On May 6, 2024, Michael Christ wrote
(in article <v1a8mi$2eehl$1@dont-email.me>):

> On 6/05/2024 2:23 pm, Robert wrote:
> > On May 5, 2024, Michael Christ wrote
> > (in article <v19718$22vnf$4@dont-email.me>):
> >
> > > On 6/05/2024 8:45 am, Robert wrote:
> > > > On May 5, 2024, Michael Christ wrote
> > > > (in article <v18v9q$22vnf$3@dont-email.me>):
> > > >
> > > > > Michael Christ wrote:
> > > > > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKGUq7AGDm0
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Go to the 15:45-minute mark to the 18:11-minute mark.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > It is a mix of what is right and what is wrong, what is perfect and
> > > > > > > > > what is not.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > When he says "try" what is he saying?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Trying to be what?
> > > > >
> > > > > Maximus wrote:
> > > > > > > > I didn't watch it, but the word 'angel' in the bible means simply
> > > > > > > > messenger. spiritual beings with wings in white robes is just made up
> > > > > > > > stuff.
> > > > >
> > > > > Michael Christ wrote:
> > > > > > > Lots of people make up stuff about lots of things because they don't
> > > > > > > know what to believe. I understand the dilemma.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If you want to know the answer to the question, the man is trying to be
> > > > > > > righteous, and that is a big no no. It portrays the sacrifice on the
> > > > > > > cross of the Lord Jesus of no effect and of no value. He is lying and
> > > > > > > stealing. Lying because he is pretending the Lord comes first, and
> > > > > > > stealing because he is seeking to make himself the truth.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > He doesn't know that, but it doesn't change anything.
> > > > >
> > > > > Robert wrote:
> > > > > > Michael, that is what he said he was, as a pastor before he died. That
> > > > > > is why
> > > > > > he was so shocked to find out that “after doing all the right things”,
> > > > > > he was not.
> > > > >
> > > > > Clearly.
> > > > >
> > > > > I know, Robert.
> > > > >
> > > > > But do you know what I said?
> > > > >
> > > > > "Trying...to be what?"
> > > > >
> > > > > Did his experience destroy him or did he just change tack?
> > > > >
> > > > > Michael Christ
> > > > >
> > > > > > “Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the
> > > > > > Son
> > > > > > of man.” (Luk 21:36, KJV)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Michael Christ
> > > >
> > > > You are are shifting the goal posts of what he meant.
> > > > He definitely meant
> > > > what it was that I answered, but you appear to have shifted that
> > > > altogether
> > > > to mean his current life with God, not his prior life as a do-gooder/works
> > > > type of guy.
> > >
> > > He continued in his "do-gooder/works."
> >
> > Even you cannot claim that of him. Since he is no longer doing what he used
> > to. The only way you can claim that is by your personal judgments of what
> > “do-gooder/works” is by totally disregarding what he said.
>
> I am sure he had revelation from the Lord in regards to his "good
> works." However, what people say and what people do tends to be
> continents apart.

That is why there are so many recognizable hypocrites.
>
> When he said "try," as in "try to be righteous" though, it gave him
> away. You should have picked that up in my opinion.

You read that into him. It is not what he was speaking of. As I mentioned at
the fore, he was speaking about being ‘perfect’, I appreciate your
politeness of speech and thought here, yet there is a time to consider what a
person speaks,

>
> If you don't see it, fine, you never seem to see what I see anyway.

Michael, what exactly are you told to study? Why?

“Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be
ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.” (2Ti 2:15, KJV)

I mention this to reinforce what I have said before, in regards to the word
‘perfect’ as used by God by his spirit. Jesus by his lips said to be
‘perfect’. Many a time I have mentioned that, yet few, if any, have
openly given it a thought. But that aside for the moment, this scripture
speaks specifically to the import of scriptures for the renewing of ones
mind. It is, after all, the mind of God translated from the spiritual realm
to this ‘real’ world realm that we live in. The world we are most
familiar with on the natural. There is much more to be said on that but now
is not the time. Without these words of God mankind would be ignorant.

>
>
> > > "Trying to do what?"
> > >
> > > I read through the rest out of respect for the time you took to post it.
> > > I commented at the endish.
> >
> > Thanks.
> > >
> > >
> > > > If you mean things other than what is the original context, then you
> > > > should
> > > > allude to that, if you want smooth communication with other people. I
> > > > understand his change, as well as why. What he came to realize is what was
> > > > written in scripture, and focused on in the Gospels as well as
> > > > Revelations.
> > > >
> > > > What he said that God told him clarified to me on a much broader scale
> > > > what
> > > > Jesus meant when he said that there would be many in the time of Judgment
> > > > who
> > > > called him Lord, yet never made him their Lord. Did works in his name,
> > > > like
> > > > healings and miracles, yet he never knew them. Many might wonder how that
> > > > could be, but the Bible clearly teaches that there is authority in the
> > > > name
> > > > of Jesus, power in his name, and that his name is above all other names.
> > > > (Which many people do not see or understand) Yet even in the days of Jesus
> > > > people who were not his disciples were healing in his name.
> > > >
> > > > Jesus instructed him that he was only to share what he did with others
> > > > that
> > > > requested the info he was given. The why of that was easy to see and
> > > > understand. He did as the Lord told him. The reactions of “christians”
> > > > within these NG’s bore it out.
> > > >
> > > > Even the “new commandment” that Jesus gave us falls upon deaf ears
> > > > here.
> > > > And has for as many years as I have posted here.
> > > >
> > > > While typing this the thought is constantly going through my mind, that if
> > > > Jesus was posting here he would quickly move on.
> > > >
> > > > The shame of it all is that even the atheist, thanks to you, recognize the
> > > > wars that goes on between so-called christians, as they openly mock, and
> > > > rightfully so, the lack of harmony, understanding, while they see the
> > > > “christian” warfare like a cancer destroying communication of
> > > > supposedly
> > > > like minded people. Satan is having a field day here, just like he does in
> > > > the churches with its various fractions.
> > > >
> > > > How many see this going on, and feel totally vindicated in living their
> > > > lives without God?
> > > >
> > > > Where is the shame amongst the community of so-called believers?
> > >
> > > Well, I am not of that club, so it does not apply to me. But indeed,
> > > sinner justifying theology and behaviour is the modern "Christian"
> > > landscape.
> >
> > Hmmm. So you stand alone, there is none like thee.
>
> I hope not! I'd have to put a bullet in my head if that was the case.
> Nevertheless, I am not a product of the "so-called believers."

You are a product of your long forgotten mentor. Who erred greatly.

>
>
> > Have you counted all the
> > peeps that have come in here with strange doctrines, who you agree with and
> > fell all over yourself trying to establish a bond?
>
> There is more going on than doctrines, there are complex, diverse, and
> unique people going on and at different stages of understanding. You
> won't understand this, but sometimes I will go along with someone who
> has a false doctrine until I have an opening to impart the truth.

There is a difference between considering what they say, and acknowledging
with confirmation what they say. Since everyone who reads your thoughts in
script will see that you are one in agreement with them. There is no
separation between you and the others, and we are to be separate unto God.
The RCC and other cults like the JW often use such deceptive thinking to be
wise, but it is deceiving, and all one does is add to or compound their
belief systems with confusion. To use an extremely simple example, take the
RCC, a statue of Mary that one is to pray to and pray before with candles,
incense, etc. and that church in Brazil. Wherein “introducing” their form
of religion to the natives of the land who had their own gods and spirits to
worship, They would bring them into the RCC temple, and show them Mary, but
tell them that is XXXX one of their goddesses whom they worship. One result
of that is Santeria.

>
> That is how God works. Y'know, like with the rich young ruler telling
> the Lord he had kept the law since his youth. Yeah, right.

He did, as did the Pharisee that prided themselves on that matter. Yet they
knew not God. Jesus never placated their belief system, he told them flat out
that their spiritual father was Satan, the god of this world. Yet he
recognized their stiff self-righteousness, giving credence to it, while
stating it was all for naught.

>
>
> > But when they were
> > stubborn in their own rights and refused to adapt to your way it all quickly
> > eroded?
>
> If anyone does not respond to the Lord's will, then the "erosion" as you
> put it in on them. It is not His will.

What makes you think that what you say is the Lords will? (That is a
question, not a statement or an offhanded slight)
>
> > The last one who you cottoned to was the clown called nightshade,
>
> NightBulb.
>
> He got offended. Again, that is on him.

Consider his self-righteous name ’Nightbulb’ that should have been a
close. God is the light of the Day, Satan is the light of the dark. There is
no darkness before God, the dark runs as it is exposed. It flees. Light never
resides in Dark. “This then is the message which we have heard of him, and
declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.”
(1Jn 1:5, KJV)

>
> > At the time you both said that you believed there was no hell for any man.,
> > etc. etc.
>
> I didn't say there was no hell. However, I have and still entertain that
> possibility that God will save all. The Lord hasn't spoken to me yet
> about that, but He did raise the thought. Anyway, as your club states,
> all men are sinners, why then choose one and not another?

That is the reason I said “no hell for any man”.

Scripture speaks directly as to why a person goes to heaven and hell. In fact
that is one of the points that the Lord made clear to that “good Baptist
Minister” who was doing the works of SELF.

Michael, I have to pause here, because of that last phrase you spoke in the
paragraph above, To me it shouts out the problem here.
I’ll get back to you on this. I need to seek the Lord further in regards as
to how to respond with understanding.

>
>
> A bit of claimed "sinner" theology doesn't change a thing. A sinner is a
> sinner is a whore is a whore. Of course, WhoreRosie is happy to remain
> one and cuddle his "unbiased" theology. :-).
>
> > You agreed for a time with his doctrines because he had them all down
> > pat with fancy phrases as if he was intelligent. You were sucked into his
> > vacuous thinking for a time.
>
> NightBulb has understanding, but that understanding is askew, that's
> all. You are all like that.
>
> > Why? If your doctrines were so true and unshakeable?
>
> I don't do "doctrine." I have a relationship with the Lord and He is the
> Lord of my life. I am covered in the dust of my Rabbi. Therefore
> everything I do is right. That is something all you "Christians" should
> be walking in if He was truly the Lord of your lives.
>
> I know what you are doing above, but you are wrong. The Lord's ways are
> foreign to the dogma of the claims of the "churches," and don't conform,
> at all to the "moral" imperatives that are in the culture, religious or
> otherwise.
>
> > Just saying, so you can
> > think about it and how quickly you can sell your soul, or should I say, give
> > your soul to the devil.
> >
> > His “crew” all disappeared. LOL
>
> My life belongs to the Lord, despite what anyone "thinks," and so
> whenever anyone condemns me or says anything accusatory it is all water
> off a duck's back. And I have plenty of rather unsanitary water from you
> over the years.
>
> "I don't kneel to something above the level of my knees." The Lord told
> me that not so long ago. I thought to myself, that is strange, because
> surely the Lord is above the level of my knees? Then I saw, no He is
> not, He is seated (like the Rabbis of old) and I do kneel to Him because
> He is below the level of my knees. It is also speaks of kneeling
> (humbling) to those in need, no matter what doctrine they have, but not
> to the proud who demand I kneel before their imperfect doctrines and
> contextual preferences.
>
> Cute, eh? :-).
>
> > > No shame about the poorly treated way their regard is for the Lord. In a
> > > "just say you are sorry" for a "piece of stupid" and "mistake" culture,
> > > claim a doctrine, and you are saved.
> >
> > That is another one of your manufactured ideas. You could not understand so
> > you restructured and fabricated it all into a doctrine that stemmed from
> > your
> > mind, yeah, you used a quip he used occasionally, never grasping what he
> > meant by that from his countryside manners.
>
> I don't know what you are talking about.
>
> The mainstream sinner religionists have no shame about the way they
> poorly treat the Lord. They just forgive themselves and claim a
> doctrine. It is just, 'you violate God's will and you just click on the
> right verse to get yourself out of it'—it is the typical religious way now.
>
> Imagine treating my Lord like that!
>
> No, devastating guilt for what they have done, and no cry to the Lord
> out of a broken heart and contrite spirit. It is just another day of
> continual sin and doctrine claiming.
>
> > > Well, it doesn't work that way. Only those who love the Lord with all
> > > their heart, soul, and mind enter the covenant.
> >
> > You are opposed to “the covenant”.
>
> Only those who love the Lord with all their heart, soul, and mind enter
> the covenant, and it is the Lord of the covenant who decides who is in
> the covenant.
>
> > If what you said were true your entire
> > demeanor would be transformed.
>
> Would I? So, would I be like Duane?
>
> > You would walk in the spirit and understand
> > the things written in scripture in concert with the spirit of God and many
> > born again spirit filled believers.
>
> Like Duane? Or like whom?
>
> > > > No small wonder that the Lord said, “Depart from me ye workers of
> > > > Iniquity. I never knew you."
> > >
> > > The so-called believers with bible in hand are indeed workers of
> > > iniquity. They live as liars and attempt to steal the truth for themselves.
> >
> > There are many of those, of which that Pastor spoke about, which included
> > him
> > up to the point where he died. On his request for the second pleading he had
> > changed, acknowledging the truth as the Lord saw it.
> >
> > Your works are your repetitive mantra about Loving the Lord with all you
> > heart.
>
> A very good mantra, wouldn't you think?
>
> > Etc. Yet it is impossible for you to walk the talk. You just talk the
> > talk, no walk with him. You cannot even explain what it means, and given
> > that
> > the entire Bible is the Word of God, which can never pass away, you cannot
> > explain you lack of respect for it, nor even understand major portions of
> > it.
>
> My Lord is not tardy in giving me understanding directly from Him as I
> need it.
>
> > I really hate to reiterate all these things,
>
> Try to bare up. :-).
>
> > as they and more have been
> > mentioned to you countless times. But Michael, things are about to change
> > quickly. The full out spiritual warfare has begun. God is raising up an army
> > to tear down the evil, and raise a standard against it. While the Army of
> > God
> > will win the spiritual battle, satan is going to do his best to delay and
> > destroy. There will be many things everyone will see and wonder about. There
> > will be many mighty reversals and some suddenly. As this all occurs, where
> > will you stand in all of this? Alone?
>
> But I am never alone?
>
> And, there is nothing happening as far as I can see, only a lot of
> talking and wishful thinking amongst the religious and the world
> incrementally going to rack and ruin.
>
> Besides, whatever the world (Satan) does, the Lord has all power in
> heaven and earth.
>
> > > That should remind you of what the Lord Jesus said (Matthew 21:37-39).
> >
> > Read verse 44.
>
> Meh, My Lord is the Lord.
>
> And what about my point and context about those usurpers who pretend to
> be with the Lord but only lie about what they are and try to steal the
> truth for themselves?
>
> > > Anyway, I hear what you have said but you have not heard what I said.
> >
> > That tune of yours has not publicly changed for as long as we have known of
> > each other.
> > I hear you, but you do not hear the Heavenly Father. Which is why you lack
> > understanding, peace and love.
> > May you open your eyes to the Lord and see, before you pass through the
> > vail.
>
> I went through it already. Only those who cling to their religious
> (including the atheists) ways are without. I not bothered anymore about
> whether you hear me as I know where and what you are now.
>
> By the way, are you with the AI worshipping ChristRosie who is too good
> to post for the atheists? Now, is that a rhetorical question or not? :-).
>
> Michael Christ