Robert wrote:
> On May 27, 2024, El Kabong wrote
> (in article<j2l85j9so6p5qonuv8bgr7aitn95tj40b0@4ax.com>):
>
>> Robert wrote:
>>> On May 26, 2024, El Kabong wrote
>>>> Robert wrote:
>>>>> On May 26, 2024, El Kabong wrote
>>>>>> Robert wrote:
>>>>>>> On May 26, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
>>>>>>>> Creon <creon@creon.earth> wrote in
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 26 May 2024 12:25:17 +1000, Maximus wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> if we abandon fact based thought in favor of religious notions
>>>>>>>>>> there's no telling were it will lead. that's why I say embracing
>>>>>>>>>> religious ideas is perilous and unwise.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ''
>>>>>>>>> The Bible is not greater than conscience and reason. They are
>>>>>>>>> directly from God, God's voice heard plainly in the heart, as even on
>>>>>>>>> Horeb, or Sinai or the mount of transfiguration. Nothing can be
>>>>>>>>> superior to these instructors. The Bible may agree with reason, utter
>>>>>>>>> the same sentiments with conscience; and so far it will authority. It
>>>>>>>>> can never contradict these counselors, and yet claim obedience. What
>>>>>>>>> God has made cannot be unmade by any power short of his own; so
>>>>>>>>> nothing arbitrary or capricious can ever become binding on reason and
>>>>>>>>> conscience, let it be taught on what external authority it may. One
>>>>>>>>> chief merit of Christianity consists in restoring natural morality and
>>>>>>>>> natural religion to their original and proper place,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Slavery, incest, polygamy, mass murder = "Natural morality"?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> First you need to know what you are talking about, and understand
>>>>>>> without
>>>>>>> throwing shade.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All “slavery” is not what you think, and yes, there is a bad side
>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>> left to the natural man often is evil and corrupt,
>>>>>>> Incest is always evil, and of the sin nature.
>>>>>>> Polygamy, freely done of free will, there was a time and a place for it.
>>>>>>> Murder in any form is just as evil.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she
>>>>>>>> will not be freed at the end of six years as the
>>>>>>>> men are.
>>>>>>>> Exodus 21:7-11
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This was done for economic reasons, and was not the type of slavery most
>>>>>>> think of as overblown by evil people. This was a willing indenture, like
>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>> you went to work for any employer. At that time it could be for a
>>>>>>> shorter
>>>>>>> time, long enough to pay off the debt, but no longer than the years that
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> Law allowed. Which ensured fair play. This is a far more complicated
>>>>>>> topic
>>>>>>> that this brief explanation, and yes, I know that most people do not get
>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>> But many sell themselves as indentured employees in order to feed and
>>>>>>> clothe
>>>>>>> their families instead of opting to die prematurely of starvation or
>>>>>>> freeze
>>>>>>> to death. This was also common in the early days of America regardless
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> race. Even in the biblical times many “slaves” could buy back their
>>>>>>> freedom from the monies earned for their work. Some never opted out,
>>>>>>> content
>>>>>>> to work for their living and get a little spending money on top of all
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> other benefits provided them. Bigots will never understand what I am
>>>>>>> saying,
>>>>>>> and they would be the same type of people who would treat their slaves
>>>>>>> poorly and beat them, like they do here with their harsh words and bad
>>>>>>> attitudes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So you are a defender and apologist for slavery.
>>>>>
>>>>> I wouldn’t put it that way at all. I just understand the various
>>>>> meanings
>>>>> for the one English word called slavery.
>>>>
>>>> No, there aren't "various meanings" for slavery. A slave
>>>> is a person who is owned by another person, a practice
>>>> which you obviously condone.
>>>
>>> https://www.antislavery.org/slavery-today/
>>>
>>> https://www.antislavery.org/slavery-today/modern-slavery/
>>>
>>> https://www.antislavery.org/slavery-today/slavery-uk/
>>>
>>> None of this has to do with religions.
>>
>> It has everything to do with religion, since you are
>> defending the bible's acceptance of slavery.
>>
>>>>> Do you work as an employee? If so, what are the does and don’t’s of
>>>>> your
>>>>> life as an employee. What ‘carrots’ do they dangle in front of you,
>>>>> what
>>>>> actual freedoms do you have to keep on being an employee. Think about it.
>>>>
>>>> Pure hyperbole. False equivalence.
>>>
>>> What makes you think so? Too tired to think, or are you just another frog in
>>> a pot of boiling water.
>>
>> You're being stupid again, and you know it. Voluntary
>> employment is not involuntary servitude.
>
> It is voluntary servitude. Which is what I have been talking about all along.
> There is both voluntary and involuntary servitude yet you guys are so bent on
> your self righteous indignation that you lose all sense of rationale and
> understanding.
>
> The jews who accepted voluntary slaves, would at the time set for the ending
> of that contractural agreement, if they wanted to stay where they were,
> because of marrying another slave, would then have their ear places against a
> doorway, and have the lob pierced with an awl, showing that they were there
> by choice.
>
> None of you people have any economic sense, rationale, or intelligence, in
> that if you and your family had lost everything, had no food, housing or
> clothing, would rather sit there and die, then sell your services for a time
> so as to provide all that stuff so you can get back on your feet. And
> everyone lives, to regain what was lost.
>
> Your spouses, if you have one, and children, are all short changed when they
> hooked up with you, it you will not take charge and care about their well
> being when the chips are down.
>>
>>
>>>>> A few years back there were a group of multi-million dollar paid football
>>>>> players who made a point out of their slavery by the white man, and what
>>>>> they
>>>>
>>>> That's MX-stupid.
>>>
>>> Nevertheless it was well stated in the news.
>>
>> So what? If every media outlet covers the alleged
>> players' alleged claims, does that make them right?
>>
>> Any NFL player is free to quit in the middle of first
>> down. There are zillions of kids chomping at the bit to
>> become NFL "slaves".
>
> The same thing goes for your voluntary servitude position. You are a slave to
> everything that you own which is not fully paid for.
>>
>>
>>>>>> If slavery was justified in the past, don't you think
>>>>>> it's still justifiable now? If not, what has changed?
>>>>>
>>>>> The name. Is not China the largest slave industry in the world? What about
>>>>> pimps and their women?
>>>>> What about employee’s and employers? What about people on the dole?
>>>>> People
>>>>> that are slaves to their drugs of choice. What about the countries
>>>>> controlled by Dictators?
>>>>>
>>>>> My point is, in one way or another many are slaves.
>>>>
>>>> I'll take that as a "yes slavery is still perfectly
>>>> justified because political prisoners in Red China are
>>>> forced to make plastic toys for Happy Meals."
>>>
>>> All forms of slavery are NOT justified, never said or intimidated that it
>>> is.
>>> You just blew your cred's irretrievably also showed an inability to reason.
>>
>> You defended the bible's acceptance of slavery. So yeah,
>> you did intimate it's justified.
>
> No, that was the knee jerk reaction of everyone here that responded to my
> statements, they overlooked what I said was bad about some forms of slavery
> and why other forms are proper. I am not going to back off on my statements
> just to placate unreasonable people that have no rational or understanding.
>
> You think you own yourself? If you are employed, then quit, see what happens
> to the things you own are are in bondage for.
>>
>>
>> Robert, do you agree that slavery is immoral, and was
>> always immoral?
>>
>> Yes or no.
>>
>>>> Did you not read Creon's post about Parker? You are
>>>> Exhibit A for putting biblical dogma above conscience.
>>>
>>> I don’t remember seeing it much less reading it.
>>
>> You quoted it above.
>
> Look at the dates of his original post and this one. The bottom line is, I do
> not go by the words of so-called religious men. Theologians, etc. There are
> plenty of atheists who hold a Dr.’s degree in theology, or a Masters. And
> none of them know God.
>>
>>
>> Feel silly much?
>
> Not at all, especially when I consider the sources who speak out of their
> irrational agendas, and cannot read with comprehension and are not wise
> enough to understand anyone who does not parrot their agenda.
>
> You would rather die, and your family die, than engage in voluntary
> servitude. So be it, that is the extent of the rational of all atheists here.
>>
>>
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>
>
i win