On Tue, 28 May 2024 15:27:54 +1000, In the Name of Jesus
<michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote:

>On 28/05/2024 3:09 pm, Vincent Maycock wrote:
>> On Tue, 28 May 2024 14:33:07 +1000, In the Name of Jesus
>> <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote:
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>>> On 28/05/2024 2:09 pm, Vincent Maycock wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 28 May 2024 10:58:21 +1000, In the Name of Jesus
>>>> <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 28/05/2024 2:36 am, Vincent Maycock wrote:
>>>>>> On Mon, 27 May 2024 19:42:46 +1000, In the Name of Jesus
>>>>>> <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 27/05/2024 10:29 am, Vincent Maycock wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 27 May 2024 09:09:18 +1000, In the Name of Jesus
>>>>>>>> <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 27/05/2024 4:02 am, Vincent Maycock wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 26 May 2024 17:45:49 +1000, In the Name of Jesus
>>>>>>>>>> <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 26/05/2024 5:01 pm, Maximus wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 25, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (in article <XnsB17DD42C4C3D4629555@185.151.15.190>):
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert <robert@no.way>  wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:0001HW.2C0261710006C88B30F47438F@news.eternal-september.org:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 25, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (in article <XnsB17D83910A038629555@185.151.15.190>):
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert <robert@no.way>  wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:0001HW.2C024D170002035330F47438F@news.eternal-september.org:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 25, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (in article <XnsB17D531BD9F9C629555@185.151.15.190>):
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert <robert@no.way>  wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:0001HW.2C0188D8002B116730A8F938F@news.eternal-september.org:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 24, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (in article <XnsB17CCFAB21169629555@185.151.15.190>):
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert <robert@no.way>  wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:0001HW.2C010F14000E879B30A8F938F@news.eternal-september.o
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rg:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 24, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (in article <XnsB17C81669F34629555@185.151.15.190>):
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert <robert@no.way>  wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:0001HW.2C0103FF000BEEA630A8F938F@news.eternal-septemb
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> er.o rg:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Without Jesus Christ in a persons heart there will be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no peace. Satan comes to kill, and destroy, filling the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> heart with enmity.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And God does nothing about that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because he hates humanity, could care
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> less about humanity, is powerless to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prevent it, or WANTS it to happen.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which is it, do you think?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He gave up His Son for you, so that you could have peace,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and eternal life with him.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The question was about Satan.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why does God permit him to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "kill and destroy”?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Man did,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> __God wants Satan to kill and destroy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> __God is powerless to stop Satan
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> __God doesn't care either way
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which is it?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> None of them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So God is NOT incontrol of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> everything that happens.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There are other options that you are not aware of.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Such as........?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your choice as to following Jesus, or not.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So much for the Divine Plan.....
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Divine Plan has already been laid out and is fully on course.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Walk thru a pediatric oncology ward
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and tell us how children dying of cancer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are part of a "Divine Plan".
>>>>>>>>>>>>> What makes you think they were? Why do you accuse God in heaven for these
>>>>>>>>>>>>> things instead of the god of this world, Satan? The destroyer/
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I think you make this stuff up as you go along. you claim God created
>>>>>>>>>>>> everything, now you say Satan created cancer.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> That is a valid point.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Why would God allow Satan to create cancer?
>>>>>
>>>>> In the Name of Jesus wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Indeed, why did you bring cancer upon yourself?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Why did you bring about pollution?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Did you think you weren't going to reap what you sow?
>>>>>
>>>>> Vincent wrote:
>>>>>>>> Not me, but the innocent children who get struck down with cancer. Are
>>>>>>>> those children "reaping what they sow"?
>>>>>
>>>>> In the Name of Jesus wrote:
>>>>>>> Everything man does effects his neighbour, one way or another, children
>>>>>>> and adults alike.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I know they do -- but should they,
>>>>>
>>>>> How are you going to see how glorious God is if you fail to see how
>>>>> defiled you are and what evil you produce?
>>>>
>>>> So God can't overcome evil to show his true character?
>>>
>>> He did. You're not that ignorant.
>>
>> I thought you said the evil I produce prevents me from seeing what he
>> is or did?
>
>Unless you quote me, you can say anything you like.
>
>Besides, it doesn't stop you thinking.
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>>>>>> if your god cares for them?
>>>>>
>>>>> Where would the world be if it depended on your understanding of God?
>>>>> Answer: where it is. Lost.
>>>>
>>>> Theism is a way of being lost, yeah.
>>>>
>>>>> You do not know God's plans or purposes or what He is capable of,
>>>>> Vincent. It is not over till the fat lady sings.
>>>>
>>>> So you don't have an answer to my arguments. That's fine with me; my
>>>> problem with theists is that they act like they do know, and that they
>>>> do have plausible answers to atheist questions -- when they don't.
>>>
>>> You are going to be what you want to be.
>>>
>>> I wouldn't be worried about your problems with others if I was you.
>>
>> Well, I'm among those whose questions are not answered.
>
>Who says you deserve or are entitled to answers?

Why wouldn't I be?

>>>>> Do you know why hope exists? Because there is something to place your
>>>>> hope in. In atheism is no hope. What does that tell you? That hope is
>>>>> fiction or that atheism is fiction?
>>>
>>>
>>>> Atheists do have hope,
>>>
>>> Atheism is hopelessness. Atheism is ultimately meaninglessness,
>>> purposelessness, and all for nothing.
>>
>> But what if it's true besides supposedly being all those things?
>
>It is true.

LOL! I meant what if atheism is true, not what if your claims are
true.

> Unless you have another option?
>
>Therefore...
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>"Do you know why hope exists? Because there is something to place your
>hope in. In atheism is no hope. What does that tell you? That hope is
>fiction or that atheism is fiction?"
>
>
>>>> just not in religion.
>>>> So don't try to hi-jack
>>>> the word "hope" for your theist claims.
>>>
>>> There is no hope in atheism.
>>>
>>> Yet God gave men hope for a reason.
>>>
>>> If you want to throw that hope in the bin that is your choice.
>>
>> Leprechauns have placed a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow; if
>> you want to throw that gold in the bin, that's your choice.
>
>That is not gold, that is...what you already know.

What!?

>God gave men hope for a reason. You can't deny what you are and what is
>inside you by talking nonsense.

No, I'm not denying any part of reality -- inside me or what I am or
anything else.

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>>>>>>>>> Also, see my reply to that Mitchell Holman fella.
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>>>>>>>> So if someone contracts a disease, it's always their fault? Should we
>>>>>>>> abolish hospitals, since it's the patients' own fault that they're in
>>>>>>>> there?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You keep things shallow to satisfy your ignorance, Vincent.
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>>>>>>>>>>>> but those of us who know
>>>>>>>>>>>> better know diseases are from a biological source, not from beings that
>>>>>>>>>>>> don't exist
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> But that is not a valid point.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Why?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Because things can't create themselves.
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>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Christ