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Subject: Re: Building new prisons causes more prisoners
From: Klaus Schadenfreude
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On 10/29/2024 7:49 AM, scooter, the drunken Virginia camper and gutless
chickenshit who is frightened to death of Rudy, lied:

>
>
> "Klaus Schadenfreude" <katt@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:ROPTO.587229$1m96.550329@fx15.iad...
>> On 10/28/2024 7:52 AM, scooter, the drunken Virginia camper and gutless
>> chickenshit who is frightened to death of Rudy, lied:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Klaus Schadenfreude" <katt@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:TJOSO.207007$15a6.58477@fx12.iad...
>>>> On 10/25/2024 7:02 AM, scooter, the drunken Virginia camper and gutless
>>>> chickenshit who is frightened to death of Rudy, lied:
>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Klaus Schadenfreude" <bks@panix.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:XowSO.101994$S9Vb.43068@fx45.iad...
>>>>>> On 10/24/2024 8:24 AM, scooter, the drunken Virginia camper and gutless
>>>>>> chickenshit who is frightened to death of Rudy, lied:
>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Skeeter-Shit "Lamey" Jack-Off Shit-4-Braincell, convicted child molester
>>>>>>> and another fucking do-nothing, posted another content-free batch of lies:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In article <vfdkis$2lias$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>>>> scooter, the drunken Virginia camper and gutless chickenshit who is
>>>>>>>> frightened to death of Rudy, lied:
>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Skeeter-Shit "Lamey" Jack-Off Shit-4-Braincell, convicted child
>>>>>>>>> molester and another fucking do-nothing, posted another content-free
>>>>>>>>> batch of lies:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> > In article <XnsB21483D3AA2DA629555@185.151.15.190>, > noemail@aol.com
>>>>>>>>> > says...
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> scooter, the drunken Virginia camper and gutless chickenshit who >>
>>>>>>>>> is frightened to death of Rudy, lied:
>>
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>> >> > KKKlaun "Cunt Flaps" SchittenPantzen, impotent and harmless >> >
>>>>>>>>> Nazi >>
>>>>>>>>> >  >> >
>>>>>>>>> fake Jew and cocksucking dwarf, lied:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >> >> [Default] Rudy Canoza, the intellectual, moral, professional, >>
>>>>>>>>> >>  >>
>>>>>>>>> >>  >> >>
>>>>>>>>> social, literary and physical superior to KKKlaun >> >>
>>>>>>>>> SchittenPantzen, impotent and harmless Nazi fake Jew, *wrote*:
>>
>> Yep!  That certainly is the default, all right!  *HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA*!
>>
>>>>>>>>> >> >> [...]
>>>>>>>>> >>     All death sentences are more expensive
>>>>>>>>> >> than incarceration costs.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That's only because we make it into a circus, if we chose to do so, we
>>>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>>>> make it much cheaper by instead of retrying the case over and over and
>>>>>>>>> over,
>>>>>>>>> simply require that the defense show new evidence or new cause for why the
>>>>>>>>> convicted could possibly be show to be innocent, that a procedural
>>>>>>>>> error was
>>>>>>>>> made during the trial, or that evidence/testimony was reasonably tainted,
>>>>>>>>> corrupted or otherwise improper.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If you can't show that to the court.. the conviction stands and the
>>>>>>>>> execution proceeds on track.
>>>>>>>>> Further, put a time limit on the whole thing. Say 4 years. If you can't
>>>>>>>>> make
>>>>>>>>> your case in that time... then it's all but certain you never all.
>>>>>>>>> Finally, if it is rejected by the appeals court.. that's the end of it.
>>>>>>>>> There, I've just eliminated 95% of the cost. Freeing up prison space and
>>>>>>>>> reducing expenses so we can house the next bad guy.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >> But since you want
>>>>>>>>> >> these executions you don't mind paying for
>>>>>>>>> >> them, no?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We already are. However, if you feel the costs are too high, we can
>>>>>>>>> certainly streamline the process by eliminating long times you can file
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> appeal, the endless stream of appeals, and narrow it down to a simply
>>>>>>>>> hearing in which the defense presents their case to a judge who decides
>>>>>>>>> whether any of the facts established at trial would need to be
>>>>>>>>> reexamined in
>>>>>>>>> the light of new evidence provided or proof of a procedural or judicial
>>>>>>>>> error.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If you can't.. then you have no case. and the execution can be carried out
>>>>>>>>> immediately.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> See, it's not the execution that is so expensive but the endless round of
>>>>>>>>> appeals, stays, delays, and other legal maneuvers. As it is, you have the
>>>>>>>>> defense, a representative from the prosecutor's office and the judge
>>>>>>>>> who can
>>>>>>>>> review any new evidence or proof of errors made during trial that could
>>>>>>>>> reasonably impact the jury's finding.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 3 people.. maybe 2 hours... and if it fails we can carry out the execution
>>>>>>>>> that evening.. without muss, fuss, or great cost.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> > Bullshit.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> True, the only expense really is on the defense.. the judge is already
>>>>>>>>> being
>>>>>>>>> paid a regular salary and the prosecutors similarly.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> However, if he wants to claim the appeal process is just too expensive.. I
>>>>>>>>> set out a plan above how to reduce that and the time needed for it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The only question now will be what his next excuse will be.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Just like when they say it costs to much to deport. Remove the red tape
>>>>>>>> and send the fuckers home. Pretty simple.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yep, the cost to do so is minimal.. it's the BS that jacks up the price
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That "BS" is what differentiates us from North Korea. If you want to live
>>>>>> in North Korea, go right ahead, scooter. But we are not going to emulate
>>>>>> North Korea.
>>>>>
>>>>> The problem is with North Korea the border walls are to keep the people
>>>>> IN.. ours on the other hand would be to keep them OUT.
>>>
>>>
>>>> That's not the problem, scooter.
>>>
>>> We know it's not a problem to
>>
>> You don't understand anything about what is the problem, scooter.
>
> Your problem,

I don't have a problem, scooter. You have one, which is not understanding what
the real problem with wishing to emulate North Korea is.

>>>
>>>> The problem is that North Korea is a despotic dictatorship, and that is the
>>>> only reason they don't have due process.
>>>
>>> Much like Democrats during the era of Jim Crow, right?
>>
>> All KKK and racists are Republiscums/QAnon today, scooter. The parties
>> switched on race, scooter. Catch up with the times, scooter.
>
> No they didn't.

Yes, they did, scooter. The parties fully switched on race over 50 years ago.

Once again:

Who wants to preserve memorials to confederate traitors? Republiscums/QAnon, not
Democrats.

Who defends the confederate traitors' secession? Republiscums/QAnon, not Democrats.

Who pushes the "lost cause" lie? Republiscums/QAnon, not Democrats.

Who wants to keep military bases named for confederate traitors?
Republiscums/QAnon, not Democrats.

Who *welcomes* current KKK running as their party's candidates?
Republiscums/QAnon, not Democrats.

Who wants to prevent blacks from voting? Republiscums/QAnon, not Democrats.

Who gerrymanders blacks into 90% and higher districts to dilute their voting
strength? Republiscums/QAnon, not Democrats.

Who seeks to gut the 1965 Voting Rights Act to make it easier to suppress black
votes? Republiscums/QAnon, not Democrats.

Who defends white cops making false pretextual traffic stops to detain
"suspicious-looking" blacks? Republiscums/QAnon, not Democrats.

Who defends white cops lynching unarmed blacks? Republiscums/QAnon, not Democrats.

============================

The parties switched on race, scooter. Today, the Republiscums/QAnon are the
party of white supremacy and the new Jim Crow. Everyone knows it. It's settled,
scooter.

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