C_V <c_v@invalid.net> wrote in news:v6ul5n$3nfff$12@dont-email.me:

> On 7/13/2024 12:33 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>> "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in
>> news:v6u881$3ld90$4@dont-email.me:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Mitchell Holman" <noemail@aol.com> wrote in message
>>> news:XnsB1AD80BA53851629555@185.151.15.190...
>>>> "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in
>>>> news:v6rhmv$332su$7@dont-email.me:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Mitchell Holman" <noemail@aol.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:XnsB1ACD38BC1AB7629555@185.151.15.190...
>>>>>> In the Name of Jesus <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote in
>>>>>> news:v6pi30 $2knpg$1@dont-email.me:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 12/07/2024 3:37 am, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>>>> "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in
>>>>>> news:v6onj4
>>>>>>>> $2g188$8@dont-email.me:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Mitchell Holman" <noemail@aol.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:XnsB1AB7F2475B95629555@185.151.15.160...
>>>>>>>>>> "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>> news:v6m78d$1v0jr$8@dont-email.me:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "Mitchell Holman" <noemail@aol.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>> news:XnsB1AA828AE711629555@185.151.15.190...
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>> in news:v6jl2l $1ebn2$20@dont-email.me:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Mitchell Holman" <noemail@aol.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:XnsB1A9D7EAF3E86629555@185.151.15.190...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sam <samt@samt.invalid> wrote in news:lf3kckFcicnU1
>>>>>>>>>>>> @mid.individual.net:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 9 Jul 2024 11:37:20 +1000, In the Name of Jesus
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sure, if we all walked in truth.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In the Name of Jesus
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LOL! That is quite the babbling signature you have. It
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seems to say, "Hate people that do not believe as I do!"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That IS what the Bible requires..............
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Death to Followers of Other Religions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (Exodus 22:19)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kill Nonbelievers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (2 Chronicles 15:12-13)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (Deuteronomy 13:13-19)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kill Followers of Other Religions.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (Deuteronomy 13:7-12)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You mean the bible written by PEOPLE?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "God's Holy Word"
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Divinely Inspired"
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Holy Writ"
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> So written by people.. possibly even delusional people, and
>>>>>>>>>>> that's suppose to be accepted blindly and without question?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> What about when the Bible contradicts itself.. how are we
>>>>>>>>>>> suppose
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> take that if we can't accept that the authors are flawed
>>>>>>>>>>> human
>>>>>> beings
>>>>>>>>>>> and thus the Bible is imperfect?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Take that up with Pastor Hartung, he
>>>>>>>>>> runs away every time I ask him these sorts
>>>>>>>>>> of questions.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm taking it up with YOU.. you're the one claiming the Bible
>>>>>>>>> has to
>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>> blindly obeyed.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Huh?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What I posted above was satire.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The Bible is just contradictory
>>>>>>>> and nonsensical gobbledy-gook invented
>>>>>>>> by illiterate goat herders to explain
>>>>>>>> what they didn't know.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You don't get it, Mitchell.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You use the bible (e.g., your nonsensical gobbledy-gook) as your
>>>>>>> argument and reference for your truth.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You are the greatest bible believing, non-bible believing,
>>>>>>> atheist I know. :-).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The first step toward atheism
>>>>>> is actually READING the Bible.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ok, I'll bite.. How does reading the bible establish that Gods do
>>>>> not, can not, and have never existed....
>>>>>
>>>>> I mean I can see where you might have doubts, and become
>>>>> agnostic.. but to flip to the total denial seems unfounded....
>>>>> After all, what would an ant make of us? What makes you think an
>>>>> intelligence as much above us as we are above an ant simply could
>>>>> not exist?
>>>>>
>>>>> So let me try your own argument. Prove that God doesn't exist.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The demand for proof of a negative:
>>>> always the sign of a failed argument.
>>>
>>> If you cant prove God doesn't exist, then God could exist without
>>> your knowledge.
>>
>>
>> "Could exist"?
>>
>> If your faith had any facts
>> behind it you wouldn't need faith.
>
> Fact:
>
> https://www.sci.news/othersciences/paleoclimatology/article00384.html
>
> https://cdn.sci.news/images/2012/06/image_384.jpg
>
> https://biblearchaeology.org/research/patriarchal-era/2364-the-discover
> y-of-the-sin-cities-of-sodom-and-gomorrah

Fact:

Archeology is Demolishing the History of the Bible

Israel Finkelstein, chairman of the Archaeology
Department at Tel Aviv University, with archaeology
historian Neil Asher Silberman, has just published
a book called "The Bible Unearthed: Archaeology's
New Vision of Ancient Israel and the Origin of Its
Sacred Text.

"The Israelites were never in Egypt, did not wander
in the desert, did not conquer the land [of Canaan]
in a military campaign and did not pass it on to
the twelve tribes of Israel. Perhaps even harder to
swallow is the fact that the united kingdom of David
and Solomon, described in the Bible as a regional
power, was at most a small tribal kingdom."

Jerusalem was essentially a cow town, not the glorious
capital of an empire. These findings have been accepted
by the majority of biblical scholars and archaeologists
for years and even decades.

The tales of the patriarchs -- Abraham, Isaac and
Joseph among others -- were the first to go when
biblical scholars found those passages rife with
anachronisms and other inconsistencies. The story
of Exodus, one of the most powerful epics of
enslavement, courage and liberation in human
history, also slipped from history to legend when
archaeologists could no longer ignore the lack of
corroborating contemporary Egyptian accounts and
the absence of evidence of large encampments in
the Sinai Peninsula ("the wilderness" where Moses
brought the Israelites after leading them through
the parted Red Sea).

http://freethought.mbdojo.com/archeology.html

1 Jan 8, 2012
ARCHEOLOGISTS AGREE: MOSES NEVER EXISTED.

The main book of Judaism, called the Torah (the first
5 books of the Old Testament, "OT") is filled with
stories of a man called Moses, the story of Exodus
and the persecution of Jews by an Egyptian king who
allegedly enslaved them.

The Torah is obvious mythology. The fact that it is
fiction is obvious from Book 1, Page 1. The Earth is
not 4000 years old. Cultures (unknown to the scribes)
flourished much before. Written records and archeological
evidence using carbon dating show man's presence tens
of thousands of years ago, probably over a 100,000 years
ago. A million people cannot live in a vast desert
(without water or food) in a hostile nation for 40 years-
-and leave no trace.

The techniques of higher criticism showed that the Old
Testament was weaved together out of four source documents
and was produced much later than claimed.

Furthermore, archaelogical and historical evidence has
proven Moses, Exodus, Abraham, Joshua, King David, etc.
to be basically myths copied from African and Eastern/
Middle Eastern cultures.

For eg., according to Prof. Ze'ev Herzog who teaches
in the Department of Archaeology and Ancient Near Eastern
Studies at Tel Aviv University, in "Deconstructing the
Walls of Jericho", states as follows:

"This is what archaeologists have learned from their
excavations in the Land of Israel: the Israelites were
never in Egypt, did not wander in the desert, did not
conquer the land in a military campaign and did not
pass it on to the 12 tribes of Israel. Perhaps even
harder to swallow is the fact that the united monarchy
of David and Solomon, which is described by the Bible
as a regional power, was at most a small tribal kingdom.
...... Most of those who are engaged in scientific work
in the interlocking spheres of the Bible, archaeology
and the history of the Jewish people - and who once went
into the field looking for proof to corroborate the Bible
story - now agree that the historic events relating to
the stages of the Jewish people's emergence are radically
different from what that story tells." (in an article in
the Jewish magazine Haaretz, as republished on):

http://tinyurl.com/q2sxvmp

>
> Faith:
>
> https://guidedtoursofisrael.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/lot-wife.jpg
> ?w=300
>

Faith:

"Then, behold, the veil of the temple
was torn in two from top to bottom;
and the earth quaked, and the rocks
were split, and the graves were opened;
and many bodies of the saints who had
fallen asleep were raised; and coming
out of the graves after His resurrection,
they went into the holy city and appeared
to many."
Matthew 27:51-53