about yourself than what you
really are."