On 7/05/2024 1:56 pm, Robert wrote:
> On May 6, 2024, Michael Christ wrote
> (in article <v1brhv$2q6u0$1@dont-email.me>):
>
>> On 7/05/2024 4:29 am, Robert wrote:
>>> On May 6, 2024, Michael Christ wrote
>>> (in article <v1a8mi$2eehl$1@dont-email.me>):
>>>
>>>> On 6/05/2024 2:23 pm, Robert wrote:
>>>>> On May 5, 2024, Michael Christ wrote
>>>>> (in article <v19718$22vnf$4@dont-email.me>):
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 6/05/2024 8:45 am, Robert wrote:
>>>>>>> On May 5, 2024, Michael Christ wrote
>>>>>>> (in article <v18v9q$22vnf$3@dont-email.me>):
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKGUq7AGDm0
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Go to the 15:45-minute mark to the 18:11-minute mark.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> It is a mix of what is right and what is wrong, what is perfect and
>>>>>>>>>>>> what is not.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> When he says "try" what is he saying?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Trying to be what?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Maximus wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> I didn't watch it, but the word 'angel' in the bible means simply
>>>>>>>>>>> messenger. spiritual beings with wings in white robes is just made
>>>>>>>>>>> up
>>>>>>>>>>> stuff.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Lots of people make up stuff about lots of things because they don't
>>>>>>>>>> know what to believe. I understand the dilemma.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If you want to know the answer to the question, the man is trying to
>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>> righteous, and that is a big no no. It portrays the sacrifice on the
>>>>>>>>>> cross of the Lord Jesus of no effect and of no value. He is lying and
>>>>>>>>>> stealing. Lying because he is pretending the Lord comes first, and
>>>>>>>>>> stealing because he is seeking to make himself the truth.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> He doesn't know that, but it doesn't change anything.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Robert wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Michael, that is what he said he was, as a pastor before he died. That
>>>>>>>>> is why
>>>>>>>>> he was so shocked to find out that “after doing all the right
>>>>>>>>> things”,
>>>>>>>>> he was not.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Clearly.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I know, Robert.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But do you know what I said?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Trying...to be what?"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Did his experience destroy him or did he just change tack?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Michael Christ
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> “Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted
>>>>>>>>> worthy
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> Son
>>>>>>>>> of man.” (Luk 21:36, KJV)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Michael Christ
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You are are shifting the goal posts of what he meant.
>>>>>>> He definitely meant
>>>>>>> what it was that I answered, but you appear to have shifted that
>>>>>>> altogether
>>>>>>> to mean his current life with God, not his prior life as a
>>>>>>> do-gooder/works
>>>>>>> type of guy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> He continued in his "do-gooder/works."
>>>>>
>>>>> Even you cannot claim that of him. Since he is no longer doing what he
>>>>> used
>>>>> to. The only way you can claim that is by your personal judgments of what
>>>>> “do-gooder/works” is by totally disregarding what he said.
>>>>
>>>> I am sure he had revelation from the Lord in regards to his "good
>>>> works." However, what people say and what people do tends to be
>>>> continents apart.
>>>
>>> That is why there are so many recognizable hypocrites.
>>>>
>>>> When he said "try," as in "try to be righteous" though, it gave him
>>>> away. You should have picked that up in my opinion.
>>>
>>> You read that into him. It is not what he was speaking of. As I mentioned at
>>> the fore, he was speaking about being ‘perfect’, I appreciate your
>>> politeness of speech and thought here, yet there is a time to consider what
>>> a
>>> person speaks,
>>
>> When a person says they are "trying," they are saying "trying to be
>> righteous."
>>
>> And that is a big no no.
>>
>> Alarm bells ringing, neon signs flashing, earthquake shifting sand, if
>> you know what I mean.
>>
>> If you go back to my original post it is made quite clear. You think I
>> am judging him but I am not. It is always about the truth with me. Yes,
>> even when you don't think it is. :-).

>> 16:01 in other
>>
>> 16:02 words uh Paul says Be Perfect Like Jesus
>>
>> 16:06 of course we human so we can't be
>>
>> 16:07 perfect but we can
>>
>> 16:09 try we can
>>
>> 16:11 try and and when we fail along the way
>> 16:14 we need to repent but we can
>> 16:18 try so what what's perfect to one person
>>
>> 16:21 may not be perfect to another
>
> Here you can see he was referencing being perfect. Jesus also told us to be
> perfect, he did not equate that with righteousness.

I have said what I have said about the fellow a few times now, and
already said what being perfect means.

Of course, you don't have to believe what I am saying.

> As Born Again Believers one is made righteous. And not by works. Here are a
> few verses that reinforce the understandings.
>
> Rom 5:19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the
> obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
>
> Rom 6:18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of
> righteousness.
>
> Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the
> mouth confession is made unto salvation.
>
> 2Co 5:21For he hath made himto be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might
> be made the righteousness of God in him.
>
> 1Ti 1:9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for
> the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and
> profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,

Well, that is the bible and so it is a given.

> In none of these verses is the flesh made righteous.

I am not talking about the flesh being made righteous.

> We all have the same
> body and soul as we did before. Only at the point of our resurrection will
> the body be redeemed, made righteous, made whole with ones spirit man.

That's a given. My body is already dead anyway.

> Ones
> spirit is made righteous, and only in there is no sin. The spirit of God that
> indwells the believer cannot co-exist with evil. Just as in the Holy of
> Holies in the temple so it is with ones spirit that is in our bodies, bodies
> that are the “temple of God”. Not the case with heathens, carnal beings,
> the unsaved.

>
> So I have absolutely no way of accepting your hypothesis that perfection and
> righteousness are one and the same.

Well, the Lord sees it differently. Righteousness and perfection are
synonymous, and you can throw in holiness with that. Be ye holy, be ye
perfect, and the only way you can be that is to be righteousness.

Everyone in Christ Jesus is all those things, not of themselves, of
course because all the glory is the Lord's. After all, it is in Christ
Jesus.

>>>>
>>>> If you don't see it, fine, you never seem to see what I see anyway.
>>>
>>> Michael, what exactly are you told to study? Why?
>>>
>>> “Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be
>>> ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.” (2Ti 2:15, KJV)
>>
>> I am approved. And I did study. I found the Author, rather, He was able
>> to get through to me.
>
> Whether you are approved or not at this point only the Heavenly Father can
> judge.

I have already been judged.

> Yet we can safely say that in some areas you and the word of God do
> not agree.

You can think "safety" if you like. :-).

> Yes, we all may have various areas of shortcoming, but not on the
> basics. One learns and matures over time,

Learning and maturity has nothing to do with righteousness. Once a
person is born again they can grow in wisdom and understanding, but the
foundation has been laid and it cannot be moved; the heart is brand new.

I suppose you can compare that to the birth of a child and then the old
age of that child. They are, in the Spirit, what they will always be
forever; the heart is new and that is what matters.

All born again are born into sinlessless, more perfectly, eternal
spotless blemish-less love, as opposed to all non-born again being
sinners because they do not love God with all their heart, soul, and
mind—including Adam and Eve. Mind you, I don't know how Adam and Eve
went out so that is only in regard to their initial state.

> although some remain babies for
> extended periods of time, as Paul pointed out. For that reason God gives us
> pastors and teachers, mature believers who can rightly divide the truth. But
> even they are required to listen to others, and all are admonished to listen
> to others for the truths revealed to them.

Well, a babe knows who to listen to—the Lord.

> 1Co 14:26How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you
> hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an
> interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.
>
> Isn’t it interesting that “everyone hath a tongue” which so many rail
> against.

Yes, everyone has a tongue, a unique singular tongue, and speaking in
tongues is really the ability to speak in a way that a heart can hear,
what is being said by the Lord, if that particular heart is willing to
hear, that is.

If you have the gift of tongues, you can speak to everyone and anyone on
the planet. You might think I don't speak Japanese, and you would be
right, but I don't need to; I can speak non-verbally.

Love can do all things; love never fails, only it might not fit within
the framework you set.

>> Only He can tell you what the scriptures mean anyway, and more exactly
>> at what moment they apply according to the understanding He has revealed.
>
> What you really mean is ‘only they that have ears to hear’ will hear.

Yeah, alright.

> It
> is not just for that moment, or a specific moment, for the Lord has revealed
> things to be in the past that I was not willing to hear, yet he repeated
> himself over time. So in the end I did not lose out on the truth, just the
> time wasted by refusing to accept it. As well as the time lost in using the
> knowledge or in sharing it with someone in need.

Okay, thank goodness the Lord does not give up, and of course, He knows
the moment.

>>> I mention this to reinforce what I have said before, in regards to the word
>>> ‘perfect’ as used by God by his spirit. Jesus by his lips said to be
>>> ‘perfect’. Many a time I have mentioned that, yet few, if any, have
>>> openly given it a thought. But that aside for the moment, this scripture
>>> speaks specifically to the import of scriptures for the renewing of ones
>>> mind. It is, after all, the mind of God translated from the spiritual realm
>>> to this ‘real’ world realm that we live in. The world we are most
>>> familiar with on the natural. There is much more to be said on that but now
>>> is not the time. Without these words of God mankind would be ignorant.
>>
>> Can I say this?
>>
>> The bible is a testimony, but the Lord Jesus is much more than a written
>> testament, He is a Person.
>
> And when I give you ‘my word’ it is also a bond that can be counted on.
> It is who I am and that part of me would always be with you in case you had a
> need, all you would have to do is Call.
>
> Now magnify that by the power of the almighty, and He gave His word, His
> surety, a guaranteed promise, so that all might partake if they would only
> call. It therefore is part of Him and who He is. Yes, He is the source of
> Life, yes, he is The Door. To refuse the word of God and do things another
> way is the action of SELF. To downplay it, is motivated by self. And a huge
> yes to the fact that He IS, and He is the rewarder of those that serve Him.
> And if you do not study the word how are you going to know?

I guess one would have to rely on His Holy Spirit then, wouldn't one.
:-). All the saints in the bible did.

> Scripture and God are inseparable.

As was said, "The bible is a testimony, but the Lord Jesus is much more
than a written testament, He is a Person." Once you walk with Him you do
not need a testament about Him, you have Him.

I know, not popular, but I have never been popular, but your bible does
tell you, "Walk in the Spirit," not walk in the Spirit with the written
word.

Gal_5:25  If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

There is a God who is omnipotent and omnipresent, y'know. Anyone would
think that if one was marooned on a desert island without a bible one
would be doomed! :-). Far from it.

>> "Be ye perfect" means hearing Him and seeing Him in your daily life—like
>> finally with Job, and Peter, and Paul. Otherwise, anyone can do anything
>> with the scriptures, and they certainly do.

> If it far more than that. Far more.

Well, I say, it is simply hearing Him and seeing Him in your daily life.
Of course, that is from the standpoint of being born again, being a
servant and Him being your Lord. With Job it was "in the faith" and
accounted, like Abraham, as righteousness awaiting the Messiah, and
Peter and Paul in their new creature state in Christ Jesus.

>> Peter had his ideas and Paul had his ideas and then what happened? Peter
>> wept bitterly finally really seeing and hearing the Lord, Paul on the
>> road to Damascus with his head full of "study" finally saw and heard the
>> Lord.
>
> Paul as Saul only had head knowledge.

That is clear and that is Christendom today.

> And that was shaded. Peter at the
> beginning was impetuous but was open to the Lord, he was closer the that
> state of perfection at the beginning because of his great love and admiration
> for the Lord.His willingness, his devotion, his attitude of going his all to
> Jesus, so much so that he took up a sword to protect the God he loved. While
> Saul would have killed him. Neither were born again men at the time.

Of course.

>> A man MUST have a personal relationship with the Lord to be able to see
>> and hear God or he is floating his own boat. Learning and study falls
>> woefully short because of the nature that is in man.
>
> Without the indwelling Holy Spirit in a man, that man is lost. Period. Man
> must be Born Again in order to have a relationship with the Godhead. And even
> then one must walk in the spirit in order to grow, receive, and be empowered
> to do as God would have Him do.

A born again man is already empowered or his born-again-ness is
fraudulent. A new creature doesn't need to learn new creature-ness, it
has already been established by the Lord.

>>
>>
>> AI worshipping ChristRose desperately needs to learn that. :-). Though,
>> it is no joke. But then, sorry, so do you.
>
> It is never wise to pee against the wind.

Or take a no. 2 against the wind as well.

>>>>>> "Trying to do what?"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I read through the rest out of respect for the time you took to post it.
>>>>>> I commented at the endish.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you mean things other than what is the original context, then you
>>>>>>> should
>>>>>>> allude to that, if you want smooth communication with other people. I
>>>>>>> understand his change, as well as why. What he came to realize is what
>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>> written in scripture, and focused on in the Gospels as well as
>>>>>>> Revelations.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What he said that God told him clarified to me on a much broader scale
>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>> Jesus meant when he said that there would be many in the time of
>>>>>>> Judgment
>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>> called him Lord, yet never made him their Lord. Did works in his name,
>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>> healings and miracles, yet he never knew them. Many might wonder how
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> could be, but the Bible clearly teaches that there is authority in the
>>>>>>> name
>>>>>>> of Jesus, power in his name, and that his name is above all other names.
>>>>>>> (Which many people do not see or understand) Yet even in the days of
>>>>>>> Jesus
>>>>>>> people who were not his disciples were healing in his name.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jesus instructed him that he was only to share what he did with others
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> requested the info he was given. The why of that was easy to see and
>>>>>>> understand. He did as the Lord told him. The reactions of
>>>>>>> “christians”
>>>>>>> within these NG’s bore it out.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Even the “new commandment” that Jesus gave us falls upon deaf ears
>>>>>>> here.
>>>>>>> And has for as many years as I have posted here.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> While typing this the thought is constantly going through my mind, that
>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>> Jesus was posting here he would quickly move on.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The shame of it all is that even the atheist, thanks to you, recognize
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> wars that goes on between so-called christians, as they openly mock, and
>>>>>>> rightfully so, the lack of harmony, understanding, while they see the
>>>>>>> “christian” warfare like a cancer destroying communication of
>>>>>>> supposedly
>>>>>>> like minded people. Satan is having a field day here, just like he does
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> the churches with its various fractions.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How many see this going on, and feel totally vindicated in living their
>>>>>>> lives without God?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Where is the shame amongst the community of so-called believers?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, I am not of that club, so it does not apply to me. But indeed,
>>>>>> sinner justifying theology and behaviour is the modern "Christian"
>>>>>> landscape.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hmmm. So you stand alone, there is none like thee.
>>>>
>>>> I hope not! I'd have to put a bullet in my head if that was the case.
>>>> Nevertheless, I am not a product of the "so-called believers."
>>>
>>> You are a product of your long forgotten mentor. Who erred greatly.
>>
>> Well, you can say that if you like but it is not true.
>
> You will see that, one day.

Or you will see it was all of the Lord.

>> Plus, I don't forget. One time on my way to a Nursing lecture during my
>> training, the Lord told me, "Do not forget where you came from." I
>> thought it strange because I thought, how could I? Nevertheless, I
>> received what He said.

>>
>>>>> Have you counted all the
>>>>> peeps that have come in here with strange doctrines, who you agree with
>>>>> and
>>>>> fell all over yourself trying to establish a bond?
>>>>
>>>> There is more going on than doctrines, there are complex, diverse, and
>>>> unique people going on and at different stages of understanding. You
>>>> won't understand this, but sometimes I will go along with someone who
>>>> has a false doctrine until I have an opening to impart the truth.
>>>
>>> There is a difference between considering what they say, and acknowledging
>>> with confirmation what they say.
>>
>> I know what you are saying, but even that depends on the Lord. His ways
>> are above our ways. I know, you are saying that is His way. Well, I
>> don't judge what is His way, I just receive.
>
> Which is why we are to test the spirits......

I already know what is not and what is my Lord.

>>
>>
>>> Since everyone who reads your thoughts in
>>> script will see that you are one in agreement with them. There is no
>>> separation between you and the others, and we are to be separate unto God.
>>
>> Again, along to same lines, He is in control no matter what anyone
>> thinks or does. I just do as I am lead.
>
> There is a lot that could be said here, and needs to be said. But not in this
> forum.

There is always a lot to be said, it seems, but He is still in control.

>>> The RCC and other cults like the JW often use such deceptive thinking to be
>>> wise, but it is deceiving, and all one does is add to or compound their
>>> belief systems with confusion. To use an extremely simple example, take the
>>> RCC, a statue of Mary that one is to pray to and pray before with candles,
>>> incense, etc. and that church in Brazil. Wherein “introducing” their
>>> form
>>> of religion to the natives of the land who had their own gods and spirits to
>>> worship, They would bring them into the RCC temple, and show them Mary, but
>>> tell them that is XXXX one of their goddesses whom they worship. One result
>>> of that is Santeria.
>>
>> Horrendous, but expected.
>>
>>>> That is how God works. Y'know, like with the rich young ruler telling
>>>> the Lord he had kept the law since his youth. Yeah, right.
>>>
>>> He did, as did the Pharisee that prided themselves on that matter. Yet they
>>> knew not God. Jesus never placated their belief system, he told them flat
>>> out that their spiritual father was Satan, the god of this world. Yet he
>>> recognized their stiff self-righteousness, giving credence to it, while
>>> stating it was all for naught.
>>
>> I am speaking of compassion, the Lord's compassion, and patience.
>
> Your ending comment on the rich young rule did not connote that. :(

You can see it that way if you like.

The context and my discussion was all about the compassion and patience
of the Lord with the presumptuous, dare I say, impertinent rich boy.

And I don't like him because when he walked away from my Lord, in the
Spirit he was saying, My Lord was a failure! Asshole!

>>>>> But when they were
>>>>> stubborn in their own rights and refused to adapt to your way it all
>>>>> quickly
>>>>> eroded?
>>>>
>>>> If anyone does not respond to the Lord's will, then the "erosion" as you
>>>> put it in on them. It is not His will.
>>>
>>> What makes you think that what you say is the Lords will? (That is a
>>> question, not a statement or an offhanded slight)
>>
>> I just know. It can't be explained because it is an experience. I can
>> say this, though: it always comes from the heart, not the head. I make
>> no apologies, but why do I call people whores and sinners, whoring
>> sinners and sinning whores and the like? Well, they are for one, but it
>> is not a judgement of them; it is just the truth.
>
> That is not true, for in my personal state I know of whom I am, I am sure of
> my relationship in many ways. I know the Voice of God and I have heard the
> voice to the vile one, I am not ignorant of his devices.

I just answered your question.

> So the terminology you use upon and towards me is in full error. And as it
> currently stands you will be judged as you judge. Not my words but the Lords.
> May the grace of God reveal that to you lest a terrible thing befalls you.

I am at peace with my Lord.

Song of songs 7:10  I am my beloved's, and his desire is toward me. That
is it.

I just answered your question, but for some reason you took it personally.

>> But why or what is it really all about?
>>
>> Only this: it is all about how they treat the Lord. The religious
>> (lukewarm) are far worse than any base atheist! Oh, all men are sinners,
>> and the bible saying we are all continuing sinners is nonsense;
>
> I have been mulling over 1 John 1 so as to shed light on that fact. I am in
> between the two extremes between you and AI Rosie.

I am not an extreme, though.

The colon (KJV) after 1 John 1:6 is very important to understand what
follows it.

Michael Christ wrote something that was changed:
>> they
>> only see what they want to see! My Lord is not morning and then off into the
>> world to live according to your own will.

You changed my words, you have no right or unction of the Lord to do
that in the name of your own cultural superimposed humanistic morality.

> Your speech is shameful, vile, filthy and not purr the word of God It is of
> Satan, Impure vile and unholy.

No, it is not.

God's ways are not fallen man's moral ways.

What is satanic, vile, and unholy in His eyes is the behaviour that was
vividly described!

>> Blunt, yes. But it is crude in the Spirit, to say the very least!
>>
>> Can you see what I am saying?
>
> Yeah,

Then, if that be the truth, the Lord's message got through. People
horrendously abuse and try to screw the Lord with lies and pretense on
Sunday (hearts are far from Him) and then sail off into their week in
their own putrid whoring will and take Him for a fool! And to tell you
the truth, I don't know whether the former or the latter is worse!

> you are no different than AI Rosie thinking he found a way to shout out
> a certain word, for the shock value, and to use it liberally and then he
> further degraded into the usage of other vile language cloaked by using the
> initials that are familiar to many.

If it is too hot in the kitchen for your great nobility, you be better
get out of it then.

God's ways are not your ways.

>> It makes me angry, and if it makes me angry, there is anger in Christ
>> Jesus. He doesn't deserve it. He only deserves total obedience, worship,
>> and being lifted up and exalted above all things.
>>
>> And if you want your bible, but do you really need it here to know what
>> is being said?
>>
>> Rom 12:1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that
>> ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God,
>> which is your reasonable service.
>>
>> Rom 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by
>> the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and
>> acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
>>
>> And why does Paul write that?
>>
>> For the same reason I give above, only it is softened because it is to
>> the general assembly so that all understand. In your case, though, the
>> Lord is speaking directly to you.
>
> No, what you did was of Satan, and in it you took pride.

It is your pride that has been offended. That's your choice.

> Fact of the matter, it is so disgusting and distasteful that I am surprised
> that I skimmed through your post this far, after what you said. I leave in
> the the hands of the Lord to rebuke you, for your good, whatever it may take.
> In the hopes that your spirit might be saved.

Do as you wish, it is your call.

Since you have no stomach to finish the exchange, we'll leave it there then.

Michael Christ

>
>>
>>
>>>>> The last one who you cottoned to was the clown called nightshade,
>>>>
>>>> NightBulb.
>>>>
>>>> He got offended. Again, that is on him.
>>>
>>> Consider his self-righteous name ’Nightbulb’ that should have been a
>>> close. God is the light of the Day, Satan is the light of the dark. There is
>>> no darkness before God, the dark runs as it is exposed. It flees. Light
>>> never
>>> resides in Dark. “This then is the message which we have heard of him, and
>>> declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.”
>>> (1Jn 1:5, KJV)
>>
>> Yes, I know. But the Lord does not want me to stop at every red flag out
>> of compassion and patience.
>>
>> NightBulb has potential, that's all. He's an asshole, yes, but God often
>> chooses assholes. Hey, I was one and as far as I know, I still have one.
>>> -).
>>
>>>>> At the time you both said that you believed there was no hell for any
>>>>> man.,
>>>>> etc. etc.
>>>>
>>>> I didn't say there was no hell. However, I have and still entertain that
>>>> possibility that God will save all. The Lord hasn't spoken to me yet
>>>> about that, but He did raise the thought. Anyway, as your club states,
>>>> all men are sinners, why then choose one and not another?
>>>
>>> That is the reason I said “no hell for any man”.
>>
>> All I have in my heart right now is that the Lord Jesus died for
>> everyone, while we were all yet sinners, and His heart is that all be
>> forgiven, for they know not what they do. It sits there for me right
>> now, but it was through "NightBastard" that the Lord brought the
>> meditation. :-).
>>
>> I'll let you know if things change. Okay? :-).
>>
>> There is something, however, there may be, and it is speculation (I can
>> do that, y'know): the few will be the royal family, but the many will go
>> on to be servants.
>>
>> Remember, it is only SPECULATION, so don't bring down the hammer of Thor
>> on me! In other words, the last shall be first, and the first shall be
>> last. Those who choose to be masters in this life will be servants in
>> the next, and those who choose to be servants in this life will be
>> masters in the next.
>>
>> What you sow, so shall you reap.
>>
>> Only in this case, when the slaves in the next life see what they missed
>> out on, they will be devastated; it'll be like hell at first. All
>> speculation aside, though, the servants in this life do not serve the
>> Lord for what they can get, for they love the Lord with all their being
>> and would willingly choose to be servants for eternity unto Him because
>> of who He is.
>>
>> One more bit of speculation, if you will allow: every knee shall bow (an
>> act of submission) could be the result, one way or another, of all
>> putting their faith in Him.
>>
>> Anyway, God does not change, and it is still His desire that all be saved.
>>
>> 1 Tim 2:3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
>> 1 Tim 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the
>> knowledge of the truth.
>>
>> We'll see, but concerning myself, I don't have to think about it because
>> I know where my treasure is.
>>
>>> Scripture speaks directly as to why a person goes to heaven and hell. In
>>> fact
>>> that is one of the points that the Lord made clear to that “good Baptist
>>> Minister” who was doing the works of SELF.
>>
>> Well, you get to believe my testimony or not. He went on in "self"
>> despite the revelation with the "trying," but who knows that may not
>> have been his end. I am not the judge.
>>
>>> Michael, I have to pause here, because of that last phrase you spoke in the
>>> paragraph above, To me it shouts out the problem here.
>>> I’ll get back to you on this. I need to seek the Lord further in regards
>>> as
>>> to how to respond with understanding.
>>
>> Okay, but are you going to complete the rest of this post?
>>
>> If we are doing it, we need to do it thoroughly because all things are
>> intertwined.
>>
>> Michael Christ
>>
>>>> A bit of claimed "sinner" theology doesn't change a thing. A sinner is a
>>>> sinner is a whore is a whore. Of course, WhoreRosie is happy to remain
>>>> one and cuddle his "unbiased" theology. :-).
>>>>
>>>>> You agreed for a time with his doctrines because he had them all down
>>>>> pat with fancy phrases as if he was intelligent. You were sucked into his
>>>>> vacuous thinking for a time.
>>>>
>>>> NightBulb has understanding, but that understanding is askew, that's
>>>> all. You are all like that.
>>>>
>>>>> Why? If your doctrines were so true and unshakeable?
>>>>
>>>> I don't do "doctrine." I have a relationship with the Lord and He is the
>>>> Lord of my life. I am covered in the dust of my Rabbi. Therefore
>>>> everything I do is right. That is something all you "Christians" should
>>>> be walking in if He was truly the Lord of your lives.
>>>>
>>>> I know what you are doing above, but you are wrong. The Lord's ways are
>>>> foreign to the dogma of the claims of the "churches," and don't conform,
>>>> at all to the "moral" imperatives that are in the culture, religious or
>>>> otherwise.
>>>>
>>>>> Just saying, so you can
>>>>> think about it and how quickly you can sell your soul, or should I say,
>>>>> give
>>>>> your soul to the devil.
>>>>>
>>>>> His “crew” all disappeared. LOL
>>>>
>>>> My life belongs to the Lord, despite what anyone "thinks," and so
>>>> whenever anyone condemns me or says anything accusatory it is all water
>>>> off a duck's back. And I have plenty of rather unsanitary water from you
>>>> over the years.
>>>>
>>>> "I don't kneel to something above the level of my knees." The Lord told
>>>> me that not so long ago. I thought to myself, that is strange, because
>>>> surely the Lord is above the level of my knees? Then I saw, no He is
>>>> not, He is seated (like the Rabbis of old) and I do kneel to Him because
>>>> He is below the level of my knees. It is also speaks of kneeling
>>>> (humbling) to those in need, no matter what doctrine they have, but not
>>>> to the proud who demand I kneel before their imperfect doctrines and
>>>> contextual preferences.
>>>>
>>>> Cute, eh? :-).
>>>>
>>>>>> No shame about the poorly treated way their regard is for the Lord. In a
>>>>>> "just say you are sorry" for a "piece of stupid" and "mistake" culture,
>>>>>> claim a doctrine, and you are saved.
>>>>>
>>>>> That is another one of your manufactured ideas. You could not understand
>>>>> so
>>>>> you restructured and fabricated it all into a doctrine that stemmed from
>>>>> your
>>>>> mind, yeah, you used a quip he used occasionally, never grasping what he
>>>>> meant by that from his countryside manners.
>>>>
>>>> I don't know what you are talking about.
>>>>
>>>> The mainstream sinner religionists have no shame about the way they
>>>> poorly treat the Lord. They just forgive themselves and claim a
>>>> doctrine. It is just, 'you violate God's will and you just click on the
>>>> right verse to get yourself out of it'—it is the typical religious way
>>>> now.
>>>>
>>>> Imagine treating my Lord like that!
>>>>
>>>> No, devastating guilt for what they have done, and no cry to the Lord
>>>> out of a broken heart and contrite spirit. It is just another day of
>>>> continual sin and doctrine claiming.
>>>>
>>>>>> Well, it doesn't work that way. Only those who love the Lord with all
>>>>>> their heart, soul, and mind enter the covenant.
>>>>>
>>>>> You are opposed to “the covenant”.
>>>>
>>>> Only those who love the Lord with all their heart, soul, and mind enter
>>>> the covenant, and it is the Lord of the covenant who decides who is in
>>>> the covenant.
>>>>
>>>>> If what you said were true your entire
>>>>> demeanor would be transformed.
>>>>
>>>> Would I? So, would I be like Duane?
>>>>
>>>>> You would walk in the spirit and understand
>>>>> the things written in scripture in concert with the spirit of God and many
>>>>> born again spirit filled believers.
>>>>
>>>> Like Duane? Or like whom?
>>>>
>>>>>>> No small wonder that the Lord said, “Depart from me ye workers of
>>>>>>> Iniquity. I never knew you."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The so-called believers with bible in hand are indeed workers of
>>>>>> iniquity. They live as liars and attempt to steal the truth for
>>>>>> themselves.
>>>>>
>>>>> There are many of those, of which that Pastor spoke about, which included
>>>>> him
>>>>> up to the point where he died. On his request for the second pleading he
>>>>> had
>>>>> changed, acknowledging the truth as the Lord saw it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Your works are your repetitive mantra about Loving the Lord with all you
>>>>> heart.
>>>>
>>>> A very good mantra, wouldn't you think?
>>>>
>>>>> Etc. Yet it is impossible for you to walk the talk. You just talk the
>>>>> talk, no walk with him. You cannot even explain what it means, and given
>>>>> that
>>>>> the entire Bible is the Word of God, which can never pass away, you cannot
>>>>> explain you lack of respect for it, nor even understand major portions of
>>>>> it.
>>>>
>>>> My Lord is not tardy in giving me understanding directly from Him as I
>>>> need it.
>>>>
>>>>> I really hate to reiterate all these things,
>>>>
>>>> Try to bare up. :-).
>>>>
>>>>> as they and more have been
>>>>> mentioned to you countless times. But Michael, things are about to change
>>>>> quickly. The full out spiritual warfare has begun. God is raising up an
>>>>> army
>>>>> to tear down the evil, and raise a standard against it. While the Army of
>>>>> God
>>>>> will win the spiritual battle, satan is going to do his best to delay and
>>>>> destroy. There will be many things everyone will see and wonder about.
>>>>> There
>>>>> will be many mighty reversals and some suddenly. As this all occurs, where
>>>>> will you stand in all of this? Alone?
>>>>
>>>> But I am never alone?
>>>>
>>>> And, there is nothing happening as far as I can see, only a lot of
>>>> talking and wishful thinking amongst the religious and the world
>>>> incrementally going to rack and ruin.
>>>>
>>>> Besides, whatever the world (Satan) does, the Lord has all power in
>>>> heaven and earth.
>>>>
>>>>>> That should remind you of what the Lord Jesus said (Matthew 21:37-39).
>>>>>
>>>>> Read verse 44.
>>>>
>>>> Meh, My Lord is the Lord.
>>>>
>>>> And what about my point and context about those usurpers who pretend to
>>>> be with the Lord but only lie about what they are and try to steal the
>>>> truth for themselves?
>>>>
>>>>>> Anyway, I hear what you have said but you have not heard what I said.
>>>>>
>>>>> That tune of yours has not publicly changed for as long as we have known
>>>>> of
>>>>> each other.
>>>>> I hear you, but you do not hear the Heavenly Father. Which is why you lack
>>>>> understanding, peace and love.
>>>>> May you open your eyes to the Lord and see, before you pass through the
>>>>> vail.
>>>>
>>>> I went through it already. Only those who cling to their religious
>>>> (including the atheists) ways are without. I not bothered anymore about
>>>> whether you hear me as I know where and what you are now.
>>>>
>>>> By the way, are you with the AI worshipping ChristRosie who is too good
>>>> to post for the atheists? Now, is that a rhetorical question or not? :-).
>>>>
>>>> Michael Christ
>
>

--
God is God in all His Being.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that a sinner could play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: A man full of bluster and bullshit
pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

What does a fool do? A fool looks for a "nothing" in a "something" in
order to explain the existence of existence.

"Unless you do all because He is who He is, all your religion is in vain."

"Every man is subject to God; He judges every man, and He is reality.
 What a gift in a fallen world!"

"Love MUST be a choice or it is nothing but a law!"

"Why were all men born sinners? So that God could reveal Himself, so
that we would behold the glory of God, and that we should bring forth
the glory of God"

"God does not and will not arbitrate for any man to love Him! If God
isn't everything to you, He is nothing to you where the rubber meets the
road."

"It is the unforgivable sin not to love God with all your heart, soul,
and mind. What do you have that is lasting? It is not so much being
punished; it is what you are left with."

"Love isn't worth anything without first a free will choice for God to
birth it in a man."

"The point of salvation: desperation. Anything less than that is
self-righteousness."

"A sinner is not a believer in God; a sinner is a believer in sin."

"A piece of dirt is not the promised land; that is only a reflection.
The promised land is knowing Me, says the Lord."

"It is all about God or it is all about idolatry."

"The Lord Jesus is coming soon. He has always come soon."

"There is no revolving door of self-worship in a son of God's life!"

"There is no such thing as random!"

"You can't truly love without it being with all your heart."

"No one can see God without their whole heart. Unless you can see God,
you know nothing."

"You can't learn God, God has to reveal Himself to you."

"No sinner is sinless in any way."

"Only God is life; only the Kingdom of God of His "Nature" is life."

"What you believe is just a leaning on your own understanding; faith is
a leaning on the one you have chosen to trust."

"God uses the "letter" to crucify a man and raise him from the dead."

"Not fearing God is sheer stupidity for sinners."

"Self-righteousness is any exclusion of God in your heart, because any
exclusion reveals that you think more about yourself than what you
really are."