On Sat, 16 Nov 2024 19:38:55 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com>
wrote:

>J Carlson <j_carlson@gmx.com> wrote in news:vhahkp$3h0f$1@dont-email.me:
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>> On 11/16/2024 6:31 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>> J Carlson <j_carlson@gmx.com> wrote in
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>>>> On 11/15/2024 7:39 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>> J Carlson <j_carlson@gmx.com> wrote in
>>>>> news:vh88kg$3ho98$1@dont-email.me:
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>>>>>> On 11/14/2024 6:55 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>>> Klaus Schadenfreude
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>>>>>>>> [Default] Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> typed:
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>>>>>>>>> Klaus Schadenfreude
>>>>>>>>> <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com> wrote in
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>>>>>>>>>> [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
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>>>>>>>>>>> Sanity Returns <cracking@nuts.org> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>> news:vh3sd6$1rld$1 @news.tambov.ru:
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>>>>>>>>>>>> Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>> news:vh1msm$23vjs$2@dont-email.me:
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>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sanity Returns wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> President-elect Donald Trump has appointed former ICE
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Director Tom Homan as the new 'Border Czar,' signaling a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tough, approach to immigration. Homan, known for his fiery
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> confrontations with Democrats and his unwavering stance on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> deportation, is set to lead Trump's aggressive immigration
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plan, which aims to deport millions of undocumented
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> migrants.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I see he is still negotiating bribes from agricultural
>>>>>>>>>>>>> monopolies.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Doubtful. They don't have enough money.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> You need to get with the times. Automation has eliminated
>>>>>>>>>>>> much of the need for migrant labor.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> In your dreams. There's still millions employed in
>>>>>>>>>>> agriculture, and we import something like 51% of our food.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Not all of them are illegal. But they will self-deport soon.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And you will take their place in
>>>>>>>>> the fields and slaughterhouses and
>>>>>>>>> nursing home bedpan crews, right?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There are plenty of legals to take care of that.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So where are they when growers need them?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is *zero* doubt that the presence of lots of low-skill
>>>>>> unauthorized immigrants depresses the wages for farm labor below a
>>>>>> level that American citizens and authorized immigrants will accept
>>>>>> to work in agriculture. But low grocery prices is not an argument
>>>>>> for allowing immigrants to enter the country without
>>>>>> authorization. Every reasonable effort should be made to prevent
>>>>>> illegal entry into the country and to remove, in a non-chaotic
>>>>>> manner, those who are here. NOTE: "reasonable" means "no $100
>>>>>> billion wall."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1. secure the border; stop unauthorized entry
>>>>>
>>>>> No president has done that.
>>>>
>>>> But it unequivocally *should* be done.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> 2. create a temporary worker program
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Why didn't Trump do that before?
>>>>
>>>> Mostly because Trump is a failure. But doing it requires
>>>> congressional action.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> 3. gradually but steadily, locate and deport unauthorized
>>>>>> immigrants
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> At $10,000 per migrant.
>>>>
>>>> Supposedly. I don't believe those numbers, and you have nothing to
>>>> support them.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> https://tinyurl.com/k3jnek7y
>>
>> From *your* source:
>>
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>"the average cost of a deportation, also
>referred to as a removal, was $10,854 in
>FY 2016, including apprehension, detention,
>and processing."
>
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>>
>> Researchers agree that illegal immigrants overwhelmingly have
>> modest levels of education — most have not completed high school
>> or have only a high school education. There is also agreement that
>> immigrants with this level of education are a significant net
>> fiscal drain, creating more in costs for government than they pay
>> in taxes.
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>
> So Americans with only high school
>educations are a "drain" that "costs
>the government". Should we deport them
>as well?
>
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>> The NAS estimated the lifetime fiscal impact (taxes paid minus
>> services used) of immigrants based on their educational
>> attainment. Averaging those estimates and applying them to the
>> education level of illegal immigrants shows a net fiscal drain of
>> $65,292 per illegal — excluding any costs for their children.2
>>
>> Based on this estimate, there is a total lifetime fiscal drain of
>> $746.3 billion. This assumes 11.43 million illegal immigrants are
>> in the country based on the U.S. government's most recent
>> estimate.
>>
>> The fiscal cost created by illegal immigrants of $746.3 billion
>> compares to total a cost of deportation of $124.1 billion,
>> assuming a FY 2016 cost per deportation, or $67.6 billion using FY
>> 2012 deportation costs.
>>
>> So the net fiscal effect of not deporting them vastly exceeds the cost
>> of deporting them. Your case is demolished.
>>
>> But you never had a case anyway. There are lots of things you think
>> should be done that cost money with no fiscal return.
>>
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> From the URL you deleted:
>
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>"Each deportation conducted by ICE cost
>taxpayers an average of $10,854 in fiscal
>2016, an official from the agency told
>CNNMoney"
>

Perhaps... if that's what it cost the Obama ICE in 2016.

>>>
>>>> The fact that it costs money doesn't mean it should not be done.
>>>> Lots of things that should be done cost money, and *you* support
>>>> spending the money to do them.
>>>
>>>
>>> Suppose you do deport them all,
>>> what then?
>>
>> Then we won't have the social and political irritant of having a huge
>> population of non-citizens who are here without authorization. You
>> seem to be unaware that that was a big part of the Democrats losing
>> the presidency and returning the corrupt felon and insurrectionist to
>> office.
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> Is that what this boils down to? Brown
>people doing jobs white people won't is an
>"irritant"?