J Carlson <j_carlson@gmx.com> wrote in news:vhbq8a$f9f2$2@dont-email.me:

> On 11/16/2024 6:58 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>> J Carlson <j_carlson@gmx.com> wrote in
>> news:vhasrq$4ciq$5@dont-email.me:
>>
>>> On 11/16/2024 11:38 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>> J Carlson <j_carlson@gmx.com> wrote in
>>>> news:vhahkp$3h0f$1@dont-email.me:
>>>>
>>>>> On 11/16/2024 6:31 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>> J Carlson <j_carlson@gmx.com> wrote in
>>>>>> news:vh98e6$3rp0c$4@dont-email.me:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 11/15/2024 7:39 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>>>> J Carlson <j_carlson@gmx.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>> news:vh88kg$3ho98$1@dont-email.me:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 11/14/2024 6:55 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Klaus Schadenfreude
>>>>>>>>>> <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>> news:rrlcjjtoainkmkfni3bj2v1m4ej4s47dgd@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forgi
>>>>>>>>>> ng .c oc ks uck ing.dwarf.com:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> [Default] Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> typed:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Klaus Schadenfreude
>>>>>>>>>>>> <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>> news:uvacjjhper5oi93njrrm7i25ku2rmi9nid@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.for
>>>>>>>>>>>> gi ng .c oc ksu ckin g.dwarf.com:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sanity Returns <cracking@nuts.org> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:vh3sd6$1rld$1 @news.tambov.ru:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:vh1msm$23vjs$2@dont-email.me:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sanity Returns wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> President-elect Donald Trump has appointed former ICE
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Director Tom Homan as the new 'Border Czar,' signaling
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a tough, approach to immigration. Homan, known for his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fiery confrontations with Democrats and his unwavering
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stance on deportation, is set to lead Trump's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aggressive immigration plan, which aims to deport
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> millions of undocumented migrants.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I see he is still negotiating bribes from agricultural
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> monopolies.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Doubtful. They don't have enough money.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You need to get with the times. Automation has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eliminated much of the need for migrant labor.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In your dreams. There's still millions employed in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> agriculture, and we import something like 51% of our
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> food.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not all of them are illegal. But they will self-deport
>>>>>>>>>>>>> soon.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> And you will take their place in
>>>>>>>>>>>> the fields and slaughterhouses and
>>>>>>>>>>>> nursing home bedpan crews, right?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> There are plenty of legals to take care of that.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So where are they when growers need them?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There is *zero* doubt that the presence of lots of low-skill
>>>>>>>>> unauthorized immigrants depresses the wages for farm labor
>>>>>>>>> below a level that American citizens and authorized immigrants
>>>>>>>>> will accept to work in agriculture. But low grocery prices is
>>>>>>>>> not an argument for allowing immigrants to enter the country
>>>>>>>>> without authorization. Every reasonable effort should be made
>>>>>>>>> to prevent illegal entry into the country and to remove, in a
>>>>>>>>> non-chaotic manner, those who are here. NOTE: "reasonable"
>>>>>>>>> means "no $100 billion wall."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 1. secure the border; stop unauthorized entry
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No president has done that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But it unequivocally *should* be done.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 2. create a temporary worker program
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Why didn't Trump do that before?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mostly because Trump is a failure. But doing it requires
>>>>>>> congressional action.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 3. gradually but steadily, locate and deport unauthorized
>>>>>>>>> immigrants
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> At $10,000 per migrant.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Supposedly. I don't believe those numbers, and you have nothing
>>>>>>> to support them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/k3jnek7y
>>>>>
>>>>> From *your* source:
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "the average cost of a deportation, also
>>>> referred to as a removal, was $10,854 in
>>>> FY 2016, including apprehension, detention,
>>>> and processing."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Researchers agree that illegal immigrants overwhelmingly
>>>>> have modest levels of education — most have not completed
>>>>> high school or have only a high school education. There is
>>>>> also agreement that immigrants with this level of education
>>>>> are a significant net fiscal drain, creating more in costs
>>>>> for government than they pay in taxes.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So Americans with only high school
>>>> educations are a "drain" that "costs
>>>> the government". Should we deport them
>>>> as well?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> The NAS estimated the lifetime fiscal impact (taxes paid
>>>>> minus services used) of immigrants based on their
>>>>> educational attainment. Averaging those estimates and
>>>>> applying them to the education level of illegal immigrants
>>>>> shows a net fiscal drain of $65,292 per illegal —
>>>>> excluding any costs for their children.2
>>>>>
>>>>> Based on this estimate, there is a total lifetime fiscal
>>>>> drain of $746.3 billion. This assumes 11.43 million illegal
>>>>> immigrants are in the country based on the U.S. government's
>>>>> most recent estimate.
>>>>>
>>>>> The fiscal cost created by illegal immigrants of $746.3
>>>>> billion compares to total a cost of deportation of $124.1
>>>>> billion, assuming a FY 2016 cost per deportation, or $67.6
>>>>> billion using FY 2012 deportation costs.
>>>>>
>>>>> So the net fiscal effect of not deporting them vastly exceeds the
>>>>> cost of deporting them. Your case is demolished.
>>>>>
>>>>> But you never had a case anyway. There are lots of things you
>>>>> think should be done that cost money with no fiscal return.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From the URL you deleted:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Each deportation
>>>
>>> You already said that. Why do you dishonestly, and in bad faith,
>>
>>
>> You delete the proof
>
> *You* delete the proof, from your *own* site, that shows the fiscal
> cost of leaving illegals here *exceeds* the cost of deporting them. Go
> back and look at your citation, you liar.
>
>>
>>> ignore *your* source's documentation that the fiscal effects of not
>>> deporting them *exceed* the cost of deporting them?
>>>
>>
>>
>> The part you deleted
>
> The part *you* refuse to read and acknowledge proves that the cost of
> *not* deporting them exceeds the cost of deporting them.
>
> Why are you so dishonest? Why do you not acknowledge *all* of what
> your citation says, instead of just cherry-picking?
>

My claim was the cost of deportation.

YOU diverted the discussion and deleted
every reference.