Robert wrote:
> On May 27, 2024, Maximus wrote
> (in article <lbj0fvFkknkU1@mid.individual.net>):
>
>> Robert wrote:
>>> On May 27, 2024, Maximus wrote
>>> (in article <lbiqcvFjoekU1@mid.individual.net>):
>>>
>>>> Robert wrote:
>>>>> On May 26, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
>>>>> (in article <XnsB17ED4CF827E7629555@185.151.15.190>):
>>>>>
>>>>>> Robert <robert@no.way> wrote in
>>>>>> news:0001HW.2C03D34E0009885C30667038F@news.eternal-september.org:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On May 26, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
>>>>>>> (in article <XnsB17E59C916DC5629555@185.151.15.190>):
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> wrote in
>>>>>>>> news:lbfl7fF5di8U1@mid.individual.net:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Robert wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On May 25, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
>>>>>>>>>> (in article <XnsB17D83910A038629555@185.151.15.190>):
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Robert <robert@no.way> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>> news:0001HW.2C024D170002035330F47438F@news.eternal-september.org
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 25, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>> (in article <XnsB17D531BD9F9C629555@185.151.15.190>):
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert <robert@no.way> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:0001HW.2C0188D8002B116730A8F938F@news.eternal-september
>>>>>>>>>>>>> .org:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 24, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (in article <XnsB17CCFAB21169629555@185.151.15.190>):
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert <robert@no.way> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:0001HW.2C010F14000E879B30A8F938F@news.eternal-septe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mber.org:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 24, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (in article <XnsB17C81669F34629555@185.151.15.190>):
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert <robert@no.way> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:0001HW.2C0103FF000BEEA630A8F938F@news.eternal-s
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eptember.o rg:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Without Jesus Christ in a persons heart there
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will be no peace. Satan comes to kill, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> destroy, filling the heart
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with enmity.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And God does nothing about that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because he hates humanity, could care
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> less about humanity, is powerless to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prevent it, or WANTS it to happen.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which is it, do you think?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He gave up His Son for you, so that you could have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> peace, and eternal life with him.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The question was about Satan.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why does God permit him to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "kill and destroy”?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Man did,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> __God wants Satan to kill and destroy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> __God is powerless to stop Satan
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> __God doesn't care either way
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which is it?
>>>>>>>>>>>> None of them.
>>>>>>>>>>> So God is NOT incontrol of
>>>>>>>>>>> everything that happens.
>>>>>>>>>> There are other options that you are not aware of.
>>>>>>>>>>> So much for the Divine Plan.....
>>>>>>>>>> The Divine Plan has already been laid out and is fully on course.
>>>>>>>>>> We were given a heads up, 1,000’s of years ago. Yet you fully
>>>>>>>>>> ignore it.
>>>>>>>>> how unfortunate that God relies on mere mortals such as you to tell
>>>>>>>>> us his wishes. he can (supposedly) create a Universe but cannot
>>>>>>>>> (for example) patch into our communication systems and send
>>>>>>>>> messages directly.
>>>>>>>> That is one of the most bizarre
>>>>>>>> parts of Christianity.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> God wants to convey a message to
>>>>>>>> all mankind, so he has one person
>>>>>>>> preach it in a backwater desert
>>>>>>>> province and makes no arrangement for
>>>>>>>> this message to be even written down
>>>>>>>> much less broadcast to the whole world.
>>>>>>> The Good News of God was preached and taught and lived by Jesus the
>>>>>>> Christ, whose words are recorded in the NT and prophesied of in the
>>>>>>> OT.
>>>>>> Not one word of Jesus was written down
>>>>>> until dacades after his death. Even Plato
>>>>>> and Buddha - centuries before Jesus - made
>>>>>> arrangements for scribes to record what they
>>>>>> said. And the Son of God didn't?
>>>>> That is such a dumb statement, I can hardly believe my eyes.
>>>> explain why. if there's a God who had a message for mankind so important
>>>> that our eternal destiny depended on it, why would what he wanted us to
>>>> know not be written precisely ? he did it with the 10 commandments,
>>>> according to your belief. why not in Jesus' time? we do not have one
>>>> word recorded by Jesus anywhere. (that we know of.) it beggars belief
>>>> that the message would be entrusted to hearsay decades after the events.
>>> Read a red letter edition of the Bible to see the words of Jesus that was
>>> recorded,
>> they're only words he's reported to have said. nothing written anywhere
>> by Jesus.
>>
>>> however, the red letter editions often miss ALL of what Jesus
>>> actually spoke.
>> how would you know? as I said if Jesus had bothered to write down what
>> his message was, what it was god (supposedly) wanted us to know, all
>> this discussion and controversy would be avoided. there's no sound why a
>> god who had a message for mankind would not do that.
> The spirit of God inspired the scriptures. All of them, to man for the
> purposes of writing them down, so what’s the difference? If the last will
> and testament of you parents were written up by another, for them, as they
> designed, would you deny that as well?

the difference is the scriptures were not dictated by Jesus during his
lifetime.

>>
>>> And besides that, the words that Jesus spoke were the words
>>> His Heavenly Father gave him to speak, and all scripture comes from the
>>> Father 1 Tim 3:16 IIRC.
>>>>>> Was His message just not important enough?
>>>> that is the most logical conclusion
>>> You will have full proof and truth upon your death.
>> I won't exist after my death, and neither will you, or anyone for that
>> matter, and you cannot prove otherwise.
> Your body may not but it will be resurrected to death or life if you were
> born again. When it is, it will be in the state it was at ones passing from this world.

and what if there is no body to resurrect? just a skeleton from having
rotted away, or no body due to the person having been cremated, or blown
to bits in an explosion, or vaporized in a nuclear explosion? see how
silly your beliefs are?

>
>
> It is irreversible at the time of our passing.
> One thing you can never say, and that is that you were never warned. You, or
> anyone else that reads this post.

and so now you resort to spiritual terrorism, 'repent or be dammed'.
what you need to remember is that these claims of yours are only
beliefs, no different to muslims looking forward to their 72 virgins.
you talk about them as if they're fact, which they're not.

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