On 11/16/2024 6:58 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
> J Carlson <j_carlson@gmx.com> wrote in news:vhasrq$4ciq$5@dont-email.me:
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>> On 11/16/2024 11:38 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>> J Carlson <j_carlson@gmx.com> wrote in
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>>>> On 11/16/2024 6:31 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>> J Carlson <j_carlson@gmx.com> wrote in
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>>>>>> On 11/15/2024 7:39 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>>> J Carlson <j_carlson@gmx.com> wrote in
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>>>>>>>> On 11/14/2024 6:55 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Klaus Schadenfreude
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>>>>>>>>>> [Default] Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> typed:
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>>>>>>>>>>> Klaus Schadenfreude
>>>>>>>>>>> <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com> wrote in
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>>>>>>>>>>>> [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
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>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sanity Returns <cracking@nuts.org> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:vh3sd6$1rld$1 @news.tambov.ru:
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:vh1msm$23vjs$2@dont-email.me:
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sanity Returns wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> President-elect Donald Trump has appointed former ICE
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Director Tom Homan as the new 'Border Czar,' signaling a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tough, approach to immigration. Homan, known for his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fiery confrontations with Democrats and his unwavering
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stance on deportation, is set to lead Trump's aggressive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> immigration plan, which aims to deport millions of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> undocumented migrants.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I see he is still negotiating bribes from agricultural
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> monopolies.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Doubtful. They don't have enough money.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You need to get with the times. Automation has eliminated
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> much of the need for migrant labor.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In your dreams. There's still millions employed in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> agriculture, and we import something like 51% of our food.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Not all of them are illegal. But they will self-deport soon.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> And you will take their place in
>>>>>>>>>>> the fields and slaughterhouses and
>>>>>>>>>>> nursing home bedpan crews, right?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> There are plenty of legals to take care of that.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So where are they when growers need them?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There is *zero* doubt that the presence of lots of low-skill
>>>>>>>> unauthorized immigrants depresses the wages for farm labor below
>>>>>>>> a level that American citizens and authorized immigrants will
>>>>>>>> accept to work in agriculture. But low grocery prices is not an
>>>>>>>> argument for allowing immigrants to enter the country without
>>>>>>>> authorization. Every reasonable effort should be made to prevent
>>>>>>>> illegal entry into the country and to remove, in a non-chaotic
>>>>>>>> manner, those who are here. NOTE: "reasonable" means "no $100
>>>>>>>> billion wall."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 1. secure the border; stop unauthorized entry
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No president has done that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But it unequivocally *should* be done.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2. create a temporary worker program
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why didn't Trump do that before?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mostly because Trump is a failure. But doing it requires
>>>>>> congressional action.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 3. gradually but steadily, locate and deport unauthorized
>>>>>>>> immigrants
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> At $10,000 per migrant.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Supposedly. I don't believe those numbers, and you have nothing to
>>>>>> support them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/k3jnek7y
>>>>
>>>> From *your* source:
>>>>
>>>
>>> "the average cost of a deportation, also
>>> referred to as a removal, was $10,854 in
>>> FY 2016, including apprehension, detention,
>>> and processing."
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Researchers agree that illegal immigrants overwhelmingly have
>>>> modest levels of education — most have not completed high
>>>> school or have only a high school education. There is also
>>>> agreement that immigrants with this level of education are a
>>>> significant net fiscal drain, creating more in costs for
>>>> government than they pay in taxes.
>>>
>>>
>>> So Americans with only high school
>>> educations are a "drain" that "costs
>>> the government". Should we deport them
>>> as well?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> The NAS estimated the lifetime fiscal impact (taxes paid minus
>>>> services used) of immigrants based on their educational
>>>> attainment. Averaging those estimates and applying them to the
>>>> education level of illegal immigrants shows a net fiscal drain
>>>> of $65,292 per illegal — excluding any costs for their
>>>> children.2
>>>>
>>>> Based on this estimate, there is a total lifetime fiscal drain
>>>> of $746.3 billion. This assumes 11.43 million illegal
>>>> immigrants are in the country based on the U.S. government's
>>>> most recent estimate.
>>>>
>>>> The fiscal cost created by illegal immigrants of $746.3 billion
>>>> compares to total a cost of deportation of $124.1 billion,
>>>> assuming a FY 2016 cost per deportation, or $67.6 billion using
>>>> FY 2012 deportation costs.
>>>>
>>>> So the net fiscal effect of not deporting them vastly exceeds the
>>>> cost of deporting them. Your case is demolished.
>>>>
>>>> But you never had a case anyway. There are lots of things you think
>>>> should be done that cost money with no fiscal return.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From the URL you deleted:
>>>
>>>
>>> "Each deportation
>>
>> You already said that. Why do you dishonestly, and in bad faith,
>
>
> You delete the proof

*You* delete the proof, from your *own* site, that shows the fiscal cost of
leaving illegals here *exceeds* the cost of deporting them. Go back and look at
your citation, you liar.

>
>> ignore *your* source's documentation that the fiscal effects of not
>> deporting them *exceed* the cost of deporting them?
>>
>
>
> The part you deleted

The part *you* refuse to read and acknowledge proves that the cost of *not*
deporting them exceeds the cost of deporting them.

Why are you so dishonest? Why do you not acknowledge *all* of what your citation
says, instead of just cherry-picking?