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Subject: Re: Building new prisons causes more prisoners
From: Skeeter
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In article <uA8UO.345439$v8v2.226259@fx18.iad>, katt@gmail.com says...
>
> On 10/29/2024 7:49 AM, scooter, the drunken Virginia camper and gutless
> chickenshit who is frightened to death of Rudy, lied:
>
> >
> >
> > "Klaus Schadenfreude" <katt@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:ROPTO.587229$1m96.550329@fx15.iad...
> >> On 10/28/2024 7:52 AM, scooter, the drunken Virginia camper and gutless
> >> chickenshit who is frightened to death of Rudy, lied:
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> "Klaus Schadenfreude" <katt@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >>> news:TJOSO.207007$15a6.58477@fx12.iad...
> >>>> On 10/25/2024 7:02 AM, scooter, the drunken Virginia camper and gutless
> >>>> chickenshit who is frightened to death of Rudy, lied:
> >>
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "Klaus Schadenfreude" <bks@panix.com> wrote in message
> >>>>> news:XowSO.101994$S9Vb.43068@fx45.iad...
> >>>>>> On 10/24/2024 8:24 AM, scooter, the drunken Virginia camper and gutless
> >>>>>> chickenshit who is frightened to death of Rudy, lied:
> >>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Skeeter-Shit "Lamey" Jack-Off Shit-4-Braincell, convicted child molester
> >>>>>>> and another fucking do-nothing, posted another content-free batch of lies:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> In article <vfdkis$2lias$1@dont-email.me>,
> >>>>>>>> scooter, the drunken Virginia camper and gutless chickenshit who is
> >>>>>>>> frightened to death of Rudy, lied:
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Skeeter-Shit "Lamey" Jack-Off Shit-4-Braincell, convicted child
> >>>>>>>>> molester and another fucking do-nothing, posted another content-free
> >>>>>>>>> batch of lies:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> > In article <XnsB21483D3AA2DA629555@185.151.15.190>, > noemail@aol.com
> >>>>>>>>> > says...
> >>>>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>>>> >> scooter, the drunken Virginia camper and gutless chickenshit who >>
> >>>>>>>>> is frightened to death of Rudy, lied:
> >>
> >>>>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>>>> >> >
> >>>>>>>>> >> >
> >>>>>>>>> >> > KKKlaun "Cunt Flaps" SchittenPantzen, impotent and harmless >> >
> >>>>>>>>> Nazi >>
> >>>>>>>>> >  >> >
> >>>>>>>>> fake Jew and cocksucking dwarf, lied:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> >> >> [Default] Rudy Canoza, the intellectual, moral, professional, >>
> >>>>>>>>> >>  >>
> >>>>>>>>> >>  >> >>
> >>>>>>>>> social, literary and physical superior to KKKlaun >> >>
> >>>>>>>>> SchittenPantzen, impotent and harmless Nazi fake Jew, *wrote*:
> >>
> >> Yep!  That certainly is the default, all right!  *HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA*!
> >>
> >>>>>>>>> >> >> [...]
> >>>>>>>>> >>     All death sentences are more expensive
> >>>>>>>>> >> than incarceration costs.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> That's only because we make it into a circus, if we chose to do so, we
> >>>>>>>>> could
> >>>>>>>>> make it much cheaper by instead of retrying the case over and over and
> >>>>>>>>> over,
> >>>>>>>>> simply require that the defense show new evidence or new cause for why the
> >>>>>>>>> convicted could possibly be show to be innocent, that a procedural
> >>>>>>>>> error was
> >>>>>>>>> made during the trial, or that evidence/testimony was reasonably tainted,
> >>>>>>>>> corrupted or otherwise improper.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> If you can't show that to the court.. the conviction stands and the
> >>>>>>>>> execution proceeds on track.
> >>>>>>>>> Further, put a time limit on the whole thing. Say 4 years. If you can't
> >>>>>>>>> make
> >>>>>>>>> your case in that time... then it's all but certain you never all.
> >>>>>>>>> Finally, if it is rejected by the appeals court.. that's the end of it.
> >>>>>>>>> There, I've just eliminated 95% of the cost. Freeing up prison space and
> >>>>>>>>> reducing expenses so we can house the next bad guy.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> >> But since you want
> >>>>>>>>> >> these executions you don't mind paying for
> >>>>>>>>> >> them, no?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> We already are. However, if you feel the costs are too high, we can
> >>>>>>>>> certainly streamline the process by eliminating long times you can file
> >>>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>>> appeal, the endless stream of appeals, and narrow it down to a simply
> >>>>>>>>> hearing in which the defense presents their case to a judge who decides
> >>>>>>>>> whether any of the facts established at trial would need to be
> >>>>>>>>> reexamined in
> >>>>>>>>> the light of new evidence provided or proof of a procedural or judicial
> >>>>>>>>> error.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> If you can't.. then you have no case. and the execution can be carried out
> >>>>>>>>> immediately.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> See, it's not the execution that is so expensive but the endless round of
> >>>>>>>>> appeals, stays, delays, and other legal maneuvers. As it is, you have the
> >>>>>>>>> defense, a representative from the prosecutor's office and the judge
> >>>>>>>>> who can
> >>>>>>>>> review any new evidence or proof of errors made during trial that could
> >>>>>>>>> reasonably impact the jury's finding.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> 3 people.. maybe 2 hours... and if it fails we can carry out the execution
> >>>>>>>>> that evening.. without muss, fuss, or great cost.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> > Bullshit.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> True, the only expense really is on the defense.. the judge is already
> >>>>>>>>> being
> >>>>>>>>> paid a regular salary and the prosecutors similarly.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> However, if he wants to claim the appeal process is just too expensive.. I
> >>>>>>>>> set out a plan above how to reduce that and the time needed for it.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> The only question now will be what his next excuse will be.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Just like when they say it costs to much to deport. Remove the red tape
> >>>>>>>> and send the fuckers home. Pretty simple.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Yep, the cost to do so is minimal.. it's the BS that jacks up the price
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> That "BS" is what differentiates us from North Korea. If you want to live
> >>>>>> in North Korea, go right ahead, scooter. But we are not going to emulate
> >>>>>> North Korea.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The problem is with North Korea the border walls are to keep the people
> >>>>> IN.. ours on the other hand would be to keep them OUT.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> That's not the problem, scooter.
> >>>
> >>> We know it's not a problem to
> >>
> >> You don't understand anything about what is the problem, scooter.
> >
> > Your problem,
>
> I don't have a problem, scooter. You have one, which is not understanding what
> the real problem with wishing to emulate North Korea is.
>
> >>>
> >>>> The problem is that North Korea is a despotic dictatorship, and that is the
> >>>> only reason they don't have due process.
> >>>
> >>> Much like Democrats during the era of Jim Crow, right?
> >>
> >> All KKK and racists are Republiscums/QAnon today, scooter. The parties
> >> switched on race, scooter. Catch up with the times, scooter.
> >
> > No they didn't.
>
> Yes, they did, scooter. The parties fully switched on race over 50 years ago.
>
> Once again:
>
> Who wants to preserve memorials to confederate traitors? Republiscums/QAnon, not
> Democrats.
>
> Who defends the confederate traitors' secession? Republiscums/QAnon, not Democrats.
>
> Who pushes the "lost cause" lie? Republiscums/QAnon, not Democrats.
>
> Who wants to keep military bases named for confederate traitors?
> Republiscums/QAnon, not Democrats.
>
> Who *welcomes* current KKK running as their party's candidates?
> Republiscums/QAnon, not Democrats.
>
> Who wants to prevent blacks from voting? Republiscums/QAnon, not Democrats.
>
> Who gerrymanders blacks into 90% and higher districts to dilute their voting
> strength? Republiscums/QAnon, not Democrats.
>
> Who seeks to gut the 1965 Voting Rights Act to make it easier to suppress black
> votes? Republiscums/QAnon, not Democrats.
>
> Who defends white cops making false pretextual traffic stops to detain
> "suspicious-looking" blacks? Republiscums/QAnon, not Democrats.
>
> Who defends white cops lynching unarmed blacks? Republiscums/QAnon, not Democrats.
>
> ============================
>
> The parties switched on race, scooter. Today, the Republiscums/QAnon are the
> party of white supremacy and the new Jim Crow. Everyone knows it. It's settled,
> scooter.

Then why don't they tear down the Holocaust museum?

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By: Rudy Canoza on Tue, 22 Oct 2024

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