On 2024-12-01, 186282@ud0s4.net <186283@ud0s4.net> wrote:
> On 11/30/24 8:49 PM, pothead wrote:
>> On 2024-12-01, 186282@ud0s4.net <186283@ud0s4.net> wrote:
>>> On 11/30/24 9:49 AM, pothead wrote:
>>>> On 2024-11-30, 186282@ud0s4.net <186283@ud0s4.net> wrote:
>>>>> On 11/28/24 8:56 AM, pothead wrote:
>>>>>> On 2024-11-28, 186282@ud0s4.net <186283@ud0s4.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> NewsNation Live :
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Course at the New College of Florida - Dr. Doyle frames
>>>>>>> 'woke' as a sort of CULT, which despite claims of liberal
>>>>>>> sentiment is fundamentally illiberal. This witch-hunting
>>>>>>> instinct came out early and often and resulted in mass
>>>>>>> intimidation/threat/violence even in colleges and most
>>>>>>> certainly beyond. No Truth but THEIR Truth and infidels
>>>>>>> must be crushed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In short, what we see with ISIS or the Taliban - just
>>>>>>> a different fanatical 'religion'.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Six months ago, the college wouldn't have DARED offer
>>>>>>> a class like this - too scary, too 'controversial',
>>>>>>> too likely to incite wokie violence.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Oh, and Jeezus nuts ... some of YOU sound the same way
>>>>>>> as the wokies - again just another religion.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1st Amendment was 1st for GOOD REASONS. Best to THANK
>>>>>>> the Founders for their insight and wisdom rather than
>>>>>>> piss on their graves.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And to think I had to sit through 4 credit courses in:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Calculus
>>>>>> Differential Equations
>>>>>> Statics
>>>>>> Dynamics
>>>>>> etc....
>>>>>> All using a basic calculator.
>>>>>
>>>>> They let you use a calculator ? :-)
>>>>
>>>> Well I started with a slide rule however as soon as everyone in a class could
>>>> afford a calculator, we were allowed to use them.
>>>> It happened mostly due to donations allowing the school to purchase
>>>> calculators for the students to use.
>>>> Much better than a slide rule.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> My math skills are inherently poor alas, which
>>>>> blocked me from going further into science or
>>>>> engineering. Oddly I "get" computer math and
>>>>> wound up with a long career in that field. Could
>>>>> use books to figure out how to encode more
>>>>> complex math solutions into my code. All hail
>>>>> FORTRAN !
>>>>
>>>> My computer skills sucked.
>>>> I also learned FORTRAN which at the time was standard for engineering students.
>>>
>>>
>>> Still there, still updated, still used, still good :-)
>>>
>>> Would suggest F90 and above for current uses.
>>
>> Too many bad memories of Fibonacci sequences.
>> lol!
>>
>>>
>>>>> Anyway, early on, the only 'calculator' they let
>>>>> you use was a SLIDE RULE. Still have a few. MAY
>>>>> still have my original pocket calculator, Panasonic
>>>>> with the green VFD display, and it probably still
>>>>> works. Bought a TI next but the little chicklet
>>>>> keys went bad too fast.
>>>>
>>>> My first was a TI-Basic calculator.
>>>> I graduated to a Sperry Remington scientific later on.
>>>>
>>>> <http://www.arithmomuseum.com/album.php?cat=c&id=92&lang=en>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hmm ... early Casio sold under non-Japanese-sounding name.
>>> The 10 function keys + pi oughtta cover a lot of needs though.
>>
>> The biggest problem with calculators at my time was the lack of hyperbolic functions.
>> I eventually graduated to an APF calculator and then to a TI which hada 100% useless
>> mag strip reader.
>> It was unreliable at best and the buttons were too stiff.
>>
>>> For programming something that'll cleanly do logical AND/OR/XOR/NAND
>>> and such plus base2/8/10/16 conversions saves a lot of time. Harder
>>> to find is something that will do wide base2 math - at least 32
>>> bits worth. Had to program a 64 bit base2->base10 calc once for
>>> some fan-writ episode of Duke Nukem.
>> Interesting.
>> I did not know that.
>>
>>
>>> Then there are the HP Reverse-Polish-Notation masochists,
>>> essentially a calculator implementation of the FORTH language :-)
>>
>> One kid in my class's father worked for NASA and he had an HP calculator.
>> We used to play lunar lander on it.
>>
>> I eventually purchased as my last calculator an HP-41CV with one or two modules.
>> I still have it but the battery pack leaked so it needs repair.
>>
>>
>>> Oh ... one of my favorite movie lines ... German ex-commando
>>> handed something written by Russians. The line was "This is
>>> Cyrillic alphabet - like all the keys you never push on
>>> a calculator !"
>>
>> ROTFLMAO!
>
> Ah, I remember, it was in one of those "Transformers" movies.
> Despite the extreme absurdism and clear commercial angle most
> were surprisingly well done and well acted.

Lot's of movies and kid shows always slip something in for the adults.
When my kids were growing up my husband was reluctant to attend things like
Disney On Ice until his beer buddies told him of the somewhat graphic shots of the
females in skimpy outfits.
One show and he was always eager for the next one.
LOL !
And that was when Disney was actually "snow white".
I shudder to think what it's like these days.

>>>>> All that aside, that a college would now DARE
>>>>> offer a Wokie-critical class is significant.
>>>>> This time last year big riot mobs of Wokies
>>>>> would have descended, screamed about -isms
>>>>> and -ists, and created mayhem to prevent any
>>>>> truths but theirs from being uttered.
>>>>
>>>> It shows how far into the sewer our country has sunk.
>>>> We argue about which bathroom to use while Russia is training scientists to
>>>> build the next hypersonic weapon.
>>>
>>> Yep ... a VERY rude awakening could be on the horizon.
>>
>> Indeed.
>
> Worrisome.

Very.

The younger generation woke up and realized this which is why they supported Trump.

This year at thanksgiving get together all the younger people were talking about is how
they are so screwed and will probably never achieve the American dream.
They are, as a group, very discouraged but are mobilizing on social media and fighting back.
They get it.

What did puzzle me was that older folks, like myself, were upset that Trump won.
They were actually convinced that he was going to take away their medicare, SS and so forth.
I was stunned.
Bottom line is these are the people still hooked on legacy media, Fox, CNN, NPR, MSNBC and they
believe what they are fed.
That is scary.

I have not seen stats documenting the demographics but I am interested.

> The USA/EU/NATO has fallen WELL behind the curve. We
> have reached the point where it's nuke-war or NOTHING,
> which is NOT a great position to be in.

You can say that again.
I think that Putin and Trump both realize this and since they are somewhat
old school that is the last thing they want.
I suspect an agreement will be reached which gives all sides the opportunity
to save face and still get at least some of what they are interested in.
Just my opinion.

>
>>> Consider too ... the US/EU goes into huge moral angst and
>>> paralysis at the thought of building autonomous mil hunter-
>>> killer drones. Russia and esp China have NO problems with
>>> those. "ID Enemy, KILL Enemy" would be the whole of their
>>> mission. China could pump 'em out by the thousands and
>>> millions. If anybody can figure out how to do the trick
>>> of pin-prick brained flies/mosquitoes that makes 'em
>>> almost impossible to swat ... yikes !
>>
>> I have to wonder what will happen to NATO when the enemy attacks?
>> Unless the various military units are hiding technology, we are not even
>> close to being prepared.
>
> Have NOT seen any signs of 'secret tech' that could
> repel even a non-nuke Russian effort. Once the USSR
> fell apart the mindset was "Russia ? No Problem EVER
> Again" and they let everything crumble.

Me either.
The USA still has ancient nukes, not that we would use them.
We are ahead in aircraft and possibly technology but at the same
time we seem fragmented instead of united.

Personally I feel the draft, maybe at a lower level should be reinstated.
Meaning taking basket weaving in college won't excuse you but taking Maths, engineering, medical, financial, etcc
will.
IOW useful to America degrees.

>> And my suspicion is it's going to be every country for itself in some massive WW3.
>> I hope not.
>
> Just can't HAVE a WW3 ... wouldn't be anything worth
> shit left afterwards. Survivors would be SHORT TERM
> survivors - just dying slower and more horribly. This
> has been the truth since the 60s and has not changed.
> We CAN totally ruin the planet for anything this side
> of bacteria.

Yep. Enter Trump and Putin negotiating.
Neither wants a nuke war.

> Sorry, ain't billions of years left for the bacteria to
> improve themselves worth a damn ... the sun will eat
> us before then. We're kinda IT so far as Earth goes.
>
> My HOPE is that both Trump and Putin - being of an
> older gen - still REALIZE all this. The younger
> set seems oblivious ... "We will just hide in the
> basement for a week and then everything will be ok.
> We'll watch NetFlix until then ...." They are SO
> habituated to today's "normal" they cannot imagine
> anything different. You'd think Ukraine and Sudan
> and Gaza might educate, but they don't.

Bingo.
Spot on.

> Oh, we have under 2 billion years to clear off of Earth
> and barely 4 billion to get well clear of this whole
> galaxy before Andromeda impacts ...... better get AT
> it promptly, WON'T be easy ........

Nope.

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pothead

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