"Robert" in message news:0001HW.2C27941F0004CACC30ADE938F@news.eternal-september.org...
> Andrew wrote
>> "Robert" wrote:
>> > Andrew wrote
>> > > "Robert" wrote:
>> > > > Andrew wrote
>> > > > > "Robert" wrote:
>> > > > > > Andrew wrote
>> > > > > > > "Robert" wrote:
>> > > > > > > > Andrew wrote
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > On the threshold of World War III.
>> > > > > > > > > --> https://tinyurl.com/ua94hws8
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > On the eve of WWIII and the majority
>> > > > > > > > > of folks have no clue what is coming..
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > Because they are foolishly engrossed
>> > > > > > > > > with political fighting, sports, scandals
>> > > > > > > > > and foolish entertainment. Cities will
>> > > > > > > > > burn. People will be vaporized. The
>> > > > > > > > > Bible even tells us what will happen.
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > Their flesh will dissolve while they
>> > > > > > > > > stand on their feet.Their eyes will
>> > > > > > > > > dissolve in their sockets, and their
>> > > > > > > > > tongue will dissolve in their mouth.
>> > > > > > > > > > Zechariah 14:12
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > --> https://tinyurl.com/ua94hws8
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > There are *consequences* when
>> > > > > > > > > a nation rejects and forsakes the
>> > > > > > > > > living God.
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > "The propitious smiles of Heaven,
>> > > > > > > > > can never be expected on a nation
>> > > > > > > > > that disregards the eternal rules of
>> > > > > > > > > order and right, which Heaven
>> > > > > > > > > itself has ordained."
>> > > > > > > > > George Washington
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > George was correct, and the vision God gave him of the end of America
>> > > > > > > > is also true, however, in the interim this is also true for the people
>> > > > > > > > of Faith. 2Ch 7:14If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble
>> > > > > > > > themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then
>> > > > > > > > will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > Yes, the problem is though that we as a nation are going in~another~direction.
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > Dan 9:19 O Lord, hear; O Lord, forgive; O Lord, hearken and do; defer
>> > > > > > > > not, for thine own sake, O my God: for thy city and thy people are
>> > > > > > > > calledby
>> > > > > > > > thy name.
>>
>> Daniel praying for captive Israel in Bablyon.
>
> He was praying for the peace of Jerusalem and for the people called by His
> name.
> Which we also are to do, and those born of God are called by His name also.
>
> This is also the precursor for the vision of the 70 week of years.to finish
> the transgressions of the Jews. Which is why a believer is to pray in that
> regards.
>>
>> > > > > > > > If you care to see some insight into the recent past, current events,
>> > > > > > > > and what is about to happen, then God has given us prophecies to see
>> > > > > > > > that his hand is still on America, and that He sits on the throne. That
>> > > > > > > > scripture is true.
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > Yes, and as judgments came upon ancient Israel they will also sooner
>> > > > > > > or later come upon our country as our rebellion against Him increases.
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > Please recall that March 31 this year was Easter Sunday. A time when
>> > > > > > > we celebrate the resurrection of Jesus our Savior who came to save us
>> > > > > > > from the penalty and power of sin, that we maay have eternal life with
>> > > > > > > Him forever in glory.
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > So what did the president of our country do to give some recognition
>> > > > > > > of what God did for us, since that would be a perfect opportunity for
>> > > > > > > for him to do that, and to speak for our country?.
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > What did he do? He completely ignored Jesus Christ and what Jesus
>> > > > > > > did for us. Instead he officiall proclaimed that day to be Transgender
>> > > > > > > Day.
>>
>> From the highest official in our country a rejection of Jesus Christ
>> and an insult to the living God. This has been going on for decades.
>>
>> Therefore to the student of these things, as judgments came upon
>> ancient Israel they will also sooner or later come upon our country
>> as our rebellion against Him increases.
>
> Yet the believers are to be aware of this and act accordingly. The Prophecies
> do not stop what will happen but like in Nineveh it can be postponed

Yes, Nineveh repented.

> Otherwise why pray expecting, or why pray and or complain about it. Did not
> Jesus give the believer all power over the enemy and spiritual wickedness in
> high places?
>>
>> > > > > > > But the truth is, our genders came to us from God at the Creation.
>> > > > > > > Therefore to transgender is to rebel against the order that God gave
>> > > > > > > us at Creation, and thus to rebel against our Creator Himself.
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > Here is a link you may be interested in, it is about 47 minutes long,
>> > > > > > > > and well defined by the Lord.
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxW-jUQCuaA&list=WL&index=1&t=15s
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > Thanks, but remember our primary focus needs to be with the Bible.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Our primary focus needs to be our personal relationship with God.
>>
>> Which will include the Bible as our standard of faith and practice.
>>
>> Rather than extra-biblical sources.
>>
>> > > > > > An experiential relationship day by day, to hear his voice, direction
>> > > > > > and to do His will one earth. We are to study the word of God and show
>> > > > > > ourselves approved by him,
>
> Yes, absolutely!.
>>
>> > > > > > We are to pray, with power, to believe and walk by faith, with power.
>> > > > > > And out nation needs our prayers, with faith. It you watched the video
>> > > > > > and listened you would see what the will of God is
>>
>> The "will of God" is revealed to us in the precious Bible that
>> He has given to us through much sacrifice.
>>
>> Rather than through extra-biblical books and prophets which
>> Jesus has ~ warned us about.
>
> Are you then saying that the office of the Prophet is dead, and that the gift
> of prophet likewise?

No, but Jesus repeatedly warned us about "prophets" that
had power to deceive. Therefore those who are not firmly
grounded in His isspired Word would be in great danger.

~~~> Matthew 7:15, Matthew 24:11,24, Mark 13:22

> Are modern Believers short sheeted, 2nd class citizens and that all the
> people of God before out time were far better off?
>>
>> > > > > Matthew 7:15, Matthew 24:11,24, Mark 13:22
>>
>> If we love Jesus we will learn of Him and follow Him.
>
> In a limited fashion as you appear to say?
>
> What part of these scriptures of Jesus are we not to believe?
>
> “And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to
> every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that
> believeth not shall be damned. And these signs shall follow them that
> believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new
> tongues; They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it
> shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall
> recover.” (Mrk 16:15-18, KJV)
>
> “Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I
> do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go
> unto my Father. And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that
> the Father may be glorified in the Son.If ye shall ask any thing in my name,
> I will do it.” (Jhn 14:12-14, KJV)
>
> Please read also the rest of that chapter.
>
>> > > > > Jesus specifically said, "My kingdom
>> > > > > is --> not of this world:" John 18:36.
>> > > >
>> > > > Nothing I said there, or what was described in the prophecies had anything
>> > > > to do with Jesus himself ruling any nation at this time.
>>
>> Not at this time, but in the long term future He will be,
>>
>> "KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS"
>> Revelation 19:16
>
> Yet your argument stated something else, related to this time and people
> acting like Jesus would rule America.

He will rule > in the hearts of those who follow Him in any and all nations.

>> > > > I say that because he
>> > > > will rule the earth with a rod of Iron for 1K years after the Great
>> > > > Tribulation.
>> > > >
>> > > > I can see that you did not view the entire video or
>> > > > that you dismissed it due to misperceptions.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > One time the people were determined
>> > > > > to take Jesus by force and make Him
>> > > > > *King* (John chapter six).
>> > > >
>> > > > Exactly where in that chapter, I see no evidence of it there.
>> > >
>> > > Verse 14-15.
>> >
>> > V14 spoke of a prophet that was coming, which shows they were expecting the
>> > prophesies to be fulfilled.
>> >
>> > V15 Does speak of what Jesus perceived in His Spirit, that they were going
>> > to come and take him by ‘force’, to make him a king. So he vacated the
>> > premises. When I read your comment I was looking for a scripture that spoke
>> > of the people in the act of doing that, and so I missed this one, and should
>> > not have even tho I read it three times. Yes, Jesus knew their thoughts and
>> > selfish intentions to force the hand of God.
>>
>> After He fed the large multitude with five barley loaves, and two small fishes
>> there arose a movement amoung them to make Him King. This was contrary
>> to Gods plan and purpose.
>
> For that day or time there was no such plan as spoken in prophecy.
>>
>> > > > > But Jesus decidedly rejected all such
>> > > > > offers. This is what the Jews of that
>> > > > > day wanted.
>> >
>> > He denied them the opportunity of the attempt to do so. He did not reject
>> > any offer.
>> > > >
>> > > > The Believing Jews knew from Daniels prophecy that the Anointed one was
>> > > > coming, their Messiah. But what they did not know was when he was coming
>> > > > to rule from Jerusalem, as also promised.
>> > >
>> > > He will never rule in old Jerusalem that rejected Him. But
>> > > rather in the New Jerusalem. And not just the City, but the
>> > > whole Universe.
>> >
>> > He, along with the saints will rule from Jerusalem, and there
>> > will be the fourth temple.
>>
>> "And I saw NO TEMPLE therein: for the Lord God
>> the Almighty, and the Lamb, are the temple thereof."
>> Revelation 21:22
>
> You need to read that chapter, in full. It is speaking of the New Jerusalem
> that descended from heaven, upon a NEW Earth. This is after the thousand year
> reign and after the White Throne judgement. As I stated below and quoted from
> scripture you really need to read Ezekiel.
>>
>> > > "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and
>> > > stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather
>> > > your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks underher
>> > > wings, but you were not willing! See! Your house is left to
>> > > you desolate." ~ Matthew 23:37-38
>> >
>> > Psalms 2 speaks of the rulership of Jesus as he sits on the
>> > throne of David in Jerusalem.
>>
>> Not the old Jerusalem. That city was cursed by God.
>> It was destroyed in God's wrath by the Romans in the
>> year 70 AD, as Jesus told us.
>
> The temple was destroyed,j

The "city" experienced extreme famine, cannibalism and was
"burned to the ground".. https://tinyurl.com/ke63x7ra

> “And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came
> to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple. And Jesus said unto them,
> See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left
> here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.” (Mat 24:1-2, KJV)
>
>> However there is another most glorious city.
>
> Who claimed that city was glorious at that time?
>>
>> The "new Jerusalem"
>>
>> The Bible tells us about it.
>
> Yes, and I and many others will dwell there. It descends from Heaven upon a
> New Earth as mentioned above.
>>
>> > Isaiah 2 starts off speaking of the rulership of Jesus in the last days.
>> >
>> > Isa 2:2 (KJV) And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain
>> > of the LORD'S house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and
>> > shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.
>>
>> This will be a most glorious time in the new Earth.
>>
>> When it says, "all nations shall flow unto it", that is the redeemed of those
>> nations. Not the rebellious and persecuting elements of those nations. And
>> that will happen in the new Earth.
>
> “And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the
> mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us
> of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth
> the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem. And he shall judge among
> the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords
> into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up
> sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.” (Isa 2:3-4,
> KJV)
>
> Where are you getting all this misleading information?
>
> Why are the nations rebuked why do they need to learn of His Ways? Why would
> they have had swords and weapons of war in the New Earth. I makes no sense.
>>
>> > Ezekiel also references the last days and the rulership of Jesus from
>> > Israel.
>> >
>> > Ezk 20:40 (KJV)For in mine holy mountain, in the mountain of the height of
>> > Israel, saith the Lord GOD, there shall all the house of Israel, all of them
>> > in the land, serve me: there will I accept them, and there will I require
>> > your offerings, and the first fruits of your oblations, with all your holy
>> > things.
>> >
>> > Ezekiel specs speciftcly regarding the New temple of God that will be built
>> > for the last thousand years of this earth. It also lays out the land of
>> > Israel according to the promises that are to be fulfilled which God gave to
>> > Abraham. How the future nation of Israel will be laid out, It also shows the
>> > exact measurements and layout of the 4th Temple of God.
>> >
>> > It also lays out what happens to the nations of the heathens who do not come
>> > to worship Jesus at the appointed times.
>> >
>> > You should find this very interesting for the future rulership of Jesus upon
>> > the throne of David, the Levites, because of their sins will drop in rank
>> > and authority and the Zadok's will be the priests of the Lord.
>> >
>> > > "Then Jesus went out and departed from the temple, and His disciples
>> > > came up to show Him the buildings of the temple. And Jesus said to
>> > > them, “Do you not see all these things? Assuredly, I say to you, not
>> > > one stone shall be left here upon another, that shall not be thrown
>> > > down.” Matthew 24:1-2
>> >
>> > Which happened 70 years later.
>> >
>> > Read Ezekiel you will be greatly surprised.
>> >
>> > God IS going to fulfill all his promises to Israel
>>
>> Israel has rejected Jesus Christ. The Bible tells us
>> all about that.
>
> Which they did repeatedly, as do many so-called Christians for the last two
> thousand years. And many falling away in this time as well.
>
> God honors His word, it was not given as a covenant
> between him and them, He gave it as His Word. His
> Promise.

Covenants are frequently broken. Was the one you refer to
"unconditional"?

No.

>> > and establish them over
>> > ALL nations of this earth.
>> > When the snatching away of the ekklesia from this earth takes place, then
>> > the
>> > 70th week of the prophecy of Daniel takes place, which includes therein the
>> > “Day of the Lord” and then the promises of Jesus made to the Israelites,
>> > not because of their righteousness but solely because God honors HIS word to
>> > them, as they repented for killing him on the cross at Calvary with GREAT
>> > SORROW.
>> >
>> > > > > But that was not Gods plan. So the
>> > > > > Jewish nation officially -rejected-
>> > > > > Jesus Christ.
>> > > >
>> > > > They rejected Jesus. The high priests of that day because they were not
>> > > > following God,...Jhn 8:44 (KJV) Ye are of your father the devil, and the
>> > > > lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and
>> > > > abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he
>> > > > speaketh a
>> > > > lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
>>
>> If you want to know who the true Israel is, read 1 Peter 2:9.
>
> It doesn’t say that at all. Read it again.

"God chose you to be his people. You are royal priests.
You are a holy nation. You are God’s special treasure.
You are all these things so that you can give him praise
God brought you out of darkness into his wonderful
light." ~ 1 Peter 2:9.

That is the true __"Israel of God"__ Galatians 6:16.

Jesus said concerning the nation Israel...................

"Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be
taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth
the fruits thereof." Mt 21:43

The nation bringing forth the fruits thereof
is the "holy nation" spoken of in 1Peter 2:9.

> And what you say contradicts the scripture below.
>
> “I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but
> rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke
> them to jealousy.” (Rom 11:11, KJV)
>
>> > > > > Much of the Christian church of
>> > > > > today is mistakenly following the
>> > > > > same deception.
>> > > >
>> > > > I don’t know of one. Perhaps you can enlighten me?
>> > > >
>> > > > > They want "a Jesus" of this world
>> > > > > rather than the real Jesus of all
>> > > > > eternity.
>> > > >
>> > > > To a point I would agree with that statement, as they do not want to yield
>> > > > their lives to Jesus and would rather follow traditions of men.

Unfortunately that is true.

>> > > > > > and what he prophesied, but it is also
>> > > > > > dependent on the believers, their faith, power and standing up for
>> > > > > > Jesus, if
>> > > > > > we don’t then not all things will come to pass, why? Because no one
>> > > > > > cared enough to believe and then to maintain a walk with him.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Jesus IS the way, the truth, and the life, NO MAN can come unto the
>> > > > > > Heavenly Father but by Him.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > The prophecies does not say that this reset is permanent. For there is a
>> > > > > > battle going on, a spiritual battle, and when the believers are yanked
>> > > > > > out
>> > > > > > of this earth all hell on earth will erupt, you are only seeing a taste
>> > > > > > now,
>> > > > > > of the future.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > So watch and pray, listen to the Lord with ears to hear.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > The Scriptures will keep us safe from deception.
>> > > >
>> > > > The Holy Spirit doing the will of the Heavenly Father does that for those
>> > > > that have an ear to hear.
>>
>> Not if people reject the plain statements of Scripture
>> that clearly expose the errors of the popular churches.
>
> Read what you just wrote especially in light of those
> that have ears to hear.

If you have "ears to hear" that which in contrary
to God's inspired Word, then you are deceived.

>> > > > Look at all the deceptions in churches, look at many who have fallen away
>> > > > from the Faith. Look st what they read in their churches? Yet they follow
>> > > > deception. Take a good look at the parable of seeds in Mathew.
>>
>> Yes, and also the other parables of Jesus.
>>
>> Such as the parable of the vinedressers.
>
> Do you understand either of those two parables?
>>
>> Which addresses the issue of Israel.
>
> Many of todays Israelites have turned to Jesus
> and are born again believers, even many Jews
> around the world.

Which is just wonderful!

> Not the Nation, meaning the Gov’t of Israel.

Salvation is_only_through Jesus.

If we want to bless Israel, then help them to
see that Jesus is the fulfillment of what their
prophets foretold. Rather than to give them
massive bombs to massacre their neighbors.

> > > Matthew 21:33-41 Mark 12:1-9 Luke 20:9-16

You won't read the above even though they
are all the words of Jesus. But that is your
decision. You are free to do whatever you
want.

>> These are the words of Jesus that expose a
>> serious error in the popular church of today.
>
> What “popular church”?

Your question should be rather,

"What serious error?"

> And what exactly are you a part of?

I answered that before..And since you appear to
esteem extra-biblical sources of greater value
that God's holy Word, then we will obviously
disagree.