Robert <robert@no.way> wrote in
news:0001HW.2C052B5000044BE6306B2638F@news.eternal-september.org:

> On May 27, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
> (in article <XnsB17F5465C7D50629555@185.151.15.190>):
>
>> Robert <robert@no.way> wrote in
>> news:0001HW.2C042A650008BB5D30EE6438F@news.eternal-september.org:
>>
>> > On May 26, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
>> > (in article <XnsB17ED0FB44B1B629555@185.151.15.190>):
>> >
>> > > Robert <robert@no.way> wrote in
>> > > news:0001HW.2C0406BF0000606B30EE6438F@news.eternal-september.org:
>> > >
>> > > > On May 26, 2024, pursent100@gmail.com wrote
>> > > > (in article<rcycnY5V4p1DKc77nZ2dnZfqn_GdnZ2d@giganews.com>):
>> > > >
>> > > > > Robert wrote:
>> > > > > > On May 26, 2024, El Kabong wrote
>> > > > > > (in article<rn975jdrh5gbuiocad2jv49a7bm978vqm1@4ax.com>):
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > > Robert wrote:
>> > > > > > > > On May 26, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
>> > > > > > > > > Creon <creon@creon.earth> wrote in
>> > > > > > > > > > On Sun, 26 May 2024 12:25:17 +1000, Maximus wrote:
>> > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > if we abandon fact based thought in favor of
>> > > > > > > > > > > religious notions there's no telling were it will
>> > > > > > > > > > > lead. that's why I say embracing religious ideas
>> > > > > > > > > > > is perilous and unwise.
>> > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > ''
>> > > > > > > > > > The Bible is not greater than conscience and
>> > > > > > > > > > reason. They are directly from God, God's voice
>> > > > > > > > > > heard plainly in the heart, as even on Horeb, or
>> > > > > > > > > > Sinai or the mount of transfiguration. Nothing can
>> > > > > > > > > > be superior to these instructors. The Bible may
>> > > > > > > > > > agree with reason, utter the same sentiments with
>> > > > > > > > > > conscience; and so far it will
>> > > > > > > > > > authority. It can never contradict these
>> > > > > > > > > > counselors, and yet claim obedience. What God has
>> > > > > > > > > > made cannot be unmade by any power short of his
>> > > > > > > > > > own; so nothing arbitrary or capricious can ever
>> > > > > > > > > > become binding on reason and conscience, let it be
>> > > > > > > > > > taught on what external authority it may. One chief
>> > > > > > > > > > merit of Christianity consists in restoring natural
>> > > > > > > > > > morality and natural religion to their original and
>> > > > > > > > > > proper place,
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > Slavery, incest, polygamy, mass murder = "Natural
>> > > > > > > > > morality"?
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > First you need to know what you are talking about, and
>> > > > > > > > understand without throwing shade.
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > All “slavery” is not what you think, and yes, there
>> > > > > > > > is a bad side which
>> > > > > > > > left to the natural man often is evil and corrupt,
>> > > > > > > > Incest is always evil, and of the sin nature.
>> > > > > > > > Polygamy, freely done of free will, there was a time
>> > > > > > > > and a place for it. Murder in any form is just as evil.
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she
>> > > > > > > > > will not be freed at the end of six years as the
>> > > > > > > > > men are.
>> > > > > > > > > Exodus 21:7-11
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > This was done for economic reasons, and was not the
>> > > > > > > > type of slavery most think of as overblown by evil
>> > > > > > > > people. This was a willing indenture, like when
>> > > > > > > > you went to work for any employer. At that time it
>> > > > > > > > could be for a shorter time, long enough to pay off the
>> > > > > > > > debt, but no longer than the years that the
>> > > > > > > > Law allowed. Which ensured fair play. This is a far
>> > > > > > > > more complicated topic that this brief explanation, and
>> > > > > > > > yes, I know that most people do not get it.
>> > > > > > > > But many sell themselves as indentured employees in
>> > > > > > > > order to feed and clothe
>> > > > > > > > their families instead of opting to die prematurely of
>> > > > > > > > starvation or freeze
>> > > > > > > > to death. This was also common in the early days of
>> > > > > > > > America regardless of race. Even in the biblical times
>> > > > > > > > many “slaves” could buy back their freedom from the
>> > > > > > > > monies earned for their work. Some never opted out,
>> > > > > > > > content to work for their living and get a little
>> > > > > > > > spending money on top of all the other benefits
>> > > > > > > > provided them. Bigots will never understand what I am
>> > > > > > > > saying, and they would be the same type of people who
>> > > > > > > > would treat their slaves poorly and beat them, like
>> > > > > > > > they do here with their harsh words and bad attitudes.
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > So you are a defender and apologist for slavery.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > I wouldn’t put it that way at all. I just understand the
>> > > > > > various meanings for the one English word called slavery.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Do you work as an employee? If so, what are the does and
>> > > > > > don’t’s of your life as an employee. What ‘carrots’
>> > > > > > do they dangle in front of you, what actual freedoms do you
>> > > > > > have to keep on being an employee. Think about it.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > A few years back there were a group of multi-million dollar
>> > > > > > paid football players who made a point out of their slavery
>> > > > > > by the white man, and what they
>> > > > > > had to do whether they liked it or not in order to remain
>> > > > > > on the teams they were a part of. To them that was slavery,
>> > > > > > they shouldn’t be required to practice, just show up for
>> > > > > > the game. Many scoffed at the whole idea, especially
>> > > > > > because of the monies they make, their retirement programs
>> > > > > > as well as health care.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Yet they had a point. We all have to give in order to get,
>> > > > > > in some way.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > I also had many friends who owned their companies, who felt
>> > > > > > that their employees were their ’slaves’ some actually
>> > > > > > disrespected them, not openly, but did take advantage of
>> > > > > > them. I never respected them, and it was embarrassing to be
>> > > > > > around them. But that is still the way of men in today’s
>> > > > > > world. That is why there were some good owners and bad
>> > > > > > owners. Biblically speaking under the Jewish Covenant,
>> > > > > > there were provisions made for people so as to be able to
>> > > > > > feed their families, fairly and squarely. But those with
>> > > > > > the mindset of harsh slavery practices by evil men put all
>> > > > > > slavery into that one mindset box, which is unfair. A lot
>> > > > > > of America was made up of white slaves and their families,
>> > > > > > who for the sake of freedom and the free ride via ship,
>> > > > > > into this country gave up 5-10 years of their life just to
>> > > > > > get here, and be able to build their own farms and or
>> > > > > > businesses once released of their obligations.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Would you have denied these people the opportunity to live
>> > > > > > and not die?
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > If slavery was justified in the past, don't you think
>> > > > > > > it's still justifiable now? If not, what has changed?
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > The name. Is not China the largest slave industry in the
>> > > > > > world? What about pimps and their women?
>> > > > > > What about employee’s and employers? What about people on
>> > > > > > the dole? People that are slaves to their drugs of choice.
>> > > > > > What about the countries controlled
>> > > > > > by Dictators?
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > My point is, in one way or another many are slaves.
>> > > > > they can't be , slavery is illegal everywhere
>> > > >
>> > > > Then you deceive yourself. People have been arrested here in
>> > > > the USA, this century for slavery.
>> > >
>> > > You missed the point.
>> > >
>> > > He said slavery is illegal
>> > > everywhere and he is right. The
>> > > fact that it may be practiced
>> > > in isolated places doesn't change
>> > > that.
>> >
>> > https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/countries-that-st
>> > ill -have- slavery
>> >
>> > Enjoy.
>>
>> From your own source:
>>
>> "Mauritania, which lies in the western region
>> of the continent of Africa, was the last
>> country to abolish slavery."
>>
>> https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/last-country-to-
>> abolish-slavery
>
> Yes it stated that they were the last one to do it, but did not say
> there were no countries left that practiced it.

For the 3rd time, that is not the
issue. The claim was that slavery is
illegal everywhere, which you own
source confirms.

Can you stick to the topic?

> So were you ignorant or intentionally deceitful when the very next
> paragraph said this...
>
> Where Is Slavery Still Active?
>
> Even in the twenty-first century, there are countries in the world
> that still have slaves. Even if these countries do not necessarily
> explicitly acknowledge the fact they have slaves, there are people in
> the country who do not have any rights and are treated as property.
> For example, India is believed to have more than eight million slaves
> living within its borders. China also has close to four million
> slaves, and they are constantly fending off accusations of human
> rights violations. North Korea is a very cloistered country where
> people do not have a lot of rights, and it is widely believed that
> there are a few million slaves living in North Korea as well.
>
> This is why NO ONE should trust anything you say.
>
>>
>>
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > >
>> > > > https://www.un.org/en/delegate/50-million-people-modern-slavery-
>> > > > un-r epo rt
>> > > >
>> > > > This in 2022 the above.
>> > > >
>> > > > https://theconversation.com/fact-check-how-many-people-are-ensla
>> > > > ved- in- the- world-today-107078
>> > > >
>> > > > So who has been yanking your chain? ;)
>> > >
>> > > Your claim that there is a
>> > > good side and bad side to slavery
>> > > is just silly.
>> >
>> > When you wanted to escape the tyranny in Europe to the freedom of
>> > America, and were too poor to cross the street, in the times of
>> > early America you would far rather sit there and wallow in misery.
>> > Some people care and some don’t. Men in the Philippines served
>> > four years in the American Armed forces during the war and later in
>> > order to get American citizenship for them and to bring their
>> > immediate families to America, why did they indenture themselves
>> > knowing the cost could be their life?
>
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