On 11/17/2024 6:30 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
> J Carlson <j_carlson@gmx.com> wrote in news:vhbq8a$f9f2$2@dont-email.me:
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>> On 11/16/2024 6:58 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>> J Carlson <j_carlson@gmx.com> wrote in
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>>>> On 11/16/2024 11:38 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>> J Carlson <j_carlson@gmx.com> wrote in
>>>>> news:vhahkp$3h0f$1@dont-email.me:
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>>>>>> On 11/16/2024 6:31 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>>> J Carlson <j_carlson@gmx.com> wrote in
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>>>>>>>> On 11/15/2024 7:39 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>>>>> J Carlson <j_carlson@gmx.com> wrote in
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>>>>>>>>>> On 11/14/2024 6:55 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Klaus Schadenfreude
>>>>>>>>>>> <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com> wrote in
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>>>>>>>>>>>> [Default] Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> typed:
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>>>>>>>>>>>>> Klaus Schadenfreude
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com> wrote in
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sanity Returns <cracking@nuts.org> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:vh3sd6$1rld$1 @news.tambov.ru:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:vh1msm$23vjs$2@dont-email.me:
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sanity Returns wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> President-elect Donald Trump has appointed former ICE
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Director Tom Homan as the new 'Border Czar,' signaling
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a tough, approach to immigration. Homan, known for his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fiery confrontations with Democrats and his unwavering
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stance on deportation, is set to lead Trump's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aggressive immigration plan, which aims to deport
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> millions of undocumented migrants.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I see he is still negotiating bribes from agricultural
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> monopolies.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Doubtful. They don't have enough money.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You need to get with the times. Automation has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eliminated much of the need for migrant labor.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In your dreams. There's still millions employed in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> agriculture, and we import something like 51% of our
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> food.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not all of them are illegal. But they will self-deport
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> soon.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> And you will take their place in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the fields and slaughterhouses and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> nursing home bedpan crews, right?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> There are plenty of legals to take care of that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> So where are they when growers need them?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> There is *zero* doubt that the presence of lots of low-skill
>>>>>>>>>> unauthorized immigrants depresses the wages for farm labor
>>>>>>>>>> below a level that American citizens and authorized immigrants
>>>>>>>>>> will accept to work in agriculture. But low grocery prices is
>>>>>>>>>> not an argument for allowing immigrants to enter the country
>>>>>>>>>> without authorization. Every reasonable effort should be made
>>>>>>>>>> to prevent illegal entry into the country and to remove, in a
>>>>>>>>>> non-chaotic manner, those who are here. NOTE: "reasonable"
>>>>>>>>>> means "no $100 billion wall."
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 1. secure the border; stop unauthorized entry
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> No president has done that.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But it unequivocally *should* be done.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 2. create a temporary worker program
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Why didn't Trump do that before?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mostly because Trump is a failure. But doing it requires
>>>>>>>> congressional action.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 3. gradually but steadily, locate and deport unauthorized
>>>>>>>>>> immigrants
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> At $10,000 per migrant.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Supposedly. I don't believe those numbers, and you have nothing
>>>>>>>> to support them.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/k3jnek7y
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From *your* source:
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "the average cost of a deportation, also
>>>>> referred to as a removal, was $10,854 in
>>>>> FY 2016, including apprehension, detention,
>>>>> and processing."
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Researchers agree that illegal immigrants overwhelmingly
>>>>>> have modest levels of education — most have not completed
>>>>>> high school or have only a high school education. There is
>>>>>> also agreement that immigrants with this level of education
>>>>>> are a significant net fiscal drain, creating more in costs
>>>>>> for government than they pay in taxes.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> So Americans with only high school
>>>>> educations are a "drain" that "costs
>>>>> the government". Should we deport them
>>>>> as well?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> The NAS estimated the lifetime fiscal impact (taxes paid
>>>>>> minus services used) of immigrants based on their
>>>>>> educational attainment. Averaging those estimates and
>>>>>> applying them to the education level of illegal immigrants
>>>>>> shows a net fiscal drain of $65,292 per illegal —
>>>>>> excluding any costs for their children.2
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Based on this estimate, there is a total lifetime fiscal
>>>>>> drain of $746.3 billion. This assumes 11.43 million illegal
>>>>>> immigrants are in the country based on the U.S. government's
>>>>>> most recent estimate.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The fiscal cost created by illegal immigrants of $746.3
>>>>>> billion compares to total a cost of deportation of $124.1
>>>>>> billion, assuming a FY 2016 cost per deportation, or $67.6
>>>>>> billion using FY 2012 deportation costs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So the net fiscal effect of not deporting them vastly exceeds the
>>>>>> cost of deporting them. Your case is demolished.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But you never had a case anyway. There are lots of things you
>>>>>> think should be done that cost money with no fiscal return.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> From the URL you deleted:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Each deportation
>>>>
>>>> You already said that. Why do you dishonestly, and in bad faith,
>>>
>>>
>>> You delete the proof
>>
>> *You* delete the proof, from your *own* site, that shows the fiscal
>> cost of leaving illegals here *exceeds* the cost of deporting them. Go
>> back and look at your citation, you liar.
>>
>>>
>>>> ignore *your* source's documentation that the fiscal effects of not
>>>> deporting them *exceed* the cost of deporting them?
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The part you deleted
>>
>> The part *you* refuse to read and acknowledge proves that the cost of
>> *not* deporting them exceeds the cost of deporting them.
>>
>> Why are you so dishonest? Why do you not acknowledge *all* of what
>> your citation says, instead of just cherry-picking?
>>
>
>
> My claim was the cost of deportation.

Yes, a nonsense claim as it only looks at one part of the fiscal effects of
unauthorized immigrants. I proved to you, using *your* own source, that the
fiscal cost of leaving them in the country is *six times* higher than the fiscal
cost of deporting them.

You're not really concerned with the fiscal cost of deportation. We know what
your and Lee's real concern is: as racist proggie extremists, the two of you
both believe that America is "too white," and unrestricted immigration from
Latin America is how you want to make American less white. That's a racist point
of view.