% <pursent100@gmail.com> wrote in
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> Robert wrote:
>> On May 27, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
>> (in article <XnsB17F5465C7D50629555@185.151.15.190>):
>>
>>> Robert <robert@no.way> wrote in
>>> news:0001HW.2C042A650008BB5D30EE6438F@news.eternal-september.org:
>>>
>>>> On May 26, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
>>>> (in article <XnsB17ED0FB44B1B629555@185.151.15.190>):
>>>>
>>>>> Robert <robert@no.way> wrote in
>>>>> news:0001HW.2C0406BF0000606B30EE6438F@news.eternal-september.org:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On May 26, 2024, pursent100@gmail.com wrote
>>>>>> (in article<rcycnY5V4p1DKc77nZ2dnZfqn_GdnZ2d@giganews.com>):
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Robert wrote:
>>>>>>>> On May 26, 2024, El Kabong wrote
>>>>>>>> (in article<rn975jdrh5gbuiocad2jv49a7bm978vqm1@4ax.com>):
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Robert wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On May 26, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
>>>>>>>>>>> Creon <creon@creon.earth> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 26 May 2024 12:25:17 +1000, Maximus wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> if we abandon fact based thought in favor of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> religious notions there's no telling were it will
>>>>>>>>>>>>> lead. that's why I say embracing religious ideas is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> perilous and unwise.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ''
>>>>>>>>>>>> The Bible is not greater than conscience and reason.
>>>>>>>>>>>> They are directly from God, God's voice heard plainly
>>>>>>>>>>>> in the heart, as even on Horeb, or Sinai or the mount
>>>>>>>>>>>> of transfiguration. Nothing can be superior to these
>>>>>>>>>>>> instructors. The Bible may agree with reason, utter
>>>>>>>>>>>> the same sentiments with conscience; and so far it will
>>>>>>>>>>>> authority. It can never contradict these counselors,
>>>>>>>>>>>> and yet claim obedience. What God has made cannot be
>>>>>>>>>>>> unmade by any power short of his own; so nothing
>>>>>>>>>>>> arbitrary or capricious can ever become binding on
>>>>>>>>>>>> reason and conscience, let it be taught on what
>>>>>>>>>>>> external authority it may. One chief merit of
>>>>>>>>>>>> Christianity consists in restoring natural morality and
>>>>>>>>>>>> natural religion to their original and
>>>>>>>>>>>> proper place,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Slavery, incest, polygamy, mass murder = "Natural
>>>>>>>>>>> morality"?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> First you need to know what you are talking about, and
>>>>>>>>>> understand without throwing shade.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> All “slavery” is not what you think, and yes, there is
>>>>>>>>>> a bad side which
>>>>>>>>>> left to the natural man often is evil and corrupt,
>>>>>>>>>> Incest is always evil, and of the sin nature.
>>>>>>>>>> Polygamy, freely done of free will, there was a time and a
>>>>>>>>>> place for it. Murder in any form is just as evil.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she
>>>>>>>>>>> will not be freed at the end of six years as the
>>>>>>>>>>> men are.
>>>>>>>>>>> Exodus 21:7-11
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> This was done for economic reasons, and was not the type of
>>>>>>>>>> slavery most think of as overblown by evil people. This was
>>>>>>>>>> a willing indenture, like when
>>>>>>>>>> you went to work for any employer. At that time it could be
>>>>>>>>>> for a shorter time, long enough to pay off the debt, but no
>>>>>>>>>> longer than the years that the
>>>>>>>>>> Law allowed. Which ensured fair play. This is a far more
>>>>>>>>>> complicated topic that this brief explanation, and yes, I
>>>>>>>>>> know that most people do not get it.
>>>>>>>>>> But many sell themselves as indentured employees in order
>>>>>>>>>> to feed and clothe
>>>>>>>>>> their families instead of opting to die prematurely of
>>>>>>>>>> starvation or freeze
>>>>>>>>>> to death. This was also common in the early days of America
>>>>>>>>>> regardless of race. Even in the biblical times many
>>>>>>>>>> “slaves” could buy back their freedom from the monies
>>>>>>>>>> earned for their work. Some never opted out, content
>>>>>>>>>> to work for their living and get a little spending money on
>>>>>>>>>> top of all the other benefits provided them. Bigots will
>>>>>>>>>> never understand what I am saying,
>>>>>>>>>> and they would be the same type of people who would treat
>>>>>>>>>> their slaves poorly and beat them, like they do here with
>>>>>>>>>> their harsh words and bad attitudes.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So you are a defender and apologist for slavery.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I wouldn’t put it that way at all. I just understand the
>>>>>>>> various meanings for the one English word called slavery.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Do you work as an employee? If so, what are the does and
>>>>>>>> don’t’s of your life as an employee. What ‘carrots’ do
>>>>>>>> they dangle in front of you, what actual freedoms do you have
>>>>>>>> to keep on being an employee. Think about it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A few years back there were a group of multi-million dollar
>>>>>>>> paid football players who made a point out of their slavery by
>>>>>>>> the white man, and what they
>>>>>>>> had to do whether they liked it or not in order to remain on
>>>>>>>> the teams they were a part of. To them that was slavery, they
>>>>>>>> shouldn’t be required to practice, just show up for the game.
>>>>>>>> Many scoffed at the whole idea, especially because of the
>>>>>>>> monies they make, their retirement programs as well
>>>>>>>> as health care.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yet they had a point. We all have to give in order to get, in
>>>>>>>> some way.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I also had many friends who owned their companies, who felt
>>>>>>>> that their employees were their ’slaves’ some actually
>>>>>>>> disrespected them, not openly, but did take advantage of them.
>>>>>>>> I never respected them, and it was embarrassing to be around
>>>>>>>> them. But that is still the way of men in today’s
>>>>>>>> world. That is why there were some good owners and bad owners.
>>>>>>>> Biblically speaking under the Jewish Covenant, there were
>>>>>>>> provisions made for people so as to be able to feed their
>>>>>>>> families, fairly and squarely. But those with the
>>>>>>>> mindset of harsh slavery practices by evil men put all slavery
>>>>>>>> into that one mindset box, which is unfair. A lot of America
>>>>>>>> was made up of white slaves and their families, who for the
>>>>>>>> sake of freedom and the free ride via ship, into this country
>>>>>>>> gave up 5-10 years of their life just to get here, and be able
>>>>>>>> to build their own farms and or businesses once released of
>>>>>>>> their obligations.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Would you have denied these people the opportunity to live and
>>>>>>>> not die?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If slavery was justified in the past, don't you think
>>>>>>>>> it's still justifiable now? If not, what has changed?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The name. Is not China the largest slave industry in the world?
>>>>>>>> What about pimps and their women?
>>>>>>>> What about employee’s and employers? What about people on the
>>>>>>>> dole? People that are slaves to their drugs of choice. What
>>>>>>>> about the countries controlled
>>>>>>>> by Dictators?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My point is, in one way or another many are slaves.
>>>>>>> they can't be , slavery is illegal everywhere
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Then you deceive yourself. People have been arrested here in the
>>>>>> USA, this century for slavery.
>>>>>
>>>>> You missed the point.
>>>>>
>>>>> He said slavery is illegal
>>>>> everywhere and he is right. The
>>>>> fact that it may be practiced
>>>>> in isolated places doesn't change
>>>>> that.
>>>>
>>>> https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/countries-that-st
>>>> ill -have- slavery
>>>>
>>>> Enjoy.
>>>
>>> From your own source:
>>>
>>> "Mauritania, which lies in the western region
>>> of the continent of Africa, was the last
>>> country to abolish slavery."
>>>
>>> https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/last-country-to-
>>> abolish-slavery
>>
>> Yes it stated that they were the last one to do it, but did not say
>> there were no countries left that practiced it.
>> So were you ignorant or intentionally deceitful when the very next
>> paragraph said this...
>>
>> Where Is Slavery Still Active?
>>
>> Even in the twenty-first century, there are countries in the world
>> that still have slaves. Even if these countries do not necessarily
>> explicitly acknowledge the fact they have slaves, there are people in
>> the country who do not have any rights and are treated as property.
>> For example, India is believed to have more than eight million slaves
>> living within its borders. China also has close to four million
>> slaves, and they are constantly fending off accusations of human
>> rights violations. North Korea is a very cloistered country where
>> people do not have a lot of rights, and it is widely believed that
>> there are a few million slaves living in North Korea as well.
>>
>> This is why NO ONE should trust anything you say.
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.un.org/en/delegate/50-million-people-modern-slavery-un
>>>>>> -r epo rt
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This in 2022 the above.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://theconversation.com/fact-check-how-many-people-are-enslave
>>>>>> d- in- the- world-today-107078
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So who has been yanking your chain? ;)
>>>>>
>>>>> Your claim that there is a
>>>>> good side and bad side to slavery
>>>>> is just silly.
>>>>
>>>> When you wanted to escape the tyranny in Europe to the freedom of
>>>> America, and were too poor to cross the street, in the times of
>>>> early America you would far rather sit there and wallow in misery.
>>>> Some people care and some don’t. Men in the Philippines served
>>>> four years in the American Armed forces during the war and later in
>>>> order to get American citizenship for them and to bring their
>>>> immediate families to America, why did they indenture themselves
>>>> knowing the cost could be their life?
>>
>>
> i'm not going to tell you what to say anymore
>

Your claim that slavery is illegal
everywhere is correct, Robert is just
trying to deflect the conversation away
from the Bible record on slavery.