Robert <robert@no.way> wrote in
news:0001HW.2C042A650008BB5D30EE6438F@news.eternal-september.org:

> On May 26, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
> (in article <XnsB17ED0FB44B1B629555@185.151.15.190>):
>
>> Robert <robert@no.way> wrote in
>> news:0001HW.2C0406BF0000606B30EE6438F@news.eternal-september.org:
>>
>> > On May 26, 2024, pursent100@gmail.com wrote
>> > (in article<rcycnY5V4p1DKc77nZ2dnZfqn_GdnZ2d@giganews.com>):
>> >
>> > > Robert wrote:
>> > > > On May 26, 2024, El Kabong wrote
>> > > > (in article<rn975jdrh5gbuiocad2jv49a7bm978vqm1@4ax.com>):
>> > > >
>> > > > > Robert wrote:
>> > > > > > On May 26, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
>> > > > > > > Creon <creon@creon.earth> wrote in
>> > > > > > > > On Sun, 26 May 2024 12:25:17 +1000, Maximus wrote:
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > if we abandon fact based thought in favor of
>> > > > > > > > > religious notions there's no telling were it will
>> > > > > > > > > lead. that's why I say embracing religious ideas is
>> > > > > > > > > perilous and unwise.
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > ''
>> > > > > > > > The Bible is not greater than conscience and reason.
>> > > > > > > > They are directly from God, God's voice heard plainly
>> > > > > > > > in the heart, as even on Horeb, or Sinai or the mount
>> > > > > > > > of transfiguration. Nothing can be superior to these
>> > > > > > > > instructors. The Bible may agree with reason, utter
>> > > > > > > > the same sentiments with conscience; and so far it will
>> > > > > > > > authority. It can never contradict these counselors,
>> > > > > > > > and yet claim obedience. What God has made cannot be
>> > > > > > > > unmade by any power short of his own; so nothing
>> > > > > > > > arbitrary or capricious can ever become binding on
>> > > > > > > > reason and conscience, let it be taught on what
>> > > > > > > > external authority it may. One chief merit of
>> > > > > > > > Christianity consists in restoring natural morality and
>> > > > > > > > natural religion to their original and
>> > > > > > > > proper place,
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > Slavery, incest, polygamy, mass murder = "Natural
>> > > > > > > morality"?
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > First you need to know what you are talking about, and
>> > > > > > understand without throwing shade.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > All “slavery” is not what you think, and yes, there is
>> > > > > > a bad side which
>> > > > > > left to the natural man often is evil and corrupt,
>> > > > > > Incest is always evil, and of the sin nature.
>> > > > > > Polygamy, freely done of free will, there was a time and a
>> > > > > > place for it. Murder in any form is just as evil.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she
>> > > > > > > will not be freed at the end of six years as the
>> > > > > > > men are.
>> > > > > > > Exodus 21:7-11
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > This was done for economic reasons, and was not the type of
>> > > > > > slavery most think of as overblown by evil people. This was
>> > > > > > a willing indenture, like when
>> > > > > > you went to work for any employer. At that time it could be
>> > > > > > for a shorter time, long enough to pay off the debt, but no
>> > > > > > longer than the years that the
>> > > > > > Law allowed. Which ensured fair play. This is a far more
>> > > > > > complicated topic that this brief explanation, and yes, I
>> > > > > > know that most people do not get it.
>> > > > > > But many sell themselves as indentured employees in order
>> > > > > > to feed and clothe
>> > > > > > their families instead of opting to die prematurely of
>> > > > > > starvation or freeze
>> > > > > > to death. This was also common in the early days of America
>> > > > > > regardless of race. Even in the biblical times many
>> > > > > > “slaves” could buy back their freedom from the monies
>> > > > > > earned for their work. Some never opted out, content
>> > > > > > to work for their living and get a little spending money on
>> > > > > > top of all the other benefits provided them. Bigots will
>> > > > > > never understand what I am saying,
>> > > > > > and they would be the same type of people who would treat
>> > > > > > their slaves poorly and beat them, like they do here with
>> > > > > > their harsh words and bad attitudes.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > So you are a defender and apologist for slavery.
>> > > >
>> > > > I wouldn’t put it that way at all. I just understand the
>> > > > various meanings for the one English word called slavery.
>> > > >
>> > > > Do you work as an employee? If so, what are the does and
>> > > > don’t’s of your life as an employee. What ‘carrots’ do
>> > > > they dangle in front of you, what actual freedoms do you have
>> > > > to keep on being an employee. Think about it.
>> > > >
>> > > > A few years back there were a group of multi-million dollar
>> > > > paid football players who made a point out of their slavery by
>> > > > the white man, and what they
>> > > > had to do whether they liked it or not in order to remain on
>> > > > the teams they were a part of. To them that was slavery, they
>> > > > shouldn’t be required to practice, just show up for the game.
>> > > > Many scoffed at the whole idea, especially because of the
>> > > > monies they make, their retirement programs as well
>> > > > as health care.
>> > > >
>> > > > Yet they had a point. We all have to give in order to get, in
>> > > > some way.
>> > > >
>> > > > I also had many friends who owned their companies, who felt
>> > > > that their employees were their ’slaves’ some actually
>> > > > disrespected them, not openly, but did take advantage of them.
>> > > > I never respected them, and it was embarrassing to be around
>> > > > them. But that is still the way of men in today’s
>> > > > world. That is why there were some good owners and bad owners.
>> > > > Biblically speaking under the Jewish Covenant, there were
>> > > > provisions made for people so as to be able to feed their
>> > > > families, fairly and squarely. But those with the
>> > > > mindset of harsh slavery practices by evil men put all slavery
>> > > > into that one mindset box, which is unfair. A lot of America
>> > > > was made up of white slaves and their families, who for the
>> > > > sake of freedom and the free ride via ship, into this country
>> > > > gave up 5-10 years of their life just to get here, and be able
>> > > > to build their own farms and or businesses once released of
>> > > > their obligations.
>> > > >
>> > > > Would you have denied these people the opportunity to live and
>> > > > not die?
>> > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > If slavery was justified in the past, don't you think
>> > > > > it's still justifiable now? If not, what has changed?
>> > > >
>> > > > The name. Is not China the largest slave industry in the world?
>> > > > What about pimps and their women?
>> > > > What about employee’s and employers? What about people on the
>> > > > dole? People that are slaves to their drugs of choice. What
>> > > > about the countries controlled
>> > > > by Dictators?
>> > > >
>> > > > My point is, in one way or another many are slaves.
>> > > they can't be , slavery is illegal everywhere
>> >
>> > Then you deceive yourself. People have been arrested here in the
>> > USA, this century for slavery.
>>
>> You missed the point.
>>
>> He said slavery is illegal
>> everywhere and he is right. The
>> fact that it may be practiced
>> in isolated places doesn't change
>> that.
>
> https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/countries-that-still
> -have- slavery
>
> Enjoy.

From your own source:

"Mauritania, which lies in the western region
of the continent of Africa, was the last
country to abolish slavery."

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/last-country-to-
abolish-slavery

>>
>>
>> >
>> > https://www.un.org/en/delegate/50-million-people-modern-slavery-un-r
>> > epo rt
>> >
>> > This in 2022 the above.
>> >
>> > https://theconversation.com/fact-check-how-many-people-are-enslaved-
>> > in- the- world-today-107078
>> >
>> > So who has been yanking your chain? ;)
>>
>> Your claim that there is a
>> good side and bad side to slavery
>> is just silly.
>
> When you wanted to escape the tyranny in Europe to the freedom of
> America, and were too poor to cross the street, in the times of early
> America you would far rather sit there and wallow in misery. Some
> people care and some don’t. Men in the Philippines served four years
> in the American Armed forces during the war and later in order to get
> American citizenship for them and to bring their immediate families to
> America, why did they indenture themselves knowing the cost could be
> their life?
>
>
>