"Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in
news:vfe0vn$2ntcu$2@dont-email.me:

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> "Skeeter" <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in message
> news:671a5878$7$18$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com...
>> In article <vfdkis$2lias$1@dont-email.me>,
>> me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net says...
>>>
>>> "Skeeter" <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:67195f2d$11$16$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com...
>>> > In article <XnsB21483D3AA2DA629555@185.151.15.190>,
>>> > noemail@aol.com says...
>>> >>
>>> >> "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in
>>> >> news:vfb0tj$22men$1@dont-email.me:
>>> >>
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > "Klaus Schadenfreude"
>>> >> > <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergent�ter.@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> >> > news:ufufhjdm4lrdsnhimji4kengs0if4b8p9i@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging
>>> >> > .cocksu cking.dwarf.com...
>>> >> >> [Default] Rudy "Cunt Flaps" Canoza <rudy@phil.hendrie.con>
>>> >> >> typed:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>>This is a reply I made to Skeeter-Shit "Lamey" Jack-Off
>>> >> >>>Shit-4-Braincell back
>>> >> >>>when he was posting as "Lamey." Now he's denying having posted
>>> >> >>>as "Lamey," but
>>> >> >>>he's lying. He also used to post as "Jack Shit." What a
>>> >> >>>fucking loser.
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>>On 6/16/2021 9:22 AM, Lamey wrote:
>>> >> >>>> On Wed, 16 Jun 2021 09:19:06 -0700, Rudy Canoza
>>> >> >>>> <js@phendrie.con> wrote:
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>>>> On 6/4/2021 9:35 AM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>> >> >>>>>> This is absolutely true. Research shows that the more new
>>> >> >>>>>> prisons there are,
>>> >> >>>>>> the more petty crimes are prosecuted and the harsher and
>>> >> >>>>>> longer the sentences.
>>> >> >>>>>> One of the big drivers of this is prison guard unions.
>>> >> >>>>>> The more
>>> >> >>>>>> prisons and
>>> >> >>>>>> prisoners, the more jobs for prison guards.
>>> >> >>>>>
>>> >> >>>>> More support:
>>> >> >>>>>
>>> >> >>>>> "Life Without Parole Isn't Making Us Any Safer"
>>> >> >>>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/16/opinion/louisiana-crimina
>>> >> >>>>> l-justi
>>> >> >>>>> ce-reform.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Lie site not read
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>>>> That's a true statement. Life without parole is another
>>> >> >>>>> gimmick to
>>> >> >>>>> fill up the
>>> >> >>>>> prisons.
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>>> It's called doing time for the crime you dingbat.
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>>Life without parole for robbing a bank of $5,000 is simply
>>> >> >>>wrong.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> The relevant facts follow. On March 16, 1978, the Link Belt
>>> >> >> Credit Union in Marion County, Indiana was robbed. Men took
>>> >> >> money and blank
>>> >> >> credit union checks at gunpoint from Martha Watts, a Link Belt
>>> >> >> Credit
>>> >> >> Union employee. On March 27, 1978, Richardson was arrested for
>>> >> >> forgery when he attempted to cash one of the checks stolen
>>> >> >> from the Link Belt Credit Union at another bank.See footnote
>>> >> >> On May 5, 1978, Richardson was arrested in Kentucky on
>>> >> >> unrelated controlled substances and stolen property charges.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Career criminal. Life without parole is most deserved, "Cunt
>>> >> >> Flaps."
>>> >> >
>>> >> > I would suggest that once someone gets life without parole,
>>> >> > they clearly are a waste of resources and an on-going threat.
>>> >> > Jail servers
>>> >> > no purpose at that point since they will never be
>>> >> > rehabilitated. I suggest that once the appeals and such have
>>> >> > run their course they be executed. No, not by some official and
>>> >> > expensive process, but rather some sedatives and a time delay
>>> >> > fast acting poison. They have dinner,
>>> >> > go to sleep and simply never wake up.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > At which point we no longer have to pay to house, feed, cloth
>>> >> > and otherwise support this burden on society.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >>
>>> >> All death sentences are more expensive
>>> >> than incarceration costs.
>>>
>>> That's only because we make it into a circus, if we chose to do so,
>>> we could
>>> make it much cheaper by instead of retrying the case over and over
>>> and over,
>>> simply require that the defense show new evidence or new cause for
>>> why the
>>> convicted could possibly be show to be innocent, that a procedural
>>> error was
>>> made during the trial, or that evidence/testimony was reasonably
>>> tainted, corrupted or otherwise improper.
>>>
>>> If you can't show that to the court.. the conviction stands and the
>>> execution proceeds on track.
>>> Further, put a time limit on the whole thing. Say 4 years. If you
>>> can't make
>>> your case in that time... then it's all but certain you never all.
>>> Finally, if it is rejected by the appeals court.. that's the end of
>>> it. There, I've just eliminated 95% of the cost. Freeing up prison
>>> space and reducing expenses so we can house the next bad guy.
>>>
>>> >> But since you want
>>> >> these executions you don't mind paying for
>>> >> them, no?
>>>
>>> We already are. However, if you feel the costs are too high, we can
>>> certainly streamline the process by eliminating long times you can
>>> file and
>>> appeal, the endless stream of appeals, and narrow it down to a
>>> simply hearing in which the defense presents their case to a judge
>>> who decides whether any of the facts established at trial would need
>>> to be reexamined in
>>> the light of new evidence provided or proof of a procedural or
>>> judicial error.
>>>
>>> If you can't.. then you have no case. and the execution can be
>>> carried out
>>> immediately.
>>>
>>> See, it's not the execution that is so expensive but the endless
>>> round of appeals, stays, delays, and other legal maneuvers. As it
>>> is, you have the defense, a representative from the prosecutor's
>>> office and the judge who can
>>> review any new evidence or proof of errors made during trial that
>>> could reasonably impact the jury's finding.
>>>
>>> 3 people.. maybe 2 hours... and if it fails we can carry out the
>>> execution
>>> that evening.. without muss, fuss, or great cost.
>>>
>>>
>>> > Bullshit.
>>>
>>> True, the only expense really is on the defense.. the judge is
>>> already being
>>> paid a regular salary and the prosecutors similarly.
>>>
>>> However, if he wants to claim the appeal process is just too
>>> expensive.. I
>>> set out a plan above how to reduce that and the time needed for it.
>>>
>>> The only question now will be what his next excuse will be.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Just like when they say it costs to much to deport. Remove the red
>> tape and send the fuckers home. Pretty simple.
>
> Yep, the cost to do so is minimal.. it's the BS that jacks up the
> price..
>
> I mean how hard would it be to have a judge sit there and ask?
>
> J: Have you run their fingerprints?
> P: Yes, your honor.
> J: Are they in the system as a legal immigrant, resident alien, or on
> a current visa?
> P: No, your honor.
> J: Are they a refugee from Mexico?
> P: No, your honor.
> J: Does the defendant have anything to say that would overturn these
> facts, or show they are actually entitled to asylum?
> D: Yada, Yada, Yada.
> J: Can you prove those allegation at this time?
> D: No, your honor
> J: Does the defendant have anything to add?
> D: No, your honor
> J: it is the ruling of this court that they be immediately deported.
>

A civics lesson:

State judges do not have
the power to deport anyone.

> Why should it take any longer than that?
>

Because immigration hearings are
conducted in federal courts by federal
immigration judges.

> Keeping in mind that if the matter is drawn out, that the opinion of
> incarceration could be added, and would be added for repeat offenses,
>
> That's assuming they can even cross the border.. if caught doing so,
> or having just done so.

Remember the conservatie rant
that illegal immigrant "Little Elian"
be allowed to stay in the US?

What happened?