Robert wrote:
> On May 27, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
> (in article <XnsB17F5465C7D50629555@185.151.15.190>):
>
>> Robert <robert@no.way> wrote in
>> news:0001HW.2C042A650008BB5D30EE6438F@news.eternal-september.org:
>>
>>> On May 26, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
>>> (in article <XnsB17ED0FB44B1B629555@185.151.15.190>):
>>>
>>>> Robert <robert@no.way> wrote in
>>>> news:0001HW.2C0406BF0000606B30EE6438F@news.eternal-september.org:
>>>>
>>>>> On May 26, 2024, pursent100@gmail.com wrote
>>>>> (in article<rcycnY5V4p1DKc77nZ2dnZfqn_GdnZ2d@giganews.com>):
>>>>>
>>>>>> Robert wrote:
>>>>>>> On May 26, 2024, El Kabong wrote
>>>>>>> (in article<rn975jdrh5gbuiocad2jv49a7bm978vqm1@4ax.com>):
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Robert wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On May 26, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
>>>>>>>>>> Creon <creon@creon.earth> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 26 May 2024 12:25:17 +1000, Maximus wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> if we abandon fact based thought in favor of
>>>>>>>>>>>> religious notions there's no telling were it will
>>>>>>>>>>>> lead. that's why I say embracing religious ideas is
>>>>>>>>>>>> perilous and unwise.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ''
>>>>>>>>>>> The Bible is not greater than conscience and reason.
>>>>>>>>>>> They are directly from God, God's voice heard plainly
>>>>>>>>>>> in the heart, as even on Horeb, or Sinai or the mount
>>>>>>>>>>> of transfiguration. Nothing can be superior to these
>>>>>>>>>>> instructors. The Bible may agree with reason, utter
>>>>>>>>>>> the same sentiments with conscience; and so far it will
>>>>>>>>>>> authority. It can never contradict these counselors,
>>>>>>>>>>> and yet claim obedience. What God has made cannot be
>>>>>>>>>>> unmade by any power short of his own; so nothing
>>>>>>>>>>> arbitrary or capricious can ever become binding on
>>>>>>>>>>> reason and conscience, let it be taught on what
>>>>>>>>>>> external authority it may. One chief merit of
>>>>>>>>>>> Christianity consists in restoring natural morality and
>>>>>>>>>>> natural religion to their original and
>>>>>>>>>>> proper place,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Slavery, incest, polygamy, mass murder = "Natural
>>>>>>>>>> morality"?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> First you need to know what you are talking about, and
>>>>>>>>> understand without throwing shade.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> All “slavery” is not what you think, and yes, there is
>>>>>>>>> a bad side which
>>>>>>>>> left to the natural man often is evil and corrupt,
>>>>>>>>> Incest is always evil, and of the sin nature.
>>>>>>>>> Polygamy, freely done of free will, there was a time and a
>>>>>>>>> place for it. Murder in any form is just as evil.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she
>>>>>>>>>> will not be freed at the end of six years as the
>>>>>>>>>> men are.
>>>>>>>>>> Exodus 21:7-11
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This was done for economic reasons, and was not the type of
>>>>>>>>> slavery most think of as overblown by evil people. This was
>>>>>>>>> a willing indenture, like when
>>>>>>>>> you went to work for any employer. At that time it could be
>>>>>>>>> for a shorter time, long enough to pay off the debt, but no
>>>>>>>>> longer than the years that the
>>>>>>>>> Law allowed. Which ensured fair play. This is a far more
>>>>>>>>> complicated topic that this brief explanation, and yes, I
>>>>>>>>> know that most people do not get it.
>>>>>>>>> But many sell themselves as indentured employees in order
>>>>>>>>> to feed and clothe
>>>>>>>>> their families instead of opting to die prematurely of
>>>>>>>>> starvation or freeze
>>>>>>>>> to death. This was also common in the early days of America
>>>>>>>>> regardless of race. Even in the biblical times many
>>>>>>>>> “slaves” could buy back their freedom from the monies
>>>>>>>>> earned for their work. Some never opted out, content
>>>>>>>>> to work for their living and get a little spending money on
>>>>>>>>> top of all the other benefits provided them. Bigots will
>>>>>>>>> never understand what I am saying,
>>>>>>>>> and they would be the same type of people who would treat
>>>>>>>>> their slaves poorly and beat them, like they do here with
>>>>>>>>> their harsh words and bad attitudes.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So you are a defender and apologist for slavery.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I wouldn’t put it that way at all. I just understand the
>>>>>>> various meanings for the one English word called slavery.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Do you work as an employee? If so, what are the does and
>>>>>>> don’t’s of your life as an employee. What ‘carrots’ do
>>>>>>> they dangle in front of you, what actual freedoms do you have
>>>>>>> to keep on being an employee. Think about it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A few years back there were a group of multi-million dollar
>>>>>>> paid football players who made a point out of their slavery by
>>>>>>> the white man, and what they
>>>>>>> had to do whether they liked it or not in order to remain on
>>>>>>> the teams they were a part of. To them that was slavery, they
>>>>>>> shouldn’t be required to practice, just show up for the game.
>>>>>>> Many scoffed at the whole idea, especially because of the
>>>>>>> monies they make, their retirement programs as well
>>>>>>> as health care.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yet they had a point. We all have to give in order to get, in
>>>>>>> some way.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I also had many friends who owned their companies, who felt
>>>>>>> that their employees were their ’slaves’ some actually
>>>>>>> disrespected them, not openly, but did take advantage of them.
>>>>>>> I never respected them, and it was embarrassing to be around
>>>>>>> them. But that is still the way of men in today’s
>>>>>>> world. That is why there were some good owners and bad owners.
>>>>>>> Biblically speaking under the Jewish Covenant, there were
>>>>>>> provisions made for people so as to be able to feed their
>>>>>>> families, fairly and squarely. But those with the
>>>>>>> mindset of harsh slavery practices by evil men put all slavery
>>>>>>> into that one mindset box, which is unfair. A lot of America
>>>>>>> was made up of white slaves and their families, who for the
>>>>>>> sake of freedom and the free ride via ship, into this country
>>>>>>> gave up 5-10 years of their life just to get here, and be able
>>>>>>> to build their own farms and or businesses once released of
>>>>>>> their obligations.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Would you have denied these people the opportunity to live and
>>>>>>> not die?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If slavery was justified in the past, don't you think
>>>>>>>> it's still justifiable now? If not, what has changed?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The name. Is not China the largest slave industry in the world?
>>>>>>> What about pimps and their women?
>>>>>>> What about employee’s and employers? What about people on the
>>>>>>> dole? People that are slaves to their drugs of choice. What
>>>>>>> about the countries controlled
>>>>>>> by Dictators?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My point is, in one way or another many are slaves.
>>>>>> they can't be , slavery is illegal everywhere
>>>>>
>>>>> Then you deceive yourself. People have been arrested here in the
>>>>> USA, this century for slavery.
>>>>
>>>> You missed the point.
>>>>
>>>> He said slavery is illegal
>>>> everywhere and he is right. The
>>>> fact that it may be practiced
>>>> in isolated places doesn't change
>>>> that.
>>>
>>> https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/countries-that-still
>>> -have- slavery
>>>
>>> Enjoy.
>>
>> From your own source:
>>
>> "Mauritania, which lies in the western region
>> of the continent of Africa, was the last
>> country to abolish slavery."
>>
>> https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/last-country-to-
>> abolish-slavery
>
> Yes it stated that they were the last one to do it, but did not say there
> were no countries left that practiced it.
> So were you ignorant or intentionally deceitful when the very next paragraph
> said this...
>
> Where Is Slavery Still Active?
>
> Even in the twenty-first century, there are countries in the world that still
> have slaves. Even if these countries do not necessarily explicitly
> acknowledge the fact they have slaves, there are people in the country who do
> not have any rights and are treated as property. For example, India is
> believed to have more than eight million slaves living within its borders.
> China also has close to four million slaves, and they are constantly fending
> off accusations of human rights violations. North Korea is a very cloistered
> country where people do not have a lot of rights, and it is widely believed
> that there are a few million slaves living in North Korea as well.
>
> This is why NO ONE should trust anything you say.
>
>>
>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.un.org/en/delegate/50-million-people-modern-slavery-un-r
>>>>> epo rt
>>>>>
>>>>> This in 2022 the above.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://theconversation.com/fact-check-how-many-people-are-enslaved-
>>>>> in- the- world-today-107078
>>>>>
>>>>> So who has been yanking your chain? ;)
>>>>
>>>> Your claim that there is a
>>>> good side and bad side to slavery
>>>> is just silly.
>>>
>>> When you wanted to escape the tyranny in Europe to the freedom of
>>> America, and were too poor to cross the street, in the times of early
>>> America you would far rather sit there and wallow in misery. Some
>>> people care and some don’t. Men in the Philippines served four years
>>> in the American Armed forces during the war and later in order to get
>>> American citizenship for them and to bring their immediate families to
>>> America, why did they indenture themselves knowing the cost could be
>>> their life?
>
>
i'm not going to tell you what to say anymore