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Subject: Re: Building new prisons causes more prisoners
From: Mitchell Holman
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Subject: Re: Building new prisons causes more prisoners
From: noemail@aol.com (Mitchell Holman)
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Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:67222d4c$0$1786
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> In article <XnsB21AD57623A5D629555@185.151.15.190>, noemail@aol.com
> says...
>>
>> "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in
>> news:vfqtn8$1jpg9$8@dont-email.me:
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > "Klaus Schadenfreude" <katt@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> > news:ROPTO.587229$1m96.550329@fx15.iad...
>> >> On 10/28/2024 7:52 AM, scooter, the drunken Virginia camper and
>> >> gutless chickenshit who is frightened to death of Rudy, lied:
>> >>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> "Klaus Schadenfreude" <katt@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> >>> news:TJOSO.207007$15a6.58477@fx12.iad...
>> >>>> On 10/25/2024 7:02 AM, scooter, the drunken Virginia camper and
>> >>>> gutless chickenshit who is frightened to death of Rudy, lied:
>> >>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> "Klaus Schadenfreude" <bks@panix.com> wrote in message
>> >>>>> news:XowSO.101994$S9Vb.43068@fx45.iad...
>> >>>>>> On 10/24/2024 8:24 AM, scooter, the drunken Virginia camper and
>> >>>>>> gutless chickenshit who is frightened to death of Rudy, lied:
>> >>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Skeeter-Shit "Lamey" Jack-Off Shit-4-Braincell, convicted
child
>> >>>>>>> molester and another fucking do-nothing, posted another
>> >>>>>>> content-free batch of lies:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> In article <vfdkis$2lias$1@dont-email.me>,
>> >>>>>>>> scooter, the drunken Virginia camper and gutless chickenshit
>> >>>>>>>> who is frightened to death of Rudy, lied:
>> >>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Skeeter-Shit "Lamey" Jack-Off Shit-4-Braincell, convicted
>> >>>>>>>>> child molester and another fucking do-nothing, posted
another
>> >>>>>>>>> content-free batch of lies:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> > In article <XnsB21483D3AA2DA629555@185.151.15.190>,
>> >>>>>>>>> > noemail@aol.com
>> >>>>>>>>> > says...
>> >>>>>>>>> >>
>> >>>>>>>>> >> scooter, the drunken Virginia camper and gutless
>> >>>>>>>>> >> chickenshit who is frightened to death of Rudy, lied:
>> >>
>> >>>>>>>>> >>
>> >>>>>>>>> >> >
>> >>>>>>>>> >> >
>> >>>>>>>>> >> > KKKlaun "Cunt Flaps" SchittenPantzen, impotent and
>> >>>>>>>>> >> > harmless Nazi >>
>> >>>>>>>>> > >> >
>> >>>>>>>>> fake Jew and cocksucking dwarf, lied:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> >> >> [Default] Rudy Canoza, the intellectual, moral,
>> >>>>>>>>> >> >> professional,
>> >>>>>>>>> >> >> >>
>> >>>>>>>>> >> >> >>
>> >>>>>>>>> social, literary and physical superior to KKKlaun >> >>
>> >>>>>>>>> SchittenPantzen, impotent and harmless Nazi fake Jew,
*wrote*:
>> >>
>> >> Yep! That certainly is the default, all right! *HA HA HA HA HA HA
>> >> HA HA HA*!
>> >>
>> >>>>>>>>> >> >> [...]
>> >>>>>>>>> >> All death sentences are more expensive
>> >>>>>>>>> >> than incarceration costs.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> That's only because we make it into a circus, if we chose to
>> >>>>>>>>> do so, we could
>> >>>>>>>>> make it much cheaper by instead of retrying the case over
and
>> >>>>>>>>> over and over,
>> >>>>>>>>> simply require that the defense show new evidence or new
cause
>> >>>>>>>>> for why the
>> >>>>>>>>> convicted could possibly be show to be innocent, that a
>> >>>>>>>>> procedural error was
>> >>>>>>>>> made during the trial, or that evidence/testimony was
>> >>>>>>>>> reasonably tainted,
>> >>>>>>>>> corrupted or otherwise improper.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> If you can't show that to the court.. the conviction stands
>> >>>>>>>>> and the execution proceeds on track.
>> >>>>>>>>> Further, put a time limit on the whole thing. Say 4 years.
If
>> >>>>>>>>> you can't make
>> >>>>>>>>> your case in that time... then it's all but certain you
never
>> >>>>>>>>> all. Finally, if it is rejected by the appeals court..
that's
>> >>>>>>>>> the end of it.
>> >>>>>>>>> There, I've just eliminated 95% of the cost. Freeing up
prison
>> >>>>>>>>> space and
>> >>>>>>>>> reducing expenses so we can house the next bad guy.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> >> But since you want
>> >>>>>>>>> >> these executions you don't mind paying for
>> >>>>>>>>> >> them, no?
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> We already are. However, if you feel the costs are too high,
>> >>>>>>>>> we can certainly streamline the process by eliminating long
>> >>>>>>>>> times you can file and
>> >>>>>>>>> appeal, the endless stream of appeals, and narrow it down to
a >> >>>>>>>>> simply
>> >>>>>>>>> hearing in which the defense presents their case to a judge
>> >>>>>>>>> who decides
>> >>>>>>>>> whether any of the facts established at trial would need to
be
>> >>>>>>>>> reexamined in
>> >>>>>>>>> the light of new evidence provided or proof of a procedural
or
>> >>>>>>>>> judicial
>> >>>>>>>>> error.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> If you can't.. then you have no case. and the execution can
be
>> >>>>>>>>> carried out
>> >>>>>>>>> immediately.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> See, it's not the execution that is so expensive but the
>> >>>>>>>>> endless round of
>> >>>>>>>>> appeals, stays, delays, and other legal maneuvers. As it is,
>> >>>>>>>>> you have the
>> >>>>>>>>> defense, a representative from the prosecutor's office and
the
>> >>>>>>>>> judge who can
>> >>>>>>>>> review any new evidence or proof of errors made during trial
>> >>>>>>>>> that could
>> >>>>>>>>> reasonably impact the jury's finding.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> 3 people.. maybe 2 hours... and if it fails we can carry out
>> >>>>>>>>> the execution
>> >>>>>>>>> that evening.. without muss, fuss, or great cost.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> > Bullshit.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> True, the only expense really is on the defense.. the judge
is
>> >>>>>>>>> already being
>> >>>>>>>>> paid a regular salary and the prosecutors similarly.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> However, if he wants to claim the appeal process is just too
>> >>>>>>>>> expensive.. I
>> >>>>>>>>> set out a plan above how to reduce that and the time needed
>> >>>>>>>>> for it.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> The only question now will be what his next excuse will be.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Just like when they say it costs to much to deport. Remove
the
>> >>>>>>>> red tape
>> >>>>>>>> and send the fuckers home. Pretty simple.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Yep, the cost to do so is minimal.. it's the BS that jacks up
>> >>>>>>> the price
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> That "BS" is what differentiates us from North Korea. If you
want
>> >>>>>> to live in North Korea, go right ahead, scooter. But we are not
>> >>>>>> going to emulate North Korea.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> The problem is with North Korea the border walls are to keep the
>> >>>>> people IN.. ours on the other hand would be to keep them OUT.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>> That's not the problem, scooter.
>> >>>
>> >>> We know it's not a problem to
>> >>
>> >> You don't understand anything about what is the problem, scooter.
>> >
>> > Your problem, thankfully, isn't my problem. You will have to work
out
>> > your problems on your own.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >>>
>> >>>> The problem is that North Korea is a despotic dictatorship, and
>> >>>> that is the only reason they don't have due process.
>> >>>
>> >>> Much like Democrats during the era of Jim Crow, right?
>> >>
>> >> All KKK and racists are Republiscums/QAnon today, scooter. The
>> >> parties switched on race, scooter. Catch up with the times,
scooter.
>> >
>> > No they didn't.
>> >
>> >
>>
>> Yes, they did.
>>
>> Racist Strom Thurmond switched
>> to the GOP, racist David Duke switched
>> to the GOP, racist George Wallace left
>> the GOP for his own racist party.
>>
> Joe trying to fuck up Harris campaign. Calling us "garbage".
>

That was Trump.

Trump calls the U.S. a "garbage can for the world"
Oct 25, 2024
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/watch-trump-calls-the-u-s-a-
garbage-can-for-the-world-at-campaign-event-in-austin-texas

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