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Subject: Re: -- DIFFICULT EPISTEMOLOGICAL QUESTION ...
From: dolf
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From: dolfboek@hotmail.com (dolf)
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Subject: Re: -- DIFFICULT EPISTEMOLOGICAL QUESTION ...
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2024 09:56:22 +1000
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ONE <BEING@APOLKA.SIGN> @ 0520 HOURS ON 19 JUNE 2024: "Needs are curious
critters.

Cognitions remind one of gears and w'hat knots.

Without cogs, knitting ions may be possible given a stretch of yarn and
a blarney *STONE*.

Tis a *FUNNY* Ting [tīng (聽): #20, #21, #62], imo, *CARVING* *UNCARVED*
oxen in a bamboo grove [yuán pǔ (園圃): GARDEN PLOT].

Ting can be said to have practiced wei-wu-wei. How he knew how to carve
evolved naturally.

Other knack-masters used various techniques in the Chuang-tzu from time
to time as wells."

#61 - DEME CHECKSUM TOTAL: #61 as [#6, #2, #1, #2, #50] /
    #83 - NOUMENON RESONANCE FOR 19 JUNE 2024 as [#20, #1, #2, #50,
#10] / [#30, #1, #2, #50] /
    #133 - NOUMENON RESONANCE FOR 19 JUNE 2024 as [#30, #1, #2, #50,
#10, #40] /
#103 as [#1, #2, #50, #10, #40] /
#103 - FEME CHECKSUM TOTAL: #103 as [#40, #1, #2, #50, #10]
#709 - MALE CHECKSUM TOTAL: #83 / DEME CHECKSUM TOTAL: #61 as [#6, #1,
#2, #700] = ʼeben (H68): {UMBRA: #53 % #41 = #12} 1) stone (large or
small); 1a) *COMMON* *STONE* (*IN* *NATURAL* *STATE*); 1b) stone, as
material; 1b1) of tablets; 1b2) marble, hewn stones; 1c) precious
stones, stones of fire; 1d) stones containing metal (ore), tool for work
or weapon; 1e) weight; 1f) plummet (stones of destruction) also made of
metal; 1g) stonelike objects, eg hailstones, stony heart, ice; 1h)
sacred object, as memorial Samuel set up to mark where God helped Israel
to defeat the Philistines; 1i) (simile); 1i1) sinking in water,
motionlessness; 1i2) strength, firmness, solidity; 1i3) commonness; 1j)
(metaph); 1j1) petrified with terror; 1j2) *PERVERSE*, *HARD* *HEART*;

DOLF @ 0952 HOURS ON 19 JUNE 2024: "The uncarved block is a concept in
Chinese DAOIST thought. It refers to a state of pure potential, the
primordial condition of the mind before the arising of experience. The
uncarved block represents perception without prejudice, beyond dualistic
distinctions such as right / wrong, good / bad, black / white,
*BEAUTIFUL* / ugly.

#438 - MALE CHECKSUM TOTAL: #83 as [#30, #300, #8, #100] /
#498 - DEME CHECKSUM TOTAL: #134 as [#40, #300, #8, #100, #10, #40] =
sâchaq (H7832): {UMBRA: #408 % #41 = #39} 1) to laugh, play, mock; 1a)
(Qal); 1a1) to laugh (usually in contempt or derision); 1a2) to sport,
play; 1b) (Piel); 1b1) to make sport; 1b2) to jest; 1b3) to play
(including instrumental music, singing, dancing); 1c) (Hiphil) *TO*
*LAUGH* *MOCKINGLY*;

líng qì (靈氣): spiritual influence (of mountains etc); cleverness;
ingeniousness

#66 - 𝍇去 = #517
COGITO: [#57, #17, #17, #69, #62] as #66 - DEPARTURE (CH'U)
RANGE: noon 10 to 14 OCTOBER

<http://www.grapple369.com/Savvy/?run:Mystery&tetra:66>

{@5: Sup: 60 - ACCUMULATION: CHI (#280); Ego: 62 - DOUBT: YI (#222 -
MALE DEME IS UNNAMED {%12})}

TELOS TOTAL: #222
ONTIC CHECKSUM TOTAL: #220
DEME CHECKSUM TOTAL: #674

APPRAISAL #1: He leaves this Numen Pool (去此靈淵)
To dwell in that withered garden. (舍彼枯園)
FATHOMING #1: Quitting this Numen Pool (去此靈淵)
MEANS: He does not proceed with modesty. (不以謙將也)

<http://www.grapple369.com/Savvy/?run:Mystery&glyph:靈>

[#1, #6, #12, #16, #28, #42, #59, #66, #73, #75, #77, #81]

líng (靈): 1. agile; nimble, 2. *SPIRIT*; *SOUL*; *LIFE* *PRINCIPLE*, 3.
spiritual; sacred, 4. a witch, 5. spirits and devils; demons; gods; a
deity, 6. emotional spirit, 7. a very capable person, 8. a coffin
containing a corpse, 9. Ling, 10. to be reasonable, 11. to bless and
protect, 12. wonderful; auspicious, 13. as predicted, 14. *BEAUTIFUL*;
good, 15. quick witted; clever; alert; intelligent, 16. having divine
awareness, 17. *SUPERNATURAL*; unearthly

yuān (淵): 1. a gulf; an abyss, 2. a whirlpool, 3. deep water, 4. source;
origin, 5. a gathering place, 6. Yuan, 7. profound; deep

shě (舍): 1. to give, 2. to give up; to abandon, 3. *A* *HOUSE*; *A*
*HOME*; *AN* *ABODE*, 4. my, 5. a unit of length equal to 30 li, 6.
equanimity, 7. my house, 8. to to shoot; to fire; to launch, 9. to
leave, 10. She, 11. disciple, 12. a barn; a pen, 13. to reside, 14. to
stop; to halt; to cease, 15. to find a place for; to arrange

bǐ (彼): 1. that; those, 2. another; the other

kū (枯): 1. withered; dried up, 2. dead, 3. *WITHERED*; *HAGGARD*, 4.
residue from pressing plants for oil

yuán (園): 1. *GARDEN*; orchard, 2. a park; an enclosure, 3. a villa, 4.
a burial ground

<http://www.grapple369.com/Savvy/?run:Mystery&glyph:圃>

#830 - MALE CHECKSUM TOTAL: #83 as [#300, #30, #500] = shâlak (H7993):
{UMBRA: #350 % #41 = #22} 1) to throw, cast, hurl, fling; 1a) (Hiphil);
1a1) *TO* *THROW*, *CAST*, *THROW* *AWAY*, *CAST* *OFF*, *SHED*, *CAST*
*DOWN*; 1a2) to cast (lots) (fig); 1b) (Hophal); 1b1) to be thrown, be
cast; 1b2) to be cast forth or out; 1b3) to be cast down; 1b4) to be
cast (metaph);

NOMEN NESCIO <SEWER TROLL@DIZUM.COM> @ 1256 HOURS ON 14 JUNE 2024: "DOLF
IS CONCEPTUALIZED DUMPING OF *SOUR* *MILK* INTO PONDS:

#878 - ONTIC CHECKSUM TOTAL: #220 as [#2, #70, #6, #800] = ʻôwph
(H5775): {UMBRA: #156 % #41 = #33} 1) flying creatures, fowl, insects,
birds; 1a) fowl, birds; 1b) *WINGED* *INSECTS*;

And the resulting liquid stools sprays all over the internet, attracting
*BLOWFLIES*."

<http://www.grapple369.com/Savvy/?run:Mystery&tetra:47>

#47 - 𝌴文 = #498
COGITO: [#10, #59, #7, #78, #57] as #47 - PATTERN (WEN)
RANGE: 17 to noon 21 JULY

APPRAISAL #3: The greater the pattern, the simpler it seems. (大文彌樸)
The great seems truly inadequate. (孚似不足)
FATHOMING #3: In patterns, plainer is greater. (大文彌朴)
MEANS: It has more than enough substance. (質有餘也)

dà (大): 1. big; huge; large, 2. Kangxi radical 37, 3. great; major;
important, 4. size, 5. old, 6. greatly; very, 7. oldest; earliest, 8.
adult, 9. greatest; grand, 10. an important person, 11. senior, 12.
approximately, 13. greatest; grand

#54: #1858 as [#8 - OPPOSITION (KAN): #459, #40 - LAW / MODEL (FA):
#491, #1 - CENTRE (CHUNG): #452, #5 - KEEPING SMALL (SHAO): #456] /
#60 as [#6, #8, #40, #1, #5] /
#449 as [#8, #40, #1, #400] = chemʼâh (H2529): {UMBRA: #54 % #41 = #13}
1) curd, *BUTTER*;

#1858 as [#80, #100, #70, #200, #20, #400, #50, #8, #200, #70, #400,
#200, #10, #50] = proskynéō (G4352): {UMBRA: #1725 % #41 = #3} 1) to
kiss the hand to (towards) one, in token of reverence; 2) among the
Orientals, esp. the Persians, to fall upon the knees and touch the
ground with the forehead as an *EXPRESSION* *OF* *PROFOUND* *REVERENCE*;
3) in the NT by kneeling or prostration to do homage (to one) or make
obeisance, whether in order to express respect or to make supplication;
3a) *USED* *OF* *HOMAGE* *SHOWN* *TO* *MEN* *AND* *BEINGS* *OF*
*SUPERIOR* *RANK*; 3a1) to the Jewish high priests; 3a2) to God; 3a3) to
Christ; 3a4) to heavenly beings; 3a5) to demons;

wén (文): 1. writing; text, 2. Kangxi radical 67, 3. Wen, 4. lines or
grain on an object, 5. culture, 6. refined writings, 7. civil;
non-military, 8. to conceal a fault; gloss over, 9. wen, 10.
ornamentation; adornment, 11. to ornament; to adorn, 12. *BEAUTIFUL*,
13. a text; a manuscript, 14. a group responsible for ritual and music,
15. the text of an imperial order, 16. liberal arts, 17. a rite; a
ritual, 18. a tattoo, 19. a classifier for copper coins

mí (彌): 1. extensive; full, 2. to fill; to permeate; to pervade, 3. to
join, 4. to spread, 5. more, 6. Mi, 7. over a long time, 8. to restrain,
9. to complete; to be full

<http://www.grapple369.com/Savvy/?run:Mystery&glyph:樸>

pǔ (樸): 1. sincere; honest; simple, 2. Pu, 3. plain and simple, 4. an
uncrafted block of wood, 5. a basic truth, 6. the cost of an item

<http://www.grapple369.com/Savvy/?run:Mystery&glyph:朴>

pǔ (朴): 1. sincere; honest; simple, 2. Pu, 3. plain and simple, 4. an
uncrafted block of wood, 5. a basic truth, 6. the cost of an item

#165 - MALE CHECKSUM TOTAL: #83 as [#5, #70, #90] = ʻêts (H6086):
{UMBRA: #160 % #41 = #37} 1) tree, *WOOD*, timber, stock, plank, stalk,
stick, gallows; 1a) tree, trees; 1b) wood, pieces of wood, gallows,
firewood, cedar-wood, woody flax;

The anomalous dual value="15802" concept pǔ (樸) / pǔ (朴) which is
conveyed here is a Chinese word meaning "unworked wood; inherent
quality; simple" that was an early Daoist metaphor for the natural state
of humanity, and relates with the Daoist keyword ziran (literally "self
so") "natural; spontaneous" [James 3:6]. Two odes within the Shijing
"Classic of Poetry" use pǔ (樸) compounds to mean "an oak".
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pu_(Taoism)>

#62 - 𝍃疑 = #513
COGITO: [#35, #48, #25, #33, #33] as #62 - DOUBT (YI)
RANGE: noon 22 to 26 SEPTEMBER

APPRAISAL #6: Honest oaths are fit to be heard. (誓貞可聽)
In cases of doubt, they preserve the truth. (疑則有誠)
FATHOMING #6: Proper oaths worth hearing (誓貞可聽)
MEANS: They are decrees of enlightened kings. (明王命也)

shì (誓): 1. to vow; to pledge; to swear, 2. an oath; a vow

zhēn (貞): 1. virtuous; chaste; pure, 2. loyal, 3. divination, 4.
chastity, 5. to divine, 6. auspicious, 7. upright, 8. lower part of the
trigrams in the Yijing, 9. four

kě (可): 1. can; may; permissible, 2. but, 3. such; so, 4. able to;
*POSSIBLY*, 5. to approve; to permit, 6. to be worth, 7. to suit; to
fit, 8. khan, 9. to recover, 10. to act as, 11. to be worth; to deserve,
12. *APPROXIMATELY*; *PROBABLY*, 13. expresses doubt, 14. really;
truely, 15. used to add emphasis, 16. *BEAUTIFUL*, 17. Ke, 18. used to
ask a question

<http://www.grapple369.com/Savvy/?run:Mystery&glyph:聽>

[#20, #21, #62]

tīng (聽): 1. to listen, 2. to obey, 3. to understand, 4. to hear a
lawsuit; to adjudicate, 5. *TO* *ALLOW*; *TO* *LET* *SOMETHING* *TAKE*
*ITS* *COURSE*, 6. to await, 7. to acknowledge, 8. a tin can, 9.
information, 10. a hall, 11. Ting, 12. *TO* *ADMINISTER*; *TO* *PROCESS*

[#20, {@1: Sup: 20 - ADVANCE: CHIN (#20); Ego: 20 - ADVANCE: CHIN (#20)}
#21, {@2: Sup: 41 - RESPONSE: YING (#61 - MALE DEME IS UNNAMED {%22});
Ego: 21 - RELEASE: SHIH (#41)}
#62] {@3: Sup: 22 - RESISTANCE: KE (#83); Ego: 62 - DOUBT: YI (#103)}

TELOS TOTAL: #103 as [#70, #3, #30] /
#123 - MALE CHECKSUM TOTAL: #83 as [#20, #70, #3, #30] /
    #133 - NOUMENON RESONANCE FOR 19 JUNE 2024 as [#20, #70, #3, #30,
#10] = ʻêgel (H5695): {UMBRA: #103 % #41 = #21} 1) *CALF*, bull-calf;

#103 as [#30, #70, #3] = lâʻag (H3932): {UMBRA: #103 % #41 = #21} 1)
*TO* *MOCK*, *DERIDE*, *RIDICULE*; 1a) (Qal) to mock, deride, have in
derision; 1b) (Niphal) to stammer; 1c) (Hiphil) to mock, deride;

DEME CHECKSUM TOTAL: #61

#210 - DEME CHECKSUM TOTAL: #61 as [#3, #7, #200] = gᵉzar (H1505):
{UMBRA: #210 % #41 = #5} 1) *TO* *CUT*, *DETERMINE*; 1a) (P'al)
determiner (participle); 1b) (Ithp'al) to be cut out;

#350 - MALE CHECKSUM TOTAL: #83 as [#300, #50] = shên (H8127): {UMBRA:
#350 % #41 = #22} 1) tooth, ivory; 1a) tooth; 1a1) of man, lex talionis,
beast; 1b) tooth, *TINE* (*OF* *FORK*); 1c) ivory; 1c1) as material;
1c2) of commerce; 1d) sharp pointed rock;

#38 - JUPITER PRINCIPLE (#590 = #79 (* IMMATERIAL INCLUSION) + #511:
@SUM(TETRAD MENTIONS OF [rì (日): *SUN* / *JAPAN* / *EVERY* *DAY* HABITUAL))

#01 #52 #20 #78
#70 #23 #33 #18
#47 #05 #79 #19
#24 #67 #13 #41 = #511 + #79 - *SOURCE* / *ORIGIN* / *UNCARVED*
*BLOCK* = #590

#589 - FEME CHECKSUM TOTAL: #103 as [#500, #70, #9, #2, #8] /
#590 - DEME CHECKSUM TOTAL: #96 as [#500, #70, #10, #2, #8] = Phoíbē
(G5402): {UMBRA: #590 % #41 = #16} 0) Phoebe = 'radiant'; 1) a deaconess
of the church at Cenchrea, near Corinth; 2) Feminine form of Φοῖβος
(Phoîbos, “Phoebus”)

- (Greek mythology) An epithet and synonym for Helios; Phoebus Helios,
after his maternal aunt, Phoebe.
- (Greek mythology, Roman mythology) An epithet and synonym for Apollo
the son of Zeus (Jupiter); Phoebus Apollo.

COPILOT / DALL E 3 @ 0725 HOURS ON 19 JUNE 2024: "Draw a Chinese style
carving knife paired with a fork where the tine is within a block of butter"

A tine of a fork is a sharp, projecting point or prong1that is used to
collect or pierce food during a meal. The number and shape of the tines
vary depending on the type and function of the fork. For example, a
broadfork has five tines that are used to work the soil, while a
roasting fork has two or three tines that are used to hold food over a
fire.

<http://www.grapple369.com/Savvy/?run:Mystery&glyph:水>

[#1, #8, #19, #28, #40, #49, #61, #69, #79 - *SOURCE* / *ORIGIN* /
*UNCARVED* *BLOCK*]

shuǐ (水): 1. *WATER*, 2. Kangxi radical 85, 3. a river, 4. liquid;
lotion; juice, 5. a flood, 6. to swim, 7. a body of water, 8. Shui, 9.
water element

    /         #340 - NOUMENON RESONANCE FOR 16 / 19 JUNE 2024 as [#7,
#8, #200, #70, #40, #5, #9, #1] /
#75 - FAILURE (SHIH) as [#7 - ASCENT (SHANG), #8 - OPPOSITION (KAN), #10
- DEFECTIVENESS, DISTORTION (HSIEN), #50 - VASTNESS / WASTING (T'ANG)] =
záō (G2198): {UMBRA: #808 % #41 = #29} 1) to live, breathe, be among the
living (not lifeless, not dead); 2) to enjoy real life; 2a) *TO* *HAVE*
*TRUE* *LIFE* *AND* *WORTHY* *OF* *THE* *NAME*; 2b) active, blessed,
endless in the kingdom of God; 3) to live i.e. pass life, in the manner
of the living and acting; 3a) of mortals or character; 4) *LIVING*
*WATER*, *HAVING* *VITAL* *POWER* *IN* *ITSELF* *AND* *EXERTING* *THE*
*SAME* *UPON* *THE* *SOUL*; 5) metaph. to be in full vigour; 5a) to be
fresh, strong, efficient,; 5b) as adj. active, powerful, efficacious;

On 19/6/2024 05:20, one wrote:
> dolf wrote to a point saying:
>
>> Unless you can grasp such a cognition (ie. is YANG HSIUNG the seminal
>> author of the T'AI HSÜAN CHING and did he deploy any COGITO array as
>> scaffolding or perhaps preassembled essential IDEAS which were then
>> dispersed within the appraisals?) as unity of apperception there isn't
>> any need to discuss this further.
>
> Needs are curious critters.
>
> Cognitions remind one of gears and w'hat knots.
>
> Without cogs, knitting ions may be possible given
> a stretch of yarn and a blarney stone.
>
> Tis a funny Ting, imo, carving
> uncarved oxen in a bamboo grove.
>
> Ting can be said to have practiced wei-wu-wei.
> How he knew how to carve evolved naturally.
>
> Other knack-masters used various techniques
> in the Chuang-tzu from time to time as wells.
>
> - thanks! Cheers!

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By: dolf on Sat, 15 Jun 2024

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