On 11/07/2024 12:08 am, Scout wrote:
>
>
> "In the Name of Jesus" <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote in message
> news:v6kbr4$1h7n1$3@dont-email.me...
>> On 10/07/2024 12:58 am, Scout wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "Baxter" <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote in message
>>> news:v6htg3$12l5j$2@dont-email.me...
>>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:668c3810$0$1895504
>>>> $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>>
>>>>> In article <v6hbpb$vsbu$2@dont-email.me>, bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com
>>>>> says...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just Wondering <JW@jw.com> wrote in
>>>>>> news:MNTiO.37895$Q786.19933@fx10.iad:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > On 7/8/2024 7:34 AM, Scout wrote:
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> "Baxter" <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> >> news:v6epr8$f597$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>>> >>> doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote in news:v6e2ig$4fj$5
>>>>>> >>> @gallifrey.nk.ca:
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>> In article <X_viO.61872$C9He.19099@fx15.ams4>,
>>>>>> >>>> Andrew <andrew.321.remov@usa.net> wrote:
>>>>>> >>>>> One becomes an atheist when they do not
>>>>>> >>>>> want God in their life. Not because there
>>>>>> >>>>> is no evidence for God.
>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>> Because evidence for our most awesome
>>>>>> >>>>> Creator is there in the very *creation* that
>>>>>> >>>>> He made;
>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>> And is evident for ~anyone~ who wants to
>>>>>> >>>>> know.
>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> Atheist science is a contradiction.
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> You're both full of shit.  There is NO evidence of god.  And
>>>>>> >>> science does not rely in any way on a god - theoretical nor real.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Nor does it deny gods
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Religion refers to a belief in a set of organized beliefs.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Therefore technically atheism is a religion in that they have a
>>>>>> set
>>>>>> >> of organized beliefs that no Gods exist.
>>>>>> >> Further they can not prove such beliefs to be true and instead
>>>>>> rely
>>>>>> >> upon it as a matter of faith... like a religion.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Given the vast expanse of the Universe we know of.. and how little
>>>> we
>>>>>> >> actually know about so much of the universe. There could be
>>>> entities
>>>>>> >> that would seem like Gods to us both in the past and even today.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> > You don't have to call atheism a religion to correctly
>>>>>> > observe that it takes a great deal of faith to be an atheist.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It takes a lack of Faith to be an atheist.
>>>>>
>>>>> You have faith there is no God.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Not faith.  just like a vaccum has nothing to do with faith.
>>>
>>> But you have faith that there is nothing there. It's not because you
>>> KNOW, it's not because you have PROOF, it's because you have faith
>>> that you know everything about the universe to state that nothing
>>> like that exists or ever has.
>>>
>>> That is called FAITH.
>>>
>>> And just to be sure you understand:
>>>
>>> faith
>>> /faTH/
>>> noun
>>> 1. complete trust or confidence in someone or something.
>>>
>>> If you have complete trust and confidence that no God exists.....
>>> then that is faith.
>>
>> True, but no one can say that in absolute truth.
>
> However, for the purposes of this discussion, it's close enough given
> the same could be said about the believers of any religion.
>
>> So, atheism is all about faith.
>
> Seems like it. It's just a different faith.. I mean they even have their
> own churches. So either they are lying about their lack of faith or they
> are committing tax evasion and should go to jail.
>
>> Even the hardened Kevrob atheist admitted he leaves the door ever so
>> slightly open, which was honest.
>
> True, you have to give him that. I tend to be more of an agnostic type
> of person.

That is the objective and more honest position.

> I would acknowledge the possibility of one or more entities
> which would be god like, but currently we have no true evidence of such
> being(s). However, if our thoughts about the size of the Universe is
> anywhere close to being true, and the time that the Universe is thought
> to have existed.. there could be entities that are as far above us, as
> we are above ants.

Indubitably. I, of course, believe in God and have been walking with Him
for almost 40 years, and I can say, without any doubt, he considers you
far and above any ant...and me. :-).

> So who is to say otherwise? We do things today that in the middle ages
> would have you burned at the stake for being a witch/warlock as it would
> seem like magic.

Imagine if one day we were walking down the road in 1889 AD and I said
to you, "You know, in 80 years we'll be walking on that moon." We
weren't even flying planes then!

>> I like you, somewhat, you have a certain amount of objectivity and
>> logic in you. Baxter, well, not so much.
>
> I try to objective and logical, don't always succeed, but I do attempt
> it. Which is why I pester Baxter so much on his claims that lack any
> proof or even reasonable basis. Further I dislike how he dismissed
> contrary evidence and proofs that conflict with his beliefs. We should
> be able to establish what we know to be true.. and then accept the rest
> is a matter of faith. What is amusing about Baxter is that even in his
> faith.. he regularly contradicts himself.

It is pretty hard—almost impossible, in fact—to get anything through to
anyone who is in constant denial, religious or otherwise.

In the Name of Jesus

--
God is God in all His Being. All the glory is His, for He is all glory.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that a sinner could play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: A man full of bluster and bullshit
pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

What does a fool do? A fool looks for a "nothing" in a "something" in
order to explain the existence of existence.

"Unless you do all because He is who He is, all your religion is in vain."

"Every man is subject to God; He judges every man, and He is reality.
 What a gift in a fallen world!"

"Love MUST be a choice or it is nothing but a law!"

"Why were all men born sinners? So that God could reveal Himself, so
that we would behold the glory of God, and that we should bring forth
the glory of God"

"God does not and will not arbitrate for any man to love Him! If God
isn't everything to you, He is nothing to you where the rubber meets the
road."

"It is the unforgivable sin not to love God with all your heart, soul,
and mind. What do you have that is lasting? It is not so much being
punished; it is what you are left with."

"Love isn't worth anything without first a free will choice for God to
birth it in a man."

"The point of salvation: desperation. Anything less than that is
self-righteousness."

"A sinner is not a believer in God; a sinner is a believer in sin."

"A piece of dirt is not the promised land; that is only a reflection.
The promised land is knowing Me, says the Lord."

"It is all about God or it is all about idolatry."

"The Lord Jesus is coming soon. He has always come soon."

"There is no revolving door of self-worship in a son of God's life!"

"There is no such thing as random!"

"You can't truly love without it being with all your heart."

"No one can see God without their whole heart. Unless you can see God,
you know nothing."

"You can't learn God, God has to reveal Himself to you."

"No sinner is sinless in any way."

"Only God is life; only the Kingdom of God of His "Nature" is life."

"What you believe is just a leaning on your own understanding; faith is
a leaning on the one you have chosen to trust."

"God uses the "letter" to crucify a man and raise him from the dead."

"Not fearing God is sheer stupidity for sinners."

"Self-righteousness is any exclusion of God in your heart, because any
exclusion reveals that you think more about yourself than what you
really are."

"Atheism: "The claim that life received from itself."

"But remember this: always, absolutely always, all the glory is the
Lord's and His alone, and anyone who takes any credit for anything, you
know, instantly, he is not what he pretends to be and is a false prophet."

"That light had to bear (bears all things) the darkness for us, but that
light did not ever become darkness."

"You must reach beyond the bible that tells you about Him, and into your
daily life to find Him in Person. He's there."

"What is wrong with Christendom? False understanding based on compromise."

"It is not in man to love his enemies. And if he tries, he is walking in
a lie and trying to raise himself up to the level of God."

"