"Skeeter" <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in message
news:6679b75c$0$2422116$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com...
> In article <3pbj7jhkg7rmba7ppjh645jgj9hij5s314@4ax.com>,
> governor.swill@gmail.com says...
>>
>> On Sun, 23 Jun 2024 21:24:19 -0600, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >In article <k0kh7jdsr23ghfa20p3l9h51rits61g1u5@4ax.com>,
>> >governor.swill@gmail.com says...
>> >>
>> >> On Sat, 22 Jun 2024 15:20:51 -0600, Skeeter
>> >> <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >In article <ghee7jle6ckq6cjsioqb060dmufcgo9icv@4ax.com>,
>> >> >governor.swill@gmail.com says...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Fri, 21 Jun 2024 12:33:29 -0500, David Hartung <junk@nogood.com>
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >On 6/21/24 11:34, J Carlson wrote:
>> >> >> >> On 6/21/2024 6:12 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>> >> >> >>> On 6/21/24 00:27, J Carlson wrote:
>> >> >> >>>> On 6/20/2024 9:51 PM, David Hartung wrote:
>> >> >> >>>>> On 6/20/24 12:14, J Carlson wrote:
>> >> >> >>>>>> On 6/20/2024 9:20 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>> >> >> >>>>>>> On 6/20/24 11:00, J Carlson wrote:
>> >> >> >>>>>>>> On 6/20/2024 8:08 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>> On 6/19/24 20:51, J Carlson wrote:
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Indeed:
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> In the federal system, a person is not technically a
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> felon
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> or a convict until
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> sentencing. But Trump was convicted in New York, and
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> that
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> state imposes this
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> designation *at the time of the jury verdict*. That
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> already
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> entails
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> privations. The New York City Police Department is
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> seeking
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> to revoke his
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> license to carry a concealed weapon. Thirty-seven
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> countries?including Canada
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> and the United Kingdom?have laws prohibiting felons
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> from
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> entering (though
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> they can, of course, make exceptions).
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2024/06/trump-felony-conviction-probation-interview/678634/
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Trump is a convicted felon. This is settled.
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>> So?
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>> Yes, just so.
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>> Rational people recognize that there are valid reasons to
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>> suspect that the jury reached the wrong verdict.
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>> No, that's a lie. Rational people know the jury reached
>> >> >> >>>>>>>> the only
>> >> >> >>>>>>>> logical and fact-based verdict possible.
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>> Facts:
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>> * the payments were misclassified ? not in dispute
>> >> >> >>>>>>>> * Trump ordered and coordinated the misclassification ?
>> >> >> >>>>>>>> proved
>> >> >> >>>>>>>> by evidence at trial
>> >> >> >>>>>>>> * the misclassification was done to further and to
>> >> >> >>>>>>>> conceal
>> >> >> >>>>>>>> another crime ?
>> >> >> >>>>>>>> proved by evidence at trial (mostly Pecker's
>> >> >> >>>>>>>> testimony)
>> >> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>> So what was the crime?
>> >> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>> Election interference and tax fraud.
>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>> As I understand, that was not determined by the trial.
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>>> It didn't need to be.
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>>> You really have not been following this. It's obvious.
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>> It was a solid verdict, and Justice Merchan conducted an
>> >> >> >>>>>>>> impeccably fair and orderly trial, despite Trump's efforts
>> >> >> >>>>>>>> to
>> >> >> >>>>>>>> turn it into a travesty.
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>>> <crickets>
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>> There is not a single valid reason to think the jury
>> >> >> >>>>>>>> reached an
>> >> >> >>>>>>>> incorrect verdict.
>> >> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>> If you cannot name the crime
>> >> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>> The crimes were named. You *know* that both Alvin Bragg and
>> >> >> >>>>>> Justice
>> >> >> >>>>>> Merchan identified the crimes.
>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>> cite please?
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>>> Fuck off, troll. The underlying crimes have been much
>> >> >> >>>> discussed here
>> >> >> >>>> and in the media. Do your own research, bitch. I'm not doing
>> >> >> >>>> it for
>> >> >> >>>> you unless you pay me.
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> The fact that these crimes have been discussed in a Usenet
>> >> >> >>> group
>> >> >> >>> proves nothing.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> The crimes have been identified in the media and in the trial.
>> >> >> >> Because
>> >> >> >> you're a stupid fuck ? an illiterate, incompetent, incontinent
>> >> >> >> stupid
>> >> >> >> fuck ? I did your homework for you:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Unless a the accusations have been proven in a court of law, they
>> >> >> >are
>> >> >> >meaningless. Show me where was charged with these actions, and
>> >> >> >where he
>> >> >> >received a guilty verdict.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >> That's not how it works. If you don't like how it works, move to
>> >> >> NY state and lobby your
>> >> >> legislators.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Swill
>> >> >> NP: Jim Croce - Time In A Bottle
>> >> >
>> >> >Nothing in NY works. You know damn well the whole thing was a sham.
>> >>
>> >> Biggest city in North America.
>> >>
>> >> Financial capitol of the planet.
>> >>
>> >> Something's working.
>> >>
>> >>High crime, housing is impossible, homeless everywhere...
>>
>> Crime, especially violent crime is at its lowest levels since 1993. But
>> that's a fact and
>> the last thing you need is a fact, am I right?
>
> Back that up.

Actually, it would make sense..
I mean when you stop arresting people for violent crime..
you reduce the number of people prosecuted for a violent crime,..
which reduces the number convicted of a violent crime.

Liberals have finally figured out how to reduce violent crime... ignore it.
Then why wonder why we won't give up our guns.