On Tue, 17 Sep 2024 12:08:04 -0700, J Carlson
<j_carlson@gmx.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
<vcck2l$3lgr0$1@dont-email.me> wrote:

>On 9/17/2024 3:58 AM, Attila wrote:
>> On Mon, 16 Sep 2024 21:10:53 -0700, J Carlson
>> <j_carlson@gmx.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>> <vcavgf$3apfu$1@dont-email.me> wrote:
>>
>>> On 9/16/2024 1:19 PM, Attila wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 09:30:29 -0700, J Carlson
>>>> <j_carlson@gmx.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>> <vc4dn6$1hj31$2@dont-email.me> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 9/11/2024 7:01 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>>>>>> Looks like the Democrat lie machine is alive and well:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://thefederalist.com/
>>>>>
>>>>> That's a lie site, and every so-called "lie" they cited from Harris is not a
>>>>> lie. I read all of them, and they're all lies by "federalis," but I'm not going
>>>>> to address all of them here. The first five are enough:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. ‘Middle-Class Kid’
>>>>> Harris claimed that she grew up a “middle-class kid.” That is not true.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's a lie. It *is* true. Having two parents who full-time professors quite
>>>>> likely makes the family "upper" middle class, but it's still middle class. And
>>>>> Harris's mother eventually became a single mother. Federalist Lie #1
>>>>>
>>>>> 2. Trump’s Tax Cuts
>>>>> Harris falsely insinuated that the 2017 tax cuts approved by the Trump
>>>>> administration disproportionately benefited America’s billionaires and
>>>>> corporations.
>>>>>
>>>>> It is *not* a false insinuation. *Absolutely* Trump's tax cuts benefited the rich.
>>>>>
>>>>> 3. Trump ‘Sales Tax’
>>>>> Harris claimed Trump will implement a “sales tax.” Trump has not pledged
>>>>> to do such a thing if elected president.
>>>>>
>>>>> Trump's proposed tariffs *absolutely* are sales taxes. They are without question
>>>>> taxes, and they raise the prices paid by consumers *exactly* as a literal sales
>>>>> tax does. They are not calculated and levied at the point of sale, as sales
>>>>> taxes typically are, but they are sales taxes all the same.
>>>>>
>>>>> 4. Jan. 6
>>>>> Harris contended that the Jan. 6, 2021, riot at the U.S. Capitol was the
>>>>> “worst attack on our democracy since the Civil War.” Contrary to Harris’
>>>>> claim, [bullshit erased]
>>>>>
>>>>> Harris is *absolutely* correct that the Jan. 6 2021 *insurrection* was the worst
>>>>> attack on our democracy since the Civil War. Fuck off with your whingeing about
>>>>> democracy vs republic: "democracy," specifically "our democracy," is the most
>>>>> widely used term to describe the American system of government. Whatever label
>>>>> you want to use for our system of government, Trump's *insurrection* — yes, it
>>>>> was an insurrection — was the worst attack on our constitutional system of
>>>>> government since the Civil War. This is not in rational dispute.
>>>>>
>>>>> 5. Project 2025
>>>>> Harris claimed Trump will implement Project 2025 if elected. Trump has
>>>>> repeatedly said he has nothing to do with Project 2025.
>>>>>
>>>>> That is simply a lie. Trump knows *all* of the chief "architects" [sic] of
>>>>> Project 2025, and he has discussed what they're doing with them. Trump has
>>>>> *publicly* advocated many of the fascist provisions of the document.
>>>>>
>>>>> The remaining 20 statements by "federalist" are all lies.
>>>>>
>>>>> Harris didn't tell a single lie during the debate. Trump told dozens. Trump lied
>>>>> the entire 90 minutes.
>>>>
>>>> I have been following politics to some extent since John F
>>>> Kenned was elected president. I have noticed every
>>>> politician lies, cheats, steals, backstabs, and is totally
>>>> focused on one thing and one thing only - the next election.
>>>
>>> That's a lie.
>>
>> What part and why?
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Anyone who believes anything any politician says is a fool.
>>>
>>> Most politicians tell the truth most of the time — all but Trump and George Santos.
>>
>> Are you familiar with Adam Schiff?
>>
>> On June 21, 2023, the House of Representatives censured
>> Schiff in a party-line vote on H.Res. 521, which
>> investigated his role as Chairman of the Intelligence
>> Committee in promoting the "conspiracy theory" that Donald
>> Trump colluded with Russia in the 2016 United States
>> presidential election.[91] The resolution established that
>> Schiff misled the American public with "falsehoods,
>> misrepresentations and abuses of sensitive information"
>> about the election and as part of the first impeachment of
>> Donald Trump.[92][93] Schiff has denied the allegations,
>> calling them "defamatory".
>>
>>>
>>>> They are not interested in solving any problems
>>>
>>> That's a lie.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Lies are never lies but "political positions" and
>>>
>>> Sometimes they are obviously lies and it costs them.
>>
>> Not enough.
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> In my entire over sixty four years of observing these
>>>> professional liars, thieves, cheats, schemers, and
>>>> altogether loathsome creatures wallowing in their natural
>>>> environment I have never seen anything like the level of
>>>> total and complete hatred shown Donald Trump.
>>>
>>> He earned it. He richly deserves it. He earned it in spaces even *before* his
>>> insurrection, but the insurrection sealed it for all time. No president who lost
>>> an election ever tried to steal an unearned term as Trump did.
>>
>> Yet he has never been charged with insurrection even though
>> he has been charged with everything else the Dims could
>> think of. He has one conviction which is under appeal.
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> The entire Democrat party
>>>
>>> There is no such party.
>>
>> Democrat Mob?
>
>No such thing.

Democrat Mob, Democratic mob. Semantics.

>
>>
>> Or the Dims as I call them.
>
>The Nazis as we call you.

And thus you concede the field, since you obviously don't
know what Nazis were.

>
>> Democrats are insane.
>
>No.

That's what I said.

>
>>
>> They are all about votes to put their agenda into law.
>
>No different than any other party.

Not to the same extent.

>
>>
>> These people look at what they have and support those they
>> trust to continue the [erase remaining lies]

Don't selectively clip my post. If you don't like it ignore
it.

>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> has been focused to one thing to the
>>>> exclusion of all else - the destruction of Donald Trump.
>>>
>>> That's a lie. But the *political* destruction of Trump is a very high priority
>>> for them, as it should be — as it should be for all right-thinking Americans.
>>
>> Not by my definition of right-thinking.
>
>Your definition is fucked-up wrong.

I disagree.
>
>
>>>
>>>> There is nothing they will not do or say that does not
>>>> involve this goal.
>>>
>>> That's a lie.
>>
>> They prove it every day.
>
>That's another lie.

Not to anyone one who is paying attention.

>
>>
>>>
>>>> They elected Biden President because he
>>>> is not Donald Trump even though there is no legal way for
>>>> someone to work exclusively for the Government of over 50
>>>> years and earn enough money to become a multi-millionaire,
>>>> especially with a high maintenance family such as his.
>>>
>>> Joe Biden's net worth is estimated at about $10 million. Nearly all of that was
>>> accumulated in the first few years after leaving the vice presidency, especially
>>> in 2017. He and his wife earned the money honestly. They both had best-selling
>>> books published, and Joe earned very high speaking fees, as former presidents
>>> and vice presidents typically do.
>>
>> Aside from capitalizing on his political history why should
>> anyone be interested?
>
>None of your ignorant business why anyone is interested.

Unable to answer I see.

>
>> Perhaps such paid books and appearances should be banned.
>
>No, Nazi. We won't be banning political memoirs.

Since only fools read them it doesn't matter.

>>
>>> There is a very good Forbes page detailing
>>> their income from 2017-2020 here:
>>> https://www.forbes.com/sites/michelatindera/2020/10/22/how-the-bidens-earned-167-million-after-leaving-the-white-house/
>>>
>>> Biden earned his money honestly, legally and ethically.
>>
>> Sure he did.
>
>Yes, he sure did.
>
>>>>
>>>> And now the entire mob is pulling out all of the stops to
>>>> try to elect Chuckles Harris, who obviously cannot walk
>>>> across a room by herself without tripping. But that doesn't
>>>> matter - she is not Donald Trump and that is all that
>>>> counts.
>>>
>>> She is far more talented than a hyper-partisan fuckwit like you could ever hope
>>> to grasp. However, not being Trump is a very important qualification. It's not
>>> "all" that counts, but it can't be discounted.
>>
>> Perhaps she can feed herself.
>
>She is talented and smart. She dismantled Trump in the debate, and there was no
>"rigging" involved.

As long as she can read the TelePrompTer. She is deathly
afraid of an news conference where she must actually answer
tough, direct, detailed questions.

>
>>
>>>
>>>> I stand disgusted at all politicians but especially those
>>>> who advocate the anybody but Trump position.
>>>
>>> No, the anybody-but-Trump position is one of the defining characteristics of a
>>> moral person in the U.S. at this time.
>>
>> I support him based upon his record as President.
>
>You support him because he's a fascist and so are you. His record as president
>is proof positive that he is unfit for office.

I consider his record as very good but I would support
anyone running against the Biden -Harris record. I don't
think the country can survive another four years like the
last four.

>
>>
>>>
>>>> They do not oppose his policies, positions, or anything at all other
>>>> than the fact that his name is Donald Trump.
>>>
>>> That's a lie. We oppose:
>>>
>>> * his embrace of foreign tyrants
>>> * his embrace of domestic Nazis like you
>>> * his racism
>>> * his hatred of immigrants and all non-whites
>>> * his tax cuts that almost exclusively help plutocrats
>>> * his grifting
>>> * his raping and demeaning of women (and all the rest of his misogyny)
>>> * his perversion of U.S. foreign policy for his domestic political gain
>>> * his insurrections and soft coups
>>> * his pardons of felons *only* because they are his political cronies
>>> * his overall general criminality
>>
>> Nonsense.
>
>No.

Anyone running against the Biden policies will get my vote.

>
>>
>> In fact, aside from fast food what else doesn't require ID?
>
>I don't have to show ID for *any* of my normal daily activities. Virtually
>*none* of the things that Trump claims require ID actually do.

I support a National ID Card, backed up by a biometric
database.

>
>>
>>>
>>> There are hundreds — nay, *thousands* — of reasons to loathe and hate Donald
>>> Trump and want to see him dead.
>>
>> I see TDS is alive and well.
>
>TDS is only experienced by his deranged fans who can't see he's a fraud and a crook.

Actually I am more anti-Dims that pro-Trump. I wish there
was a stronger candidate running against Chuckles but I will
take what I can get.

>
>>>
>>>> [snip the rest of 84+ year old Nazi's rabid foam.
>>>
>>> Fuck off.
>>
>> Nope.
>
>Yep.
>
>> You have my age wrong too.
>>
>> I am 85.
>
>I knew I had the first digit right. Note that I said "84+," meaning I knew you
>were *at least* 84. You're senile. You're also just a Nazi shitbag.

Not too difficult, since I mentioned Kennedy, who ran in
1960. That was 64 years ago and adding 20 for voting age
you have 84. Voting age was 21 at the time.

I bet you took your shoes off to solve that one.

--

Build a Wall.
Deport them all.

Go WOKE. Go Broke.

Stop DEI (Dumbass Egotistical Idiocy),
the Green Raw Deal, Income redistribution,
and Social anything.

Let them DIE.

Did the last sane person leaving California
remember to turn out the lights? The Rotten
Apple?

Facts are the reality whether or not you
want to hear them.

The most dangerous enemies the United States has:

Chuckles Harris and her supporters like
the Sluts and Pimps including
Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler,
Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Cory Booker. They
have stepped over the line and are working against
the country and what it stands for.