Robert wrote:
> On May 26, 2024, El Kabong wrote
> (in article<hmd75jdlcsh5v6qddb0l4jqct32ohkj4vj@4ax.com>):
>
>> Robert wrote:
>>> On May 26, 2024, El Kabong wrote
>>>> Robert wrote:
>>>>> On May 26, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
>>>>>> Creon <creon@creon.earth> wrote in
>>>>>>> On Sun, 26 May 2024 12:25:17 +1000, Maximus wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> if we abandon fact based thought in favor of religious notions
>>>>>>>> there's no telling were it will lead. that's why I say embracing
>>>>>>>> religious ideas is perilous and unwise.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ''
>>>>>>> The Bible is not greater than conscience and reason. They are
>>>>>>> directly from God, God's voice heard plainly in the heart, as even on
>>>>>>> Horeb, or Sinai or the mount of transfiguration. Nothing can be
>>>>>>> superior to these instructors. The Bible may agree with reason, utter
>>>>>>> the same sentiments with conscience; and so far it will authority. It
>>>>>>> can never contradict these counselors, and yet claim obedience. What
>>>>>>> God has made cannot be unmade by any power short of his own; so
>>>>>>> nothing arbitrary or capricious can ever become binding on reason and
>>>>>>> conscience, let it be taught on what external authority it may. One
>>>>>>> chief merit of Christianity consists in restoring natural morality and
>>>>>>> natural religion to their original and proper place,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Slavery, incest, polygamy, mass murder = "Natural morality"?
>>>>>
>>>>> First you need to know what you are talking about, and understand without
>>>>> throwing shade.
>>>>>
>>>>> All “slavery” is not what you think, and yes, there is a bad side
>>>>> which
>>>>> left to the natural man often is evil and corrupt,
>>>>> Incest is always evil, and of the sin nature.
>>>>> Polygamy, freely done of free will, there was a time and a place for it.
>>>>> Murder in any form is just as evil.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she
>>>>>> will not be freed at the end of six years as the
>>>>>> men are.
>>>>>> Exodus 21:7-11
>>>>>
>>>>> This was done for economic reasons, and was not the type of slavery most
>>>>> think of as overblown by evil people. This was a willing indenture, like
>>>>> when
>>>>> you went to work for any employer. At that time it could be for a shorter
>>>>> time, long enough to pay off the debt, but no longer than the years that
>>>>> the
>>>>> Law allowed. Which ensured fair play. This is a far more complicated topic
>>>>> that this brief explanation, and yes, I know that most people do not get
>>>>> it.
>>>>> But many sell themselves as indentured employees in order to feed and
>>>>> clothe
>>>>> their families instead of opting to die prematurely of starvation or
>>>>> freeze
>>>>> to death. This was also common in the early days of America regardless of
>>>>> race. Even in the biblical times many “slaves” could buy back their
>>>>> freedom from the monies earned for their work. Some never opted out,
>>>>> content
>>>>> to work for their living and get a little spending money on top of all the
>>>>> other benefits provided them. Bigots will never understand what I am
>>>>> saying,
>>>>> and they would be the same type of people who would treat their slaves
>>>>> poorly and beat them, like they do here with their harsh words and bad
>>>>> attitudes.
>>>>
>>>> So you are a defender and apologist for slavery.
>>>
>>> I wouldn’t put it that way at all. I just understand the various meanings
>>> for the one English word called slavery.
>>
>> No, there aren't "various meanings" for slavery. A slave
>> is a person who is owned by another person, a practice
>> which you obviously condone.
>
> https://www.antislavery.org/slavery-today/
>
> https://www.antislavery.org/slavery-today/modern-slavery/
>
> https://www.antislavery.org/slavery-today/slavery-uk/
>
> None of this has to do with religions.
>
>>> Do you work as an employee? If so, what are the does and don’t’s of your
>>> life as an employee. What ‘carrots’ do they dangle in front of you, what
>>> actual freedoms do you have to keep on being an employee. Think about it.
>>
>> Pure hyperbole. False equivalence.
>
> What makes you think so? Too tired to think, or are you just another frog in
> a pot of boiling water.
>>
>>
>>> A few years back there were a group of multi-million dollar paid football
>>> players who made a point out of their slavery by the white man, and what
>>> they
>>
>> That's MX-stupid.
>
> Nevertheless it was well stated in the news.
>>
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>>> If slavery was justified in the past, don't you think
>>>> it's still justifiable now? If not, what has changed?
>>>
>>> The name. Is not China the largest slave industry in the world? What about
>>> pimps and their women?
>>> What about employee’s and employers? What about people on the dole? People
>>> that are slaves to their drugs of choice. What about the countries
>>> controlled by Dictators?
>>>
>>> My point is, in one way or another many are slaves.
>>
>> I'll take that as a "yes slavery is still perfectly
>> justified because political prisoners in Red China are
>> forced to make plastic toys for Happy Meals."
>
> All forms of slavery are NOT justified, never said or intimidated that it is.
> You just blew your cred's irretrievably also showed an inability to reason.
>
>>
>>
>> Did you not read Creon's post about Parker? You are
>> Exhibit A for putting biblical dogma above conscience.
>
> I don’t remember seeing it much less reading it.
> Your rationale, as well as his, is based on bias’, if that is your
> conclusion.
>
> Historically there has been many forms of slavery, slave owners, treatment of
> Slaves, and in the Bible, Joseph was a slave in Egypt yet out of that he
> became ruler of all of Egypt ruling with the same authority as the Pharaoh
> that was alive at the time.
>>
>> Welcome to the 21st century, Robert. You should be
>> ashamed of yourself.
>
> Not one bit. Because you are unable to reason, understand, or even think in
> regards to this subject is on you, not me.
> Too bad you never had a class on American history and the various forms of
> slavery.
>
> Would you rather a family starve to death rather than indenture themselves as
> a slave to survive poor economic times, droughts, etc,?
>
> slave | sleɪv
>
> noun
>
> 1 a person who is forced to work for and obey another and is considered to be
> their property; an enslaved person: they kidnapped entire towns and turned
> the inhabitants into slaves | vodun derives from ancient African rites and
> beliefs brought to the New World by slaves.
>
> • a person who works very hard without proper remuneration or appreciation:
> by the time I was ten, I had become her slave, doing all the housework.
>
> • a person who is excessively dependent upon or controlled by something:
> the poorest people of the world are slaves to the banks | she was no slave to
> fashion.
>
> 2 a device, or part of one, directly controlled by another. Compare with
> master1:[as modifier] : a slave cassette deck.
>
> verb
>
> 1 [no object] work excessively hard: after slaving away for fourteen years
> all he gets is two thousand | I haven't got time to spend hours slaving over
> a hot stove.
>
> 2 [with object] subject (a device) to control by another: should the need
> arise, the two channels can be slaved together.
>
> 3 [with object] archaic make (someone) a slave; enslave.
>
> ORIGIN
>
> Middle English: shortening of Old French esclave, equivalent of medieval
> Latin sclava (feminine) ‘Slavonic (captive)’: the Slavonic peoples had
> been reduced to a servile state by conquest in the 9th century.
>
>
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