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Subject: Re: EV News. Things are not going so well for EVs
From: Maximus
Newsgroups: alt.atheism
Date: Wed, 15 May 2024 03:41 UTC
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From: gladiator@colosseum.rome (Maximus)
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Subject: Re: EV News. Things are not going so well for EVs
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Mitchell Holman wrote:
> Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> wrote in
> news:laidi3Flgh2U1@mid.individual.net:
>
>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>> "Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote in
>>> news:v1vo2c$6as5$1@dont-email.me:
>>>
>>>> "Mitchell Holman" wrote in message
>>>> news:XnsB1724F4FCE480629555@185.151.15.190...
>>>>> "Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote in
>>>>> news:v1vjju$59gl$1@dont-email.me:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Mitchell Holman" wrote in message
>>>>>> news:XnsB17054324EE56629555@185.151.15.160...
>>>>>>> Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> wrote in news:laamjtFgg1bU1
>>>>>>> @mid.individual.net:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> wrote in news:laad7cFf6mdU1
>>>>>>>>> @mid.individual.net:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>> news:663fa0de$0$6449$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <XnsB16F5B33EFF8C629555@185.151.15.160>,
>>>>>>>>>>>> noemail@aol.com says...
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:663f7342$0
>>>>>>>>> $2363145
>>>>>>>>>>>>> $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <XnsB16F51A986A23629555@185.151.15.190>,
>>>>>>> noemail@aol.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> says...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:v1nnh7$219nd$1@dont-email.me:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Most people don't like recharging their phones every
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> day. They don't want to be recharging their cars as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> well.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bullshit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I charge mine in my garage once a week.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No more visits to gas stations, no more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> oil changes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When is the last you gassed up your car
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at home?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A gas tank is cheaper than a battery.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> My battery is holding up fine.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> How is the same type of battery
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in your phone holding up?
>>>>>>>>>>>> Just fine. But not everyones is. I would rather replace a
>>>>>>>>>>>> fuel tank then a battery for a Barbie car.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Gassing up your car = $80 per week.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Charging up my car = free
>>>>>>>>>> it aint free. there's the cost of the electricity. also,
>>>>>>>>>> recent
>>>>>>> studies
>>>>>>>>>> show EV's are less economical to own and run ICE cars
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Fuel - the electricity required to
>>>>>>>>> drive 15,000 miles per year in a
>>>>>>>>> compact electric vehicle costs an
>>>>>>>>> average of $546, while the amount
>>>>>>>>> of gas required to drive the same
>>>>>>>>> distance costs $1,255 (or 130%) more.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Maintenance/Repair/Tires
>>>>>>>> tyres and brakes still have to be replaced. and probably more
>>>>>>> frequently
>>>>>>>> due to EV's being much heavier. the cost of repair is greater,
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> often
>>>>>>>> not even possible.
>>>>>>> Cost of what repair?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My EV has maybe a dozen or
>>>>>>> so moving parts at best. After
>>>>>>> five years of driving the only
>>>>>>> thing I replaced are tires and
>>>>>>> a windshield.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> You're trying to ignore the future.
>>>>> No, I am stating the present from
>>>>> my personal experience with the issue
>>>>> which you have none.
>>>>>
>>>> Your experience is fairly short. But you ignore what other owners
>>>> and experts are saying.
>>>> Maybe EVs are good for you but they're not for everyone everywhere.
>>>>
>>> Actually you are right. EV's
>>> are not for everyone everywhere,
>>> no one said they were. And ICE
>>> vehicles are not for everyone
>>> everywhere.
>>>
>> where are ICE vehicles not suitable transport where EV's would be?
>>
> On the Moon. And Mars. Anywhere
> where silent tansport is critical,
> anywhere where hauling around large
> quantities of liguid fuel is a
> handicap.
>
>
>
>>> Silent But Deadly: The Case for
>>> Electrifying Military Vehicles
>>> NOV 17, 2023
>>> https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/a45782025/military-ev/
>>>
>> "..the verbiage specifically references non-combat vehicles used to
>> get around military posts and bases"
>>
>>> U.S. Military Wants Its Vehicles to Go Electric
>>> 2/4/2022
>>> https://www.nationaldefensemagazine.org/articles/2022/2/4/military-wan
>>> ts- its--vehicles-to-go-electricwith-detroits-help
>>>
>> "..focused on developing a zero emissions non-tactical vehicle fleet"
>>
>>> Ukraine Military Is Using Electric Bikes
>>> For Stealth Anti-Tank Weapon Transport
>>> JUNE 6, 2022
>>> https://www.urbanelectro.com/blog/battlefield-bikes-ukraine-military-i
>>> s- using-electric-bikes-for-stealth-anti-tank-weapon-transport
>>>
>> big deal.
>>
>> the idea of having electric combat vehicles is ludicrous.
>
> Really? If you need to sneak 200
> pounds of weapons 30 miles behind enemy
> lines in an hour how else are you going
> to do it? As the Ukraine has shown
> electic motorcycles do the trick.
>

those are not combat vehicles they're transport vehicles

>
>> fuel can be
>> transported to where it's needed. electric vehicles need a charging
>> facility available. tanks can be heard a mile away, what difference
>> would electric drive make? etc., etc.,
>
> Hauling tons of fuel to a remote
> location is cumbersome, hauling an
> array of solar panels is lighter and
> does not need constant replenishment.

how many solar panels are needed to charge a platoon of tanks

>
>
>
> US Department of Defense embracing
> electric military vehicles using
> GM’s Ultium Platform
> Oct 7 2022
> https://electrek.co/2022/10/07/us-department-of-defense-embracing-
> electric-military-vehicles/
>

"Electric vehicles taking over the battlefield is only a matter of time.
As battery technology like GM’s Ultium Platform advances, it enables
longer travel distances, more power, and better performance. Most
importantly, electric vehicles are quieter, more powerful, can
accelerate faster, and are technologically superior, making them the
perfect choice for the military. The US Army and Navy are aiming for
net-zero emissions by 2050, while the Air Force is committing to 2046.
Electric vehicles will likely play a critical role in the military as
they look to achieve these objectives."

it will take time

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By: Mitchell Holman on Sat, 11 May 2024

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