On Jun 24, 2024, Andrew wrote
(in article <l9jeO.57963$yMc7.15139@fx09.ams4>):

> "Robert" wrote in message
> news:0001HW.2C29D667000619C830B76A38F@news.eternal-september.org...

I snipped out all the parts you would not respond to, in order to shorten and
focus the post.
Even answering what you demanded a response to. So the answers are below.

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> > Andrew wrote
> > > "Robert" wrote:
> > > > Andrew wrote
> > > > > "Robert" in message
> > > > > news:0001HW.2C27941F0004CACC30ADE938F@news.eternal-september.org...
> > > > > > Andrew wrote
> > > > > > > "Robert" wrote:
> > > > > > > > Andrew wrote
> > > > > > > > > "Robert" wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Andrew wrote
> > > > > > > > > > > "Robert" wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > Andrew wrote
> > > > > > > > > > > > > "Robert" wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Andrew wrote
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the threshold of World War III.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --> https://tinyurl.com/ua94hws8
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Rather than through extra-biblical books and prophets which
> > > > > > > Jesus has ~ warned us about.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Are you then saying that the office of the Prophet is dead, and that the
> > > > > > gift of prophet likewise?
> > > > >
> > > > > No, but Jesus repeatedly warned us about "prophets" that
> > > > > had power to deceive. Therefore those who are not firmly
> > > > > grounded in His isspired Word would be in great danger.
> > > >
> > > > Ok, but did he say to walk in fear? No. He said to not live in fear. IOW
> > > > do not let fear control or limit your life in Jesus.
> > >
> > > What does that have to do Jesus warning about prophets?
> >
> > When a person places a level of priority on a warning
> > that supersedes their belief in the working of God,
>
> For a Christian who desires truth, their priority will
> be JESUS and the inspired word of the living God,
> whom you defy by rejecting the words and warnings
> of JESUS.

I never deny the words of Jesus, which I pointed out to you before.
So if you are going to accuse then show what you are accusing of.

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>
> > that is being fearful. Walking in fear of what
> > might be instead of walking in the promises
> > and gifts of God.
>
> The true "gifts of God" will always be in
> harmony with His inspired word.

Of course, why would there be any doubts?
>
>
> > We are not to have a spirit of fear.
>
> If the words of Jesus gives you fear,
> there is someting wrong.

Why the presumption of fear?
>
> >
> > > > > > > > > Matthew 7:15, Matthew 24:11,24, Mark 13:22
> > >
> > > You obviously don't like what He said in the above because
> > > you are a follower of at least one extra-biblical prophet.
> >
> > Again, a false accusation and unfounded.
>
> Not according to your post.

Then post the proof not just accusations.

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>
> > Also you ignored many questions, why?
>
> You do not have the sweet spirit of Jesus in your posts.
> You like to argue and condemn when your deceptions
> are exposed by the light of truth..

What deceptions? More unfounded accusations and without the “sweet spirit
of Jesus”
Your posts are full of these things, and even if it were true, would that
give you a reason not to answer and show your understanding of scripture?

> > >
> > > In the "investigative phase" of the Judgment, they are not
> > > there physically. The Books that have an accurate and
> > > detailed record of their lives are opened.
> > >
> > > "the dead were judged out of those things which were
> > > written in the books, according to their works."
> >
> > This happens at the end of the Millennial rule at the white throne judgment.
> > Have you not studied the entire book?
>
> That is the "executive phase" of the Judgment when the fire comes down
> and devours them.
>
> "and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them." 20:9.

Rev 20:7 (KJV) And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed
out of his prison,

Rev 20:8 (KJV) And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four
quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the
number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

Rev 20:9 (KJV) And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed
the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from
God out of heaven, and devoured them.

Rev 20:10 (KJV) And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of
fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be
tormented day and night for ever and ever.

You can clearly see here that V7 states at the end of the thousand years,
IOW’s the end of the millennial rule of Jesus.
> > >
> > > > I do nor follow shortened urls like that or otherwise. The full line will
> > > > do just fine, so would you post it here so as to follow it please?
> > >
> > > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Jerusalem_(70_CE)
>
> Did you read it?

Yes, but I had to then go to the 70 AD link.
It also depended on the writings of Josephus and others. Yet the picture in
total was already stated by Jesus, and the temple specifically was mentioned
by the disciples to Jesus. Which I also pointed out to you, from scripture.

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> > > > > > “And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came
> > > > > > to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple. And Jesus said unto
> > > > > > them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be
> > > > > > left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.” (Mat
> > > > > > 24:1-2, KJV)
> >
> > See? Here is the scripture focused on.

This was the verse in question. Was it not clear?

> >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > However there is another most glorious city.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Who claimed that city was glorious at that time?
> > >
> > > Psalm 87. But I was referring to the New Jerusalem.
> >
> > Psalm 87 was not “at that time”. And if you were referring to something
> > else, it would help greatly if you spoke clearly, as there would be no
> > confusion of your thoughts.
>
> I specifically stated that I was referring to the New Jerusalem.

No, you did not until your last post. And that city does not dwell on this
earth, ever.
> > >
> > > One needs to always pray for wisdom and enlightenment before Bible study.
> >
> > Yes, that is true, but it has nothing to do with what I asked you, as
> > obviously you are mixing up what God has said.
>
> The point is that when you pray before you open the
> Word, He gives wisdom and understanding, and the
> confusion that you express will dissipate..

I learned that full on when I committed my life to Jesus, and heard from him
as I studirf the word.

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> > > > >
> > > > > Covenants are frequently broken. Was the one you refer to
> > > > > "unconditional"?

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> > > >
> > > > When did God ever break a covenant? Be specific please.
> > >
> > > I never said that. You know I never said that.
> >
> > Really? The look up three lines and read what you wrote.
> > Which is why I asked the question.
>
> But you cannot cite. You are lying!

There, I highlighted the words you said, just above.
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>
> > > > > No.
> > > >
> > > > The answer is yes. When God makes a covenant or promise it is unbreakable
> > >
> > > God is not the one who would breake it.
> >
> > God makes Covenants with himself. Of his own choosing and making. Not
> > dependent on a relationship and the behavior of another party.
>
> You obviously never read the Bible! You read
> extra-biblical material that contradicts the Bible.

Show the proof of that accusation. I may have read the Bible through more
times than you have years of living on this earth.
>
>
> > The other party cannot cause Gods promise or covenant to break. And they cannot break
> > a Covenant the God made to himself. IOW, only God can, but he cannot break his word.
>
> The biblical nation of Israel has divorced herself from God.

First one part, then centuries later the other part of the nation. God never
divorced himself from them.
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>
> Jesus said. "Behold, your house is left unto you desolate."
>
> "Let no man eat fruit from you again forever"
>
> "The kingdom of God shall be taken from you,
> and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits
> thereof."

Translated properly it says. "I tell you, for this reason the kingdom of God
will be taken away from you and given to a people who will produce the fruits
of it.

As I wrote to you about last time.
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>
> > > > otherwise man could not have faith in Him as he would be as wishy washy
> > > > as a woman.
> > >
> > > We have the freedom to break a covenant. God is not the one to do so.
> >
> > Only the one that you make.
>
> Covenants are broken all the time (unfortunataly).

The show the proof where God broke any covenant.

If you were to study the word, you would see that His covenant with Daniel
regarding the promised 70 weeks of years for Israel of which 69 have gone by
and ended with the sacrifice of Jesus, will pick up again upon the
ressurection of the body of Christ, the ekklesia. And the last week #70
fulfilled, and the end of that His covenant with Israel to rule the Nations
with Him at the Helm which will last 1000 Years.

You can read all about it in the scriptures.
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > Matthew 21:33-41 Mark 12:1-9 Luke 20:9-16
> > > > >
> > > > > You won't read the above even though they
> > > > > are all the words of Jesus. But that is your
> > > > > decision. You are free to do whatever you
> > > > > want.
> > > >
> > > > I have read them many times. I also believe all those scriptures in the
> > > > context they were spoken.
>
> Please explain what you think they are saying.
>
> The words of Jesus are clear and unambiguous.

In regards to matt 21 The answer lies in verses 42-44, the focus of which is
V43 which I addressed in my last reply as well as in this one.

The answer to Mark is the same as the one above,
And I will add to that that the kingdom included both Jew and Gentile as well
as the fact, which was pointed out to before that the Gentile is grafted in.

Rom 11:16 (KJV) For if the first fruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if
the root be holy, so are the branches.

Rom 11:17 (KJV) And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a
wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the
root and fatness of the olive tree;

Rom 11:18 (KJV) Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou
bearest not the root, but the root thee.

So are not the Jews the branches. And we be grafted in?

In regards to Luke, the response is the same to all the others.

You have ignored again to answer what faith you are a part of, as well as
what NG is your home base. Why?