On Jun 24, 2024, Andrew wrote
(in article <KgaeO.36964$ikOc.33067@fx10.ams4>):

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> > > > Andrew wrote
> > > > > "Robert" wrote:
> > > > > > Andrew wrote
> > > > > > > "Robert" wrote:
> > > > > > > > Andrew wrote
> > > > > > > > > "Robert" wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Andrew wrote
> > > > > > > > > > > "Robert" wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > Andrew wrote
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On the threshold of World War III.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > --> https://tinyurl.com/ua94hws8
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On the eve of WWIII and the majority
> > > > > > > > > > > > > of folks have no clue what is coming..
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Because they are foolishly engrossed
> > > > > > > > > > > > > with political fighting, sports, scandals
> > > > > > > > > > > > > and foolish entertainment. Cities will
> > > > > > > > > > > > > burn. People will be vaporized. The
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Bible even tells us what will happen.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Their flesh will dissolve while they
> > > > > > > > > > > > > stand on their feet.Their eyes will
> > > > > > > > > > > > > dissolve in their sockets, and their
> > > > > > > > > > > > > tongue will dissolve in their mouth.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Zechariah 14:12
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > --> https://tinyurl.com/ua94hws8
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > There are *consequences* when
> > > > > > > > > > > > > a nation rejects and forsakes the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > living God.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > "The propitious smiles of Heaven,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > can never be expected on a nation
> > > > > > > > > > > > > that disregards the eternal rules of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > order and right, which Heaven
> > > > > > > > > > > > > itself has ordained."
> > > > > > > > > > > > > George Washington
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > George was correct, and the vision God gave him of the end of
> > > > > > > > > > > > America
> > > > > > > > > > > > is also true, however, in the interim this is also true for the
> > > > > > > > > > > > people
> > > > > > > > > > > > of Faith. 2Ch 7:14If my people, which are called by my name, shall
> > > > > > > > > > > > humble
> > > > > > > > > > > > themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked
> > > > > > > > > > > > ways; then
> > > > > > > > > > > > will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal
> > > > > > > > > > > > their land.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Yes, the problem is though that we as a nation are going
> > > > > > > > > > > in~another~direction.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Dan 9:19 O Lord, hear; O Lord, forgive; O Lord, hearken and do;
> > > > > > > > > > > > defer
> > > > > > > > > > > > not, for thine own sake, O my God: for thy city and thy people are
> > > > > > > > > > > > calledby
> > > > > > > > > > > > thy name.
> > > > >
> > > > > Daniel praying for captive Israel in Bablyon.
> > > >
> > > > He was praying for the peace of Jerusalem and for the people called by His
> > > > name.
> > > > Which we also are to do, and those born of God are called by His name
> > > > also.
> > > >
> > > > This is also the precursor for the vision of the 70 week of years.to
> > > > finish
> > > > the transgressions of the Jews. Which is why a believer is to pray in that
> > > > regards.
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > If you care to see some insight into the recent past, current
> > > > > > > > > > > > events,
> > > > > > > > > > > > and what is about to happen, then God has given us prophecies to
> > > > > > > > > > > > see
> > > > > > > > > > > > that his hand is still on America, and that He sits on the throne.
> > > > > > > > > > > > That
> > > > > > > > > > > > scripture is true.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Yes, and as judgments came upon ancient Israel they will also
> > > > > > > > > > > sooner
> > > > > > > > > > > or later come upon our country as our rebellion against Him
> > > > > > > > > > > increases.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Please recall that March 31 this year was Easter Sunday. A time
> > > > > > > > > > > when
> > > > > > > > > > > we celebrate the resurrection of Jesus our Savior who came to save
> > > > > > > > > > > us
> > > > > > > > > > > from the penalty and power of sin, that we maay have eternal life
> > > > > > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > > > > Him forever in glory.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > So what did the president of our country do to give some
> > > > > > > > > > > recognition
> > > > > > > > > > > of what God did for us, since that would be a perfect opportunity
> > > > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > for him to do that, and to speak for our country?.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > What did he do? He completely ignored Jesus Christ and what Jesus
> > > > > > > > > > > did for us. Instead he officiall proclaimed that day to be
> > > > > > > > > > > Transgender
> > > > > > > > > > > Day.
> > > > >
> > > > > From the highest official in our country a rejection of Jesus Christ
> > > > > and an insult to the living God. This has been going on for decades.
> > > > >
> > > > > Therefore to the student of these things, as judgments came upon
> > > > > ancient Israel they will also sooner or later come upon our country
> > > > > as our rebellion against Him increases.
> > > >
> > > > Yet the believers are to be aware of this and act accordingly. The
> > > > Prophecies
> > > > do not stop what will happen but like in Nineveh it can be postponed
> > >
> > > Yes, Nineveh repented.
> >
> > Yes, and God immediately responded appropriately, and they were not Jews. A
> > hundred or two hundred years later the people abandoned God and then the
> > prophecy was fulfilled.
> > >
> > >
> > > > Otherwise why pray expecting, or why pray and or complain about it. Did
> > > > not
> > > > Jesus give the believer all power over the enemy and spiritual wickedness
> > > > in
> > > > high places?
> >
> > Well?
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > But the truth is, our genders came to us from God at the Creation.
> > > > > > > > > > > Therefore to transgender is to rebel against the order that God
> > > > > > > > > > > gave
> > > > > > > > > > > us at Creation, and thus to rebel against our Creator Himself.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Here is a link you may be interested in, it is about 47 minutes
> > > > > > > > > > > > long,
> > > > > > > > > > > > and well defined by the Lord.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxW-jUQCuaA&list=WL&index=1&t=15s
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, but remember our primary focus needs to be with the Bible.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Our primary focus needs to be our personal relationship with God.
> > > > >
> > > > > Which will include the Bible as our standard of faith and practice.
> > > > >
> > > > > Rather than extra-biblical sources.
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > An experiential relationship day by day, to hear his voice,
> > > > > > > > > > direction
> > > > > > > > > > and to do His will one earth. We are to study the word of God and
> > > > > > > > > > show
> > > > > > > > > > ourselves approved by him,
> > > >
> > > > Yes, absolutely!.
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > We are to pray, with power, to believe and walk by faith, with
> > > > > > > > > > power.
> > > > > > > > > > And out nation needs our prayers, with faith. It you watched the
> > > > > > > > > > video
> > > > > > > > > > and listened you would see what the will of God is
> > > > >
> > > > > The "will of God" is revealed to us in the precious Bible that
> > > > > He has given to us through much sacrifice.
> > > > >
> > > > > Rather than through extra-biblical books and prophets which
> > > > > Jesus has ~ warned us about.
> > > >
> > > > Are you then saying that the office of the Prophet is dead, and that the
> > > > gift of prophet likewise?
> > >
> > > No, but Jesus repeatedly warned us about "prophets" that
> > > had power to deceive. Therefore those who are not firmly
> > > grounded in His isspired Word would be in great danger.
> >
> > Ok, but did he say to walk in fear? No. He said to not live in fear. IOW do
> > not let fear control or limit your life in Jesus.
>
> What does that have to do Jesus warning about prophets?

When a person places a level of priority on a warning that supersedes their
belief in the working of God, that is being fearful. Walking in fear of what
might be instead of walking in the promises and gifts of God.

We are not to have a spirit of fear.

2Ti 1:6 (KJV) Wherefore I put thee in remembrance that thou stir up the gift
of God, which is in thee by the putting on of my hands.

2Ti 1:7 (KJV) For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and
of love, and of a sound mind.

>
>
> > > > > > > Matthew 7:15, Matthew 24:11,24, Mark 13:22
>
> You obviously don't like what He said in the above because
> you are a follower of at least one extra-biblical prophet.

Again, a false accusation and unfounded.

Also you ignored many questions, why?
>
>
> > > > Are modern Believers short sheeted, 2nd class citizens and that all the
> > > > people of God before out time were far better off?
> >
> > Well?
> > > >
> > > > > > > > > Matthew 7:15, Matthew 24:11,24, Mark 13:22
> > > > >
> > > > > If we love Jesus we will learn of Him and follow Him.
> > > >
> > > > In a limited fashion as you appear to say?
> > > >
> > > > What part of these scriptures of Jesus are we not to believe?
> >
> > Well?
>
> I give you scriptures of Jesus and you ignore them, because
> you rather cling to your deceptions that are exposed by them.

Name one.
>
>
> > > > “And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel
> > > > to
> > > > every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he
> > > > that believeth not shall be damned. And these signs shall follow them that
> > > > believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new
> > > > tongues; They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing,
> > > > it
> > > > shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall
> > > > recover.” (Mrk 16:15-18, KJV)
> > > >
> > > > “Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works
> > > > that I
> > > > do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I
> > > > go
> > > > unto my Father. And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do,
> > > > that
> > > > the Father may be glorified in the Son.If ye shall ask any thing in my
> > > > name,
> > > > I will do it.” (Jhn 14:12-14, KJV)
> > > >
> > > > Please read also the rest of that chapter.
> > > >
> > > > > > > > > Jesus specifically said, "My kingdom
> > > > > > > > > is --> not of this world:" John 18:36.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Nothing I said there, or what was described in the prophecies had
> > > > > > > > anything
> > > > > > > > to do with Jesus himself ruling any nation at this time.
> > > > >
> > > > > Not at this time, but in the long term future He will be,
> > > > >
> > > > > "KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS"
> > > > > Revelation 19:16
> > > >
> > > > Yet your argument stated something else, related to this time and people
> > > > acting like Jesus would rule America.
> > >
> > > He will rule > in the hearts of those who follow Him in any and all
> > > nations.
> >
> > Yes, but just in their hearts. You brought up Revelation 19 In that book He
> > rules over all nations, whether they believe or not, and with a Rod of Iron.
>
> In the investigative phase of the Judgment, they are not
> there physically. The Books that have an accurate and
> detailed record of their lives are opened.
>
> "the dead were judged out of those things which were
> written in the books, according to their works."

This happens at the end of the Millennial rule at the white throne judgment.
Have you not studied the entire book?

>
> > Revelation 20:10, also Daniel 7:10,
>
> > > > > > > > I say that because he
> > > > > > > > will rule the earth with a rod of Iron for 1K years after the Great
> > > > > > > > Tribulation.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I can see that you did not view the entire video or
> > > > > > > > that you dismissed it due to misperceptions.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > One time the people were determined
> > > > > > > > > to take Jesus by force and make Him
> > > > > > > > > *King* (John chapter six).
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Exactly where in that chapter, I see no evidence of it there.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Verse 14-15.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > V14 spoke of a prophet that was coming, which shows they were expecting
> > > > > > the prophesies to be fulfilled.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > V15 Does speak of what Jesus perceived in His Spirit, that they were
> > > > > > going
> > > > > > to come and take him by ‘force’, to make him a king. So he vacated
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > premises. When I read your comment I was looking for a scripture that
> > > > > > spoke
> > > > > > of the people in the act of doing that, and so I missed this one, and
> > > > > > should
> > > > > > not have even tho I read it three times. Yes, Jesus knew their thoughts
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > selfish intentions to force the hand of God.
> > > > >
> > > > > After He fed the large multitude with five barley loaves, and two small
> > > > > fishes there arose a movement amoung them to make Him King. This
> > > > > was contrary to Gods plan and purpose.
> > > >
> > > > For that day or time there was no such plan as spoken in prophecy.
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > > But Jesus decidedly rejected all such
> > > > > > > > > offers. This is what the Jews of that
> > > > > > > > > day wanted.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > He denied them the opportunity of the attempt to do so. He did not
> > > > > > reject
> > > > > > any offer.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The Believing Jews knew from Daniels prophecy that the Anointed one
> > > > > > > > was
> > > > > > > > coming, their Messiah. But what they did not know was when he was
> > > > > > > > coming
> > > > > > > > to rule from Jerusalem, as also promised.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > He will never rule in old Jerusalem that rejected Him. But
> > > > > > > rather in the New Jerusalem. And not just the City, but the
> > > > > > > whole Universe.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > He, along with the saints will rule from Jerusalem, and there
> > > > > > will be the fourth temple.
> > > > >
> > > > > "And I saw NO TEMPLE therein: for the Lord God
> > > > > the Almighty, and the Lamb, are the temple thereof."
> > > > > Revelation 21:22
> > > >
> > > > You need to read that chapter, in full. It is speaking of the New
> > > > Jerusalem
> > > > that descended from heaven, upon a NEW Earth. This is after the thousand
> > > > year reign and after the White Throne judgement. As I stated below and
> > > > quoted
> > > > from scripture you really need to read Ezekiel.
> >
> > Did you read them or are you just not interested in what God speaks in his
> > word?

Well? Why ignore truth?
> >
> > > >
> > > > > > > "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and
> > > > > > > stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather
> > > > > > > your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks underher
> > > > > > > wings, but you were not willing! See! Your house is left to
> > > > > > > you desolate." ~ Matthew 23:37-38
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Psalms 2 speaks of the rulership of Jesus as he sits on the
> > > > > > throne of David in Jerusalem.
> > > > >
> > > > > Not the old Jerusalem. That city was cursed by God.
> > > > > It was destroyed in God's wrath by the Romans in the
> > > > > year 70 AD, as Jesus told us.
> > > >
> > > > The temple was destroyed,j
> > >
> > > The "city" experienced extreme famine, cannibalism and was
> > > "burned to the ground".. https://tinyurl.com/ke63x7ra
>
> This is a historical fact. Look it up.

Of course it is, yet Jesus when speaking to the disciples regarding the
beauty of the Temple referenced its future destruction, and did so
specifically at that time. He also gave a warning about the city in total and
said when you see these things come to pass, flee, run along the rooftops and
get out of town, and woe to the pregnant ones, etc.

Yet the focus was on the temple when the disciples questioned him.
>
> > I do nor follow shortened urls like that or otherwise. The full line will do
> > just fine, so would you post it here so as to follow it please?
>
> > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Jerusalem_(70_CE)
>
> > > > “And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples
> > > > came
> > > > to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple. And Jesus said unto
> > > > them,
> > > > See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be
> > > > left
> > > > here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.” (Mat
> > > > 24:1-2, KJV)

See? Here is the scripture focused on.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > However there is another most glorious city.
> > > >
> > > > Who claimed that city was glorious at that time?
>
> Psalm 87. But I was referring to the New Jerusalem.

Psalm 87 was not “at that time”. And if you were referring to something
else, it would help greatly if you spoke clearly, as there would be no
confusion of your thoughts.

>
> > > > > The "new Jerusalem"
> > > > >
> > > > > The Bible tells us about it.
> > > >
> > > > Yes, and I and many others will dwell there. It descends from Heaven upon
> > > > a New Earth as mentioned above.
> > > > >
> > > > > > Isaiah 2 starts off speaking of the rulership of Jesus in the last days.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Isa 2:2 (KJV) And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the
> > > > > > mountain
> > > > > > of the LORD'S house shall be established in the top of the mountains,
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.
> > > > >
> > > > > This will be a most glorious time in the new Earth.
> > > > >
> > > > > When it says, "all nations shall flow unto it", that is the redeemed of
> > > > > those
> > > > > nations. Not the rebellious and persecuting elements of those nations.
> > > > > And
> > > > > that will happen in the new Earth.
> > > >
> > > > “And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the
> > > > mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach
> > > > us
> > > > of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth
> > > > the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem. And he shall judge among
> > > > the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their
> > > > swords
> > > > into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift
> > > > up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.” (Isa
> > > > 2:3-4,
> > > > KJV)
>
> That's in the new Earth.

Nope, not at all. Why would resurrected people, those saints of God, have
weapons of warfare? There are only the saints of God there. Are their warring
factions in heaven? Lack of Unity?
>
>
> > > > Where are you getting all this misleading information?
>
> The Bible is not misleading information.
>
> > > > Why are the nations rebuked why do they need to learn of His Ways? Why
> > > > would
> > > > they have had swords and weapons of war in the New Earth. I makes no
> > > > sense.
>
> One needs to always pray for wisdom and enlightenment before Bible study.

Yes, that is true, but it has nothing to do with what I asked you, as
obviously you are mixing up what God has said.
>
>
> > > > > > Ezekiel also references the last days and the rulership of Jesus from
> > > > > > Israel.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ezk 20:40 (KJV)For in mine holy mountain, in the mountain of the height
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > Israel, saith the Lord GOD, there shall all the house of Israel, all of
> > > > > > them
> > > > > > in the land, serve me: there will I accept them, and there will I
> > > > > > require
> > > > > > your offerings, and the first fruits of your oblations, with all your
> > > > > > holy
> > > > > > things.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ezekiel specs speciftcly regarding the New temple of God that will be
> > > > > > built
> > > > > > for the last thousand years of this earth. It also lays out the land of
> > > > > > Israel according to the promises that are to be fulfilled which God gave
> > > > > > to Abraham. How the future nation of Israel will be laid out, It also
> > > > > > shows
> > > > > > the exact measurements and layout of the 4th Temple of God.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It also lays out what happens to the nations of the heathens who do not
> > > > > > come to worship Jesus at the appointed times.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You should find this very interesting for the future rulership of Jesus
> > > > > > upon
> > > > > > the throne of David, the Levites, because of their sins will drop in
> > > > > > rank
> > > > > > and authority and the Zadok's will be the priests of the Lord.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > "Then Jesus went out and departed from the temple, and His disciples
> > > > > > > came up to show Him the buildings of the temple. And Jesus said to
> > > > > > > them, “Do you not see all these things? Assuredly, I say to you, not
> > > > > > > one stone shall be left here upon another, that shall not be thrown
> > > > > > > down.” Matthew 24:1-2
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Which happened 70 years later.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Read Ezekiel you will be greatly surprised.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > God IS going to fulfill all his promises to Israel
> > > > >
> > > > > Israel has rejected Jesus Christ. The Bible tells us
> > > > > all about that.
> >
> > Yet not forever. the Bible speaks to that as well.
>
> Jesus said of the fig tree [Israel].....
>
> "No man eat fruit from thee henceforward for ever."
> Mark 11:14

That fig tree was not Israel. Why? Is there an Israel today? Will it survive
the Great Tribulation? Will in not be the nation over ALL nations in the
Millennial Rule of Jesus the Christ?

That tree should have had figs on it as it had leaves. He destroyed it
because it was not living as designed by Him.
>
> > > > Which they did repeatedly, as do many so-called Christians for the last
> > > > two thousand years. And many falling away in this time as well.
> > > >
> > > > God honors His word, it was not given as a covenant
> > > > between him and them, He gave it as His Word. His
> > > > Promise.
> > >
> > > Covenants are frequently broken. Was the one you refer to
> > > "unconditional"?
> >
> > When did God ever break a covenant? Be specific please.
>
> I never said that. You know I never said that.

Really? The look up three lines and read what you wrote. Which is why I asked
the question.
>
>
> > > No.
> >
> > The answer is yes. When God makes a covenant or promise it is unbreakable
>
> God is not the one who would breake it.

God makes Covenants with himself. Of his own choosing and making. Not
dependent on a relationship and the behavior of another party. The other
party cannot cause Gods promise or covenant to break. And they cannot break a
Covenant the God made to himself. IOW, only God can, but he cannot break his
word.
>
>
> > otherwise man could not have faith in Him as he would be as wishy washy as a
> > woman.
>
> We have the freedom to break a covenant. God is not the one to do so.

Only the one that you make. One that you are a party to. Like the Law
Covenant between God and the Israelites in the desert. They covenanted with
God and as a nation voted on it.
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>
> > > > > > and establish them over ALL nations of this earth.
> > > > > > When the snatching away of the ekklesia from this earth takes place,
> > > > > > then
> > > > > > the 70th week of the prophecy of Daniel takes place, which includes
> > > > > > therein
> > > > > > the “Day of the Lord” and then the promises of Jesus made to the
> > > > > > Israelites,
> > > > > > not because of their righteousness but solely because God honors HIS
> > > > > > word
> > > > > > to them, as they repented for killing him on the cross at Calvary with
> > > > > > GREAT
> > > > > > SORROW.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > But that was not Gods plan. So the
> > > > > > > > > Jewish nation officially -rejected-
> > > > > > > > > Jesus Christ.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > They rejected Jesus. The high priests of that day because they were
> > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > following God,...Jhn 8:44 (KJV) Ye are of your father the devil, and
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning,
> > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he
> > > > > > > > speaketh a
> > > > > > > > lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
> > > > >
> > > > > If you want to know who the true Israel is, read 1 Peter 2:9.
> > > >
> > > > It doesn’t say that at all. Read it again.
> > >
> > > "God chose you to be his people. You are royal priests.
> > > You are a holy nation. You are God’s special treasure.
> > > You are all these things so that you can give him praise
> > > God brought you out of darkness into his wonderful
> > > light." ~ 1 Peter 2:9.
> >
> > Being a jew or an Israelie was not mentioned there, why?
>
> It identifies the chosen people and the holy nation.

“A holy nation”, not “the”. Look at what followed in 1 Peter 2:10
Scriptural context lends itself to a fuller understanding.

>
>
> > > That is the true __"Israel of God"__ Galatians 6:16.
> >
> > Gal 6:15 (KJV) For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing,
> > nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.
> >
> > Gal 6:16 (KJV) And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them,
> > and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.
> >
> > Gal 6:17 (KJV) From henceforth let no man trouble me: for I bear in my body
> > the marks of the Lord Jesus.
> >
> > The true “Israel of God” was of the son of Abraham. Sons of circumcision
> > and uncircumcision.
>
> That's what they said to Jesus, but Jesus told them their father was the
> Devil.

He said that to the Leaders he was speaking to. Because they were following
the text and not God and teaching others to do the same, such was the
Pharisee of that day.

There were many believing Jews in that day also.
>
>
> > > Jesus said concerning the nation Israel...................
> > >
> > > "Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be
> > > taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth
> > > the fruits thereof." Mt 21:43
> > >
> > > The nation bringing forth the fruits thereof
> > > is the "holy nation" spoken of in 1Peter 2:9.
> >
> > Care to specify the “nation”? Are you living there? If not why not.
> >
> > Substitute the word People or Peoples and you would far better understand
> > those scriptures.
> > For in those cases that is what the word means.
> >
> > 1Pe 2:10 (KJV) Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people
> > of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.
> >
> > > > And what you say contradicts the scripture below.
> > > >
> > > > “I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but
> > > > rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to
> > > > provoke them to jealousy.” (Rom 11:11, KJV)
> > > >
> > > > > > > > > Much of the Christian church of
> > > > > > > > > today is mistakenly following the
> > > > > > > > > same deception.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I don’t know of one. Perhaps you can enlighten me?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > They want "a Jesus" of this world
> > > > > > > > > rather than the real Jesus of all
> > > > > > > > > eternity.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > To a point I would agree with that statement, as they do not want to
> > > > > > > > yield their lives to Jesus and would rather follow traditions of men.
> > >
> > > Unfortunately that is true.
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > and what he prophesied, but it is also
> > > > > > > > > > dependent on the believers, their faith, power and standing up for
> > > > > > > > > > Jesus, if
> > > > > > > > > > we don’t then not all things will come to pass, why? Because no
> > > > > > > > > > one
> > > > > > > > > > cared enough to believe and then to maintain a walk with him.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Jesus IS the way, the truth, and the life, NO MAN can come unto the
> > > > > > > > > > Heavenly Father but by Him.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > The prophecies does not say that this reset is permanent. For there
> > > > > > > > > > is a
> > > > > > > > > > battle going on, a spiritual battle, and when the believers are
> > > > > > > > > > yanked out
> > > > > > > > > > of this earth all hell on earth will erupt, you are only seeing a
> > > > > > > > > > taste now,
> > > > > > > > > > of the future.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > So watch and pray, listen to the Lord with ears to hear.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The Scriptures will keep us safe from deception.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The Holy Spirit doing the will of the Heavenly Father does that for
> > > > > > > > those that have an ear to hear.
> > > > >
> > > > > Not if people reject the plain statements of Scripture
> > > > > that clearly expose the errors of the popular churches.
> > > >
> > > > Read what you just wrote especially in light of those
> > > > that have ears to hear.
> > >
> > > If you have "ears to hear" that which in contrary
> > > to God's inspired Word, then you are deceived.
> >
> > Then you just twisted what God said, why?
> > >
> > > > > > > > Look at all the deceptions in churches, look at many who have fallen
> > > > > > > > away
> > > > > > > > from the Faith. Look st what they read in their churches? Yet they
> > > > > > > > follow
> > > > > > > > deception. Take a good look at the parable of seeds in Mathew.
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes, and also the other parables of Jesus.
> > > > >
> > > > > Such as the parable of the vinedressers.
> > > >
> > > > Do you understand either of those two parables?
> > > > >
> > > > > Which addresses the issue of Israel.
> > > >
> > > > Many of todays Israelites have turned to Jesus
> > > > and are born again believers, even many Jews
> > > > around the world.
> > >
> > > Which is just wonderful!
> > >
> > > > Not the Nation, meaning the Gov’t of Israel.
> > >
> > > Salvation is_only_through Jesus.
> >
> > Of course and always has been, that is what the blood sacrifices of the
> > righteous always signified.
> > >
> > >
> > > If we want to bless Israel, then help them to
> > > see that Jesus is the fulfillment of what their
> > > prophets foretold. Rather than to give them
> > > massive bombs to massacre their neighbors.
> >
> > They need the bombs and artillery, to protect the people,
>
> Jesus says,
>
> "Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are
> of.For the Son of Man is not come to
> destroy men’s lives, but to save them."
> Luke 9:55-56

Yes, at that time. But look at what is destroyed when he returns to earth at
the end of the Great Tribulation.
Who does he destroy, and who does he throw alive into the lake of fire and
brimstone? And all that before his millennial rule with a rod of iron.

We need to keep things in scriptural perspective.
> > If they were totally destroyed and the hatred of Jews was fulfilled all
> > around the world then Satan wins it all. He cause the promises of God to be
> > broken, especially the one that says they will live as long as there is this
> > earth, the sun and moon shining on it. If he won, there would be victory
> > over
> > God and the works that Jesus did.
> >
> > We have many missionaries and pastors over there, the Bible is freely given
> > out, and they are shown from Isaish who Jesus is. God has also worked
> > miracles out, wartime miracles that saved the nation after it was restored
> > to
> > them as promised in Scripture.
> > >
> > >
> > > > > > Matthew 21:33-41 Mark 12:1-9 Luke 20:9-16
> > >
> > > You won't read the above even though they
> > > are all the words of Jesus. But that is your
> > > decision. You are free to do whatever you
> > > want.
> >
> > I have read them many times. I also believe all those scriptures in the
> > context they were spoken.
> > >
> > >
> > > > > These are the words of Jesus that expose a
> > > > > serious error in the popular church of today.
> > > >
> > > > What “popular church”?
> > >
> > > Your question should be rather,
> > >
> > > "What serious error?"
> >
> > You avoided answering, why?
> > >
> > >
> > > > And what exactly are you a part of?
> > >
> > > I answered that before..And since you appear to
> > > esteem extra-biblical sources of greater value
> > > that God's holy Word, then we will obviously
> > > disagree.

Again, you never answered that question before, at least not to me.
Your accusation that I follow something other than the word of God does not
excuse you from honesty.
You have no reason to say that, you have no proof. And there is no cause.

I know not what NG you post from so as to post directly to you. I reside
mainly in acc. This thread is spammed to a lot more places than it should be.

So how about a little honesty on your part?
> >
> > You never answered that in any post to me. And your filthy accusation is
> > unfounded.
> > Unless you are speaking of books not listed in the KJV sans the extra books
> >
> > I noticed that you are not familiar with scripture, especial the books of
> > the
> > minor prophets in the OT, Revelations, etc.
> > I do not say that to demean you, but you fail to address the questions asked
> > of you. As you also failed to answer by last question.
> >
> > I would like an answer to that please, and also a question about if you pray
> > to Mary or any “Saints”.
> >
> > Of course had you answer the first question you would have answered this one
> > as well.