On 28/05/2024 2:09 pm, Vincent Maycock wrote:
> On Tue, 28 May 2024 10:58:21 +1000, In the Name of Jesus
> <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote:
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>> On 28/05/2024 2:36 am, Vincent Maycock wrote:
>>> On Mon, 27 May 2024 19:42:46 +1000, In the Name of Jesus
>>> <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote:
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>>>> On 27/05/2024 10:29 am, Vincent Maycock wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 27 May 2024 09:09:18 +1000, In the Name of Jesus
>>>>> <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 27/05/2024 4:02 am, Vincent Maycock wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sun, 26 May 2024 17:45:49 +1000, In the Name of Jesus
>>>>>>> <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 26/05/2024 5:01 pm, Maximus wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Robert wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On May 25, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
>>>>>>>>>> (in article <XnsB17DD42C4C3D4629555@185.151.15.190>):
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Robert <robert@no.way>  wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>> news:0001HW.2C0261710006C88B30F47438F@news.eternal-september.org:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 25, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>> (in article <XnsB17D83910A038629555@185.151.15.190>):
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert <robert@no.way>  wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:0001HW.2C024D170002035330F47438F@news.eternal-september.org:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 25, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (in article <XnsB17D531BD9F9C629555@185.151.15.190>):
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert <robert@no.way>  wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:0001HW.2C0188D8002B116730A8F938F@news.eternal-september.org:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 24, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (in article <XnsB17CCFAB21169629555@185.151.15.190>):
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert <robert@no.way>  wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:0001HW.2C010F14000E879B30A8F938F@news.eternal-september.o
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rg:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 24, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (in article <XnsB17C81669F34629555@185.151.15.190>):
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert <robert@no.way>  wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:0001HW.2C0103FF000BEEA630A8F938F@news.eternal-septemb
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> er.o rg:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Without Jesus Christ in a persons heart there will be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no peace. Satan comes to kill, and destroy, filling the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> heart with enmity.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And God does nothing about that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because he hates humanity, could care
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> less about humanity, is powerless to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prevent it, or WANTS it to happen.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which is it, do you think?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He gave up His Son for you, so that you could have peace,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and eternal life with him.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The question was about Satan.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why does God permit him to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "kill and destroy”?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Man did,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> __God wants Satan to kill and destroy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> __God is powerless to stop Satan
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> __God doesn't care either way
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which is it?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> None of them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> So God is NOT incontrol of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> everything that happens.
>>>>>>>>>>>> There are other options that you are not aware of.
>>>>>>>>>>> Such as........?
>>>>>>>>>> Your choice as to following Jesus, or not.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> So much for the Divine Plan.....
>>>>>>>>>>>> The Divine Plan has already been laid out and is fully on course.
>>>>>>>>>>> Walk thru a pediatric oncology ward
>>>>>>>>>>> and tell us how children dying of cancer
>>>>>>>>>>> are part of a "Divine Plan".
>>>>>>>>>> What makes you think they were? Why do you accuse God in heaven for these
>>>>>>>>>> things instead of the god of this world, Satan? The destroyer/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I think you make this stuff up as you go along. you claim God created
>>>>>>>>> everything, now you say Satan created cancer.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That is a valid point.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why would God allow Satan to create cancer?
>>
>> In the Name of Jesus wrote:
>>>>>> Indeed, why did you bring cancer upon yourself?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why did you bring about pollution?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Did you think you weren't going to reap what you sow?
>>
>> Vincent wrote:
>>>>> Not me, but the innocent children who get struck down with cancer. Are
>>>>> those children "reaping what they sow"?
>>
>> In the Name of Jesus wrote:
>>>> Everything man does effects his neighbour, one way or another, children
>>>> and adults alike.
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>>> I know they do -- but should they,
>>
>> How are you going to see how glorious God is if you fail to see how
>> defiled you are and what evil you produce?
>
> So God can't overcome evil to show his true character?

He did. You're not that ignorant.

>>> if your god cares for them?
>>
>> Where would the world be if it depended on your understanding of God?
>> Answer: where it is. Lost.
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> Theism is a way of being lost, yeah.
>
>> You do not know God's plans or purposes or what He is capable of,
>> Vincent. It is not over till the fat lady sings.
>
> So you don't have an answer to my arguments. That's fine with me; my
> problem with theists is that they act like they do know, and that they
> do have plausible answers to atheist questions -- when they don't.

You are going to be what you want to be.

I wouldn't be worried about your problems with others if I was you.

>> Do you know why hope exists? Because there is something to place your
>> hope in. In atheism is no hope. What does that tell you? That hope is
>> fiction or that atheism is fiction?

> Atheists do have hope,

Atheism is hopelessness. Atheism is ultimately meaninglessness,
purposelessness, and all for nothing.

> just not in religion.
> So don't try to hi-jack
> the word "hope" for your theist claims.

There is no hope in atheism.

Yet God gave men hope for a reason.

If you want to throw that hope in the bin that is your choice.

In the Name of Jesus

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>>>>>> Also, see my reply to that Mitchell Holman fella.
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>>>>> So if someone contracts a disease, it's always their fault? Should we
>>>>> abolish hospitals, since it's the patients' own fault that they're in
>>>>> there?
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>>>> You keep things shallow to satisfy your ignorance, Vincent.
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>>>> In the Name of Jesus
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>>>>>> In the Name of Jesus
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>>>>>>>>> but those of us who know
>>>>>>>>> better know diseases are from a biological source, not from beings that
>>>>>>>>> don't exist
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But that is not a valid point.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Why?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Because things can't create themselves.
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Michael Christ

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Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that a sinner could play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: A man full of bluster and bullshit
pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

What does a fool do? A fool looks for a "nothing" in a "something" in
order to explain the existence of existence.

"Unless you do all because He is who He is, all your religion is in vain."

"Every man is subject to God; He judges every man, and He is reality.
 What a gift in a fallen world!"

"Love MUST be a choice or it is nothing but a law!"

"Why were all men born sinners? So that God could reveal Himself, so
that we would behold the glory of God, and that we should bring forth
the glory of God"

"God does not and will not arbitrate for any man to love Him! If God
isn't everything to you, He is nothing to you where the rubber meets the
road."

"It is the unforgivable sin not to love God with all your heart, soul,
and mind. What do you have that is lasting? It is not so much being
punished; it is what you are left with."

"Love isn't worth anything without first a free will choice for God to
birth it in a man."

"The point of salvation: desperation. Anything less than that is
self-righteousness."

"A sinner is not a believer in God; a sinner is a believer in sin."

"A piece of dirt is not the promised land; that is only a reflection.
The promised land is knowing Me, says the Lord."

"It is all about God or it is all about idolatry."

"The Lord Jesus is coming soon. He has always come soon."

"There is no revolving door of self-worship in a son of God's life!"

"There is no such thing as random!"

"You can't truly love without it being with all your heart."

"No one can see God without their whole heart. Unless you can see God,
you know nothing."

"You can't learn God, God has to reveal Himself to you."

"No sinner is sinless in any way."

"Only God is life; only the Kingdom of God of His "Nature" is life."

"What you believe is just a leaning on your own understanding; faith is
a leaning on the one you have chosen to trust."

"God uses the "letter" to crucify a man and raise him from the dead."

"Not fearing God is sheer stupidity for sinners."

"Self-righteousness is any exclusion of God in your heart, because any
exclusion reveals that you think more about yourself than what you
really are."

"Atheism: "The claim that life received from itself."

"But remember this: always, absolutely always, all the glory is the
Lord's and His alone, and anyone who takes any credit for anything, you
know, instantly, he is not what he pretends to be and is a false prophet."

"That light had to bear (bears all things) the darkness for us, but that
light did not ever become darkness."