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>
>
> On Wed, 12 Jun 2024, Maximus wrote:
>
>> Attila wrote:
>>> On Wed, 12 Jun 2024 07:37:42 +1000, In the Name of Jesus
>>> <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> in alt.atheism with
>>> message-id <v4ag37$187hc$1@dont-email.me> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 11/06/2024 8:13 pm, Attila wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 11 Jun 2024 09:39:54 +1000, In the Name of Jesus
>>>>> <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> in alt.atheism with
>>>>> message-id <v482sa$l4q3$3@dont-email.me> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 10/06/2024 6:08 pm, Attila wrote:
>>>>>>> On Mon, 10 Jun 2024 08:20:48 +1000, In the Name of Jesus
>>>>>>> <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> in alt.atheism with
>>>>>>> message-id <v459s0$3r090$2@dont-email.me> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 10/06/2024 7:24 am, Attila wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 08 Jun 2024 12:06:38 -0700, The Starmaker
>>>>>>>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>>>> <6664ABBE.2601@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Attila < wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 30 May 2024 12:21:49 -0700, The Starmaker
>>>>>>>>>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>>>>>> <6658D1CD.38D1@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Attila < wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 30 May 2024 09:47:46 -0700, The Starmaker
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <6658ADB2.6E8E@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Attila < wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 29 May 2024 17:04:15 -0700, The Starmaker
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <6657C27F.35B6@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Attila < wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have yet to see any valid evidence supporting the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> existence of any god.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you see trees anywhere else in the universe?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have not looked everywhere.  Have you?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You want proof of God, would a California Driver License
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ID do?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Probably not.  What are the conditions for obtaining one?  I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't trust anything coming out of Cartel West.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The problem here AttiLa is that God is everywhere. Even
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if you looked 'everywhere'
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you wouldn't be able to 'see' Him...just as a fish in his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aquarium doesn't understand
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what he sees everywhere pass the glass.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Difficult to analyze and describe...God is subtle.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Oh, look!  A pile of poop!  That proves there is a god!"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Oh, look!  A rock!  That proves there is a god!"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Oh, look!  A bug!  That proves there is a god!"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Oh, look!  A ham sandwich!  That proves there is a god!"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Take your pick.  For some that is all the evidence that is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> needed.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I think you are not understanding...
>>>>>>>>>>> So you say.  I require a bit more.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> God is everywhere, but
>>>>>>>>>>>> You cannot look everywhere at once.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I didn't say "Look over there."
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> If you look over there you might see a rock..
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> but if you look eveywhere..you see...God.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> God is everywhere, not ...over there.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> A rock is not everywhere, it's over there.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Where's that ham sandwitch???? i bet it's somewhere overthere.
>>>>>>>>>>> I rest my case.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Attila < wrote: "Oh, look!  A ham sandwich! That proves there
>>>>>>>>>> is a god!"
>>>>>> It is if you bother to look at what constitutes a ham sandwich,
>>>>>> where
>>>>>> that ham sandwich came from, and the impossibility of everything
>>>>>> creating itself.
>>>>> There are too many possible alternatives to attribute
>>>>> anything to an intelligent source.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As I said, for some that is all that is necessary.  They
>>>>>>>> Everything is evidence there is a God.
>>>>>>> That is what I mean.  That attitude allows no further
>>>>>>> discussion.
>>>>>> Well, everything is the evidence for God.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And yes, we have differing experience.
>>>>> Thus making the experience of someone else useless.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> BTW, where is any supporting evidence (actual facts) for
>>>>>>> that conclusion?  Or is it only your unsupported belief?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is this the point where I say, "Oh look! There is an Attila! That
>>>>>> proves
>>>>>> there is no God!"
>>>>> You cannot prove a negative.
>>>> Who says?
>>> Anyone.  All possible sources must be investigated to
>>> support a negative and no alternative explanations can
>>> exist.
>>>
>>
>> some negatives can be proven. I could prove there's no gorilla in my
>> car.
>
> Not strictly conclusively.

at any particular point in time is/was implied

> You could be mistaken, one could have snuck in there when you were not
> watching, one could in fact be there _right now_.
>
> I'd say that you would make a stronger claim by saying that you can
> logically prove a negative such as for instance, there is no gorilla
> of specified size in your microwave due to the laws of physics. But
> that is not scientific proof, just a tautology that follows from the
> premises.
>
> But once the gorilla is seen, and documented, it is proven to at least
> have existed forever.
>
> Ok, ok, for the philosophical fans out there, you could always argue
> eternal and supreme doubt, but that leads nowhere which is why it is
> not taken seriously in academic circles.

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