On Tue, 28 May 2024 14:33:07 +1000, In the Name of Jesus
<michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote:

>On 28/05/2024 2:09 pm, Vincent Maycock wrote:
>> On Tue, 28 May 2024 10:58:21 +1000, In the Name of Jesus
>> <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote:
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>>> On 28/05/2024 2:36 am, Vincent Maycock wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 27 May 2024 19:42:46 +1000, In the Name of Jesus
>>>> <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote:
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>>>>> On 27/05/2024 10:29 am, Vincent Maycock wrote:
>>>>>> On Mon, 27 May 2024 09:09:18 +1000, In the Name of Jesus
>>>>>> <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote:
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>>>>>>> On 27/05/2024 4:02 am, Vincent Maycock wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sun, 26 May 2024 17:45:49 +1000, In the Name of Jesus
>>>>>>>> <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 26/05/2024 5:01 pm, Maximus wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Robert wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On May 25, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
>>>>>>>>>>> (in article <XnsB17DD42C4C3D4629555@185.151.15.190>):
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert <robert@no.way>  wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>> news:0001HW.2C0261710006C88B30F47438F@news.eternal-september.org:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 25, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (in article <XnsB17D83910A038629555@185.151.15.190>):
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert <robert@no.way>  wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:0001HW.2C024D170002035330F47438F@news.eternal-september.org:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 25, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (in article <XnsB17D531BD9F9C629555@185.151.15.190>):
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert <robert@no.way>  wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:0001HW.2C0188D8002B116730A8F938F@news.eternal-september.org:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 24, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (in article <XnsB17CCFAB21169629555@185.151.15.190>):
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert <robert@no.way>  wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:0001HW.2C010F14000E879B30A8F938F@news.eternal-september.o
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rg:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 24, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (in article <XnsB17C81669F34629555@185.151.15.190>):
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert <robert@no.way>  wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:0001HW.2C0103FF000BEEA630A8F938F@news.eternal-septemb
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> er.o rg:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Without Jesus Christ in a persons heart there will be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no peace. Satan comes to kill, and destroy, filling the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> heart with enmity.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And God does nothing about that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because he hates humanity, could care
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> less about humanity, is powerless to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prevent it, or WANTS it to happen.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which is it, do you think?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He gave up His Son for you, so that you could have peace,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and eternal life with him.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The question was about Satan.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why does God permit him to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "kill and destroy”?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Man did,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> __God wants Satan to kill and destroy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> __God is powerless to stop Satan
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> __God doesn't care either way
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which is it?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> None of them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So God is NOT incontrol of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> everything that happens.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> There are other options that you are not aware of.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Such as........?
>>>>>>>>>>> Your choice as to following Jesus, or not.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So much for the Divine Plan.....
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Divine Plan has already been laid out and is fully on course.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Walk thru a pediatric oncology ward
>>>>>>>>>>>> and tell us how children dying of cancer
>>>>>>>>>>>> are part of a "Divine Plan".
>>>>>>>>>>> What makes you think they were? Why do you accuse God in heaven for these
>>>>>>>>>>> things instead of the god of this world, Satan? The destroyer/
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I think you make this stuff up as you go along. you claim God created
>>>>>>>>>> everything, now you say Satan created cancer.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That is a valid point.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Why would God allow Satan to create cancer?
>>>
>>> In the Name of Jesus wrote:
>>>>>>> Indeed, why did you bring cancer upon yourself?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why did you bring about pollution?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Did you think you weren't going to reap what you sow?
>>>
>>> Vincent wrote:
>>>>>> Not me, but the innocent children who get struck down with cancer. Are
>>>>>> those children "reaping what they sow"?
>>>
>>> In the Name of Jesus wrote:
>>>>> Everything man does effects his neighbour, one way or another, children
>>>>> and adults alike.
>>>
>>>
>>>> I know they do -- but should they,
>>>
>>> How are you going to see how glorious God is if you fail to see how
>>> defiled you are and what evil you produce?
>>
>> So God can't overcome evil to show his true character?
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>He did. You're not that ignorant.

I thought you said the evil I produce prevents me from seeing what he
is or did?

>>>> if your god cares for them?
>>>
>>> Where would the world be if it depended on your understanding of God?
>>> Answer: where it is. Lost.
>>
>> Theism is a way of being lost, yeah.
>>
>>> You do not know God's plans or purposes or what He is capable of,
>>> Vincent. It is not over till the fat lady sings.
>>
>> So you don't have an answer to my arguments. That's fine with me; my
>> problem with theists is that they act like they do know, and that they
>> do have plausible answers to atheist questions -- when they don't.
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>You are going to be what you want to be.
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>I wouldn't be worried about your problems with others if I was you.

Well, I'm among those whose questions are not answered.

>>> Do you know why hope exists? Because there is something to place your
>>> hope in. In atheism is no hope. What does that tell you? That hope is
>>> fiction or that atheism is fiction?
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>> Atheists do have hope,
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>Atheism is hopelessness. Atheism is ultimately meaninglessness,
>purposelessness, and all for nothing.

But what if it's true besides supposedly being all those things?

>> just not in religion.
>> So don't try to hi-jack
>> the word "hope" for your theist claims.
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>There is no hope in atheism.
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>Yet God gave men hope for a reason.
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>If you want to throw that hope in the bin that is your choice.

Leprechauns have placed a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow; if
you want to throw that gold in the bin, that's your choice.
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>>>>>>> Also, see my reply to that Mitchell Holman fella.
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>>>>>> So if someone contracts a disease, it's always their fault? Should we
>>>>>> abolish hospitals, since it's the patients' own fault that they're in
>>>>>> there?
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>>>>> You keep things shallow to satisfy your ignorance, Vincent.
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>>>>>>>>>> but those of us who know
>>>>>>>>>> better know diseases are from a biological source, not from beings that
>>>>>>>>>> don't exist
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But that is not a valid point.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Why?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Because things can't create themselves.
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>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Michael Christ