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Subject: Re: If one has not been Born Again, then they are not a Christian.
From: Michael Christ
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From: michaelmclean2021@outlook.com (Michael Christ)
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Subject: Re: If one has not been Born Again, then they are not a Christian.
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On 10/05/2024 5:44 am, Robert wrote:
>
> If they are Born Again and the Spirit of God resides in them, then this is
> how they are to live.
>
> Col 3:1-17 (KJV)
>
> 1 If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where
> Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
>
> 2 Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.
>
> 3 For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.
>
> 4 When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with
> him in glory.
>
> 5 Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication,
> uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness,
> which is idolatry:
>
> 6 For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of
> disobedience:
>
> 7 In the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them.
>
> 8 But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy
> communication out of your mouth.
>
> 9 Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his
> deeds;
>
> 10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image
> of him that created him:
>
> 11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision,
> Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.
>
> 12 Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of
> mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering;
>
> 13 Forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a
> quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so alsodo ye.
>
> 14 And above all these things put on charity, which is the bond of
> perfectness.
>
> 15 And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to the which also ye are
> called in one body; and be ye thankful.
>
> 16 Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and
> admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with
> grace in your hearts to the Lord.
>
> 17 And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord
> Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.
>

> This IS the way of life for those that have made Jesus the Messiah LORD of
> their life. It IS the desire of their heart. The desire of their renewed
> mind. Not briefly. Not on Sunday mornings, but every moment of their life.

Exactly, almost, but it is very encouraging to see what you read in your
bible and expressing what is in your heart; now we get to be on the same
page/context.

However, I am sorry, and I am, one caveat, one fine but necessary
distinction: a man does not make the Lord the Lord of His life. The Lord
does that with and in a man who gives their life to Him in complete
surrender to His will.

For example, if the rich young ruler had gone with the Lord, he would
have brought with him all his worldly baggage, but "the Lord would have
"totally transformed" Him in a season, like He did with the disciples.

But remember this: always, absolutely always, all the glory is the
Lord's and His alone, and anyone who takes any credit for anything, you
know, instantly, he is not what he pretends to be and is a false prophet.

If you received that understanding it shouldn't take too long for you to
see who and what Duane is. It is not about pointing the finger of
judgement, it is simply about the truth!

> If Not, then who is the god that you serve? Who is the god whom you swear
> allegiance to?
>
> Can you see the differences here between the old man and the new man in
> Christ Jesus? If so, then stop playing games lest you be spit out of the
> mouth of the Lord like foul tasting food. Repent, Pray that you might be
> counted worthy to escape.

Now, here is a question for you: does the new man need to be told these
things (bible verses above) or does he already walk in them?

Michael Christ

PS: The atheists don't deserve less than the sinner "old man" Christians.

--
God is God in all His Being.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that a sinner could play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: A man full of bluster and bullshit
pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

What does a fool do? A fool looks for a "nothing" in a "something" in
order to explain the existence of existence.

"Unless you do all because He is who He is, all your religion is in vain."

"Every man is subject to God; He judges every man, and He is reality.
 What a gift in a fallen world!"

"Love MUST be a choice or it is nothing but a law!"

"Why were all men born sinners? So that God could reveal Himself, so
that we would behold the glory of God, and that we should bring forth
the glory of God"

"God does not and will not arbitrate for any man to love Him! If God
isn't everything to you, He is nothing to you where the rubber meets the
road."

"It is the unforgivable sin not to love God with all your heart, soul,
and mind. What do you have that is lasting? It is not so much being
punished; it is what you are left with."

"Love isn't worth anything without first a free will choice for God to
birth it in a man."

"The point of salvation: desperation. Anything less than that is
self-righteousness."

"A sinner is not a believer in God; a sinner is a believer in sin."

"A piece of dirt is not the promised land; that is only a reflection.
The promised land is knowing Me, says the Lord."

"It is all about God or it is all about idolatry."

"The Lord Jesus is coming soon. He has always come soon."

"There is no revolving door of self-worship in a son of God's life!"

"There is no such thing as random!"

"You can't truly love without it being with all your heart."

"No one can see God without their whole heart. Unless you can see God,
you know nothing."

"You can't learn God, God has to reveal Himself to you."

"No sinner is sinless in any way."

"Only God is life; only the Kingdom of God of His "Nature" is life."

"What you believe is just a leaning on your own understanding; faith is
a leaning on the one you have chosen to trust."

"God uses the "letter" to crucify a man and raise him from the dead."

"Not fearing God is sheer stupidity for sinners."

"Self-righteousness is any exclusion of God in your heart, because any
exclusion reveals that you think more about yourself than what you
really are."

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o Re: If one has not been Born Again, then they are not a Christian.

By: Michael Christ on Thu, 9 May 2024

1Michael Christ

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