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Subject: Re: Building new prisons causes more prisoners
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"Klaus Schadenfreude" <katt@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:ROPTO.587229$1m96.550329@fx15.iad...
> On 10/28/2024 7:52 AM, scooter, the drunken Virginia camper and gutless
> chickenshit who is frightened to death of Rudy, lied:
>
>>
>>
>> "Klaus Schadenfreude" <katt@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:TJOSO.207007$15a6.58477@fx12.iad...
>>> On 10/25/2024 7:02 AM, scooter, the drunken Virginia camper and gutless
>>> chickenshit who is frightened to death of Rudy, lied:
>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Klaus Schadenfreude" <bks@panix.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:XowSO.101994$S9Vb.43068@fx45.iad...
>>>>> On 10/24/2024 8:24 AM, scooter, the drunken Virginia camper and
>>>>> gutless chickenshit who is frightened to death of Rudy, lied:
>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Skeeter-Shit "Lamey" Jack-Off Shit-4-Braincell, convicted child
>>>>>> molester and another fucking do-nothing, posted another content-free
>>>>>> batch of lies:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> In article <vfdkis$2lias$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>>> scooter, the drunken Virginia camper and gutless chickenshit who is
>>>>>>> frightened to death of Rudy, lied:
>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Skeeter-Shit "Lamey" Jack-Off Shit-4-Braincell, convicted child
>>>>>>>> molester and another fucking do-nothing, posted another
>>>>>>>> content-free batch of lies:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> > In article <XnsB21483D3AA2DA629555@185.151.15.190>,
>>>>>>>> > noemail@aol.com
>>>>>>>> > says...
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> scooter, the drunken Virginia camper and gutless chickenshit who
>>>>>>>> >> is frightened to death of Rudy, lied:
>
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>> >> > KKKlaun "Cunt Flaps" SchittenPantzen, impotent and harmless
>>>>>>>> >> > Nazi >>
>>>>>>>> > >> >
>>>>>>>> fake Jew and cocksucking dwarf, lied:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >> >> [Default] Rudy Canoza, the intellectual, moral, professional,
>>>>>>>> >> >> >>
>>>>>>>> >> >> >>
>>>>>>>> social, literary and physical superior to KKKlaun >> >>
>>>>>>>> SchittenPantzen, impotent and harmless Nazi fake Jew, *wrote*:
>
> Yep! That certainly is the default, all right! *HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
> HA*!
>
>>>>>>>> >> >> [...]
>>>>>>>> >> All death sentences are more expensive
>>>>>>>> >> than incarceration costs.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That's only because we make it into a circus, if we chose to do so,
>>>>>>>> we could
>>>>>>>> make it much cheaper by instead of retrying the case over and over
>>>>>>>> and over,
>>>>>>>> simply require that the defense show new evidence or new cause for
>>>>>>>> why the
>>>>>>>> convicted could possibly be show to be innocent, that a procedural
>>>>>>>> error was
>>>>>>>> made during the trial, or that evidence/testimony was reasonably
>>>>>>>> tainted,
>>>>>>>> corrupted or otherwise improper.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If you can't show that to the court.. the conviction stands and the
>>>>>>>> execution proceeds on track.
>>>>>>>> Further, put a time limit on the whole thing. Say 4 years. If you
>>>>>>>> can't make
>>>>>>>> your case in that time... then it's all but certain you never all.
>>>>>>>> Finally, if it is rejected by the appeals court.. that's the end of
>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>> There, I've just eliminated 95% of the cost. Freeing up prison
>>>>>>>> space and
>>>>>>>> reducing expenses so we can house the next bad guy.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >> But since you want
>>>>>>>> >> these executions you don't mind paying for
>>>>>>>> >> them, no?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We already are. However, if you feel the costs are too high, we can
>>>>>>>> certainly streamline the process by eliminating long times you can
>>>>>>>> file and
>>>>>>>> appeal, the endless stream of appeals, and narrow it down to a
>>>>>>>> simply
>>>>>>>> hearing in which the defense presents their case to a judge who
>>>>>>>> decides
>>>>>>>> whether any of the facts established at trial would need to be
>>>>>>>> reexamined in
>>>>>>>> the light of new evidence provided or proof of a procedural or
>>>>>>>> judicial
>>>>>>>> error.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If you can't.. then you have no case. and the execution can be
>>>>>>>> carried out
>>>>>>>> immediately.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> See, it's not the execution that is so expensive but the endless
>>>>>>>> round of
>>>>>>>> appeals, stays, delays, and other legal maneuvers. As it is, you
>>>>>>>> have the
>>>>>>>> defense, a representative from the prosecutor's office and the
>>>>>>>> judge who can
>>>>>>>> review any new evidence or proof of errors made during trial that
>>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>>> reasonably impact the jury's finding.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 3 people.. maybe 2 hours... and if it fails we can carry out the
>>>>>>>> execution
>>>>>>>> that evening.. without muss, fuss, or great cost.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> > Bullshit.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> True, the only expense really is on the defense.. the judge is
>>>>>>>> already being
>>>>>>>> paid a regular salary and the prosecutors similarly.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> However, if he wants to claim the appeal process is just too
>>>>>>>> expensive.. I
>>>>>>>> set out a plan above how to reduce that and the time needed for it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The only question now will be what his next excuse will be.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just like when they say it costs to much to deport. Remove the red
>>>>>>> tape
>>>>>>> and send the fuckers home. Pretty simple.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yep, the cost to do so is minimal.. it's the BS that jacks up the
>>>>>> price
>>>>>
>>>>> That "BS" is what differentiates us from North Korea. If you want to
>>>>> live in North Korea, go right ahead, scooter. But we are not going to
>>>>> emulate North Korea.
>>>>
>>>> The problem is with North Korea the border walls are to keep the people
>>>> IN.. ours on the other hand would be to keep them OUT.
>>
>>
>>> That's not the problem, scooter.
>>
>> We know it's not a problem to
>
> You don't understand anything about what is the problem, scooter.

Your problem, thankfully, isn't my problem. You will have to work out your
problems on your own.

>
>>
>>> The problem is that North Korea is a despotic dictatorship, and that is
>>> the only reason they don't have due process.
>>
>> Much like Democrats during the era of Jim Crow, right?
>
> All KKK and racists are Republiscums/QAnon today, scooter. The parties
> switched on race, scooter. Catch up with the times, scooter.

No they didn't.

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