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Subject: Re: God's Existence Is Proven by Several Mathematical Theorems within Standard Physics
From: Jamie Michelle
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On Sat, 17 Feb 2024 07:56:46 -0600, Dawn Flood
<Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 2/13/2024 12:06 PM, James Redford wrote:
>> On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 11:59:05 -0000 (UTC), Dawn Flood
>> <Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2/13/24 12:02 AM, James Redford wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 12 Feb 2024 21:56:22 -0600, Dawn Flood
>>>> <Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2/12/2024 3:37 PM, James Redford wrote:
>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Feb 2024 11:54:58 -0800 (PST), JWS <jldsand@skybeam.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Monday, February 12, 2024 at 12:32:45?PM UTC-6, James Redford wrote:
>>>>>>>> God's Existence Is Proven by Several Mathematical Theorems
>>>>>>> Do any of the so-called theorems point out
>>>>>>> which curvature foliation of hypersurfaces
>>>>>>> this supposed "god thing" is hiding within?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As I stated in my originating post of this thread:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ""
>>>>>> The Omega Point final singularity has all the unique properties
>>>>>> (quiddities) claimed for God in the traditional religions. For much
>>>>>> more on Prof. Tipler's Omega Point cosmology and the details on how it
>>>>>> uniquely conforms to, and precisely matches, the cosmology described
>>>>>> in the New Testament, see my following article, which also addresses
>>>>>> the societal implications of the Omega Point cosmology:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> * James Redford, "The Physics of God and the Quantum Gravity Theory of
>>>>>> Everything", Social Science Research Network (SSRN), Sept. 10, 2012
>>>>>> (orig. pub. Dec. 19, 2011), 186 pp., doi:10.2139/ssrn.1974708,
>>>>>> https://web.archive.org/web/20150927090439/http://theophysics.host56.com/Redford-Physics-of-God.pdf
>>>>>> ,
>>>>>> https://archive.org/download/ThePhysicsOfGodAndTheQuantumGravityTheoryOfEverything/Redford-Physics-of-God.pdf
>>>>>> , https://purl.org/redford/physics-of-god .
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Additionally, in the below resource are different sections which
>>>>>> contain some helpful notes and commentary by me pertaining to
>>>>>> multimedia wherein Prof. Tipler explains the Omega Point cosmology and
>>>>>> the Feynman-DeWitt-Weinberg quantum gravity/Standard Model TOE.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> * James Redford, "Video of Profs. Frank Tipler and Lawrence Krauss's
>>>>>> Debate at Caltech: Can Physics Prove God and Christianity?", God and
>>>>>> Physics Wiki, May 12, 2019 (orig. pub. Apr. 3, 2013),
>>>>>> https://megalodon.jp/2019-0512-1524-14/godandphysics.fandom.com/wiki/Tipler-Krauss_2007_Debate
>>>>>> ,
>>>>>> https://web.archive.org/web/20190512062421/https://godandphysics.fandom.com/wiki/Video_of_Profs._Frank_Tipler_and_Lawrence_Krauss%27s_Debate_at_Caltech:_Can_Physics_Prove_God_and_Christianity%3F
>>>>>> , https://archive.is/V9njw .
>>>>>> ""
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----------------------------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>> James Redford
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Author of The Physics of God and the Quantum Gravity Theory of
>>>>>> Everything: And Other Selected Works (Chisinau, Moldova: Eliva Press,
>>>>>> 2021), 268 pp., ISBN-10: 1636482775, ISBN-13: 9781636482774. See my
>>>>>> curriculum vitæ (ark:/13960/t6g19878v):
>>>>>> https://jamesredford.github.io/Redford-Curriculum-Vitae.pdf ,
>>>>>> https://archive.org/download/JamesRedford/Redford-Curriculum-Vitae.pdf
>>>>>
>>>>> Mr. Redford,
>>>>>
>>>>> What is a "singularity"? My understanding is that singularities in the
>>>>> real world do not exist, as they would be "points" of finite mass in a
>>>>> zero volume of space. As such, they are of infinite density, which is a
>>>>> physical impossibility. And, so, how could any singularity theorems
>>>>> possible lead one to conclude that there is a God. Seems to me that the
>>>>> singularity theorems of Professor Penrose, Hawking, et al., are
>>>>> indicative of new physics beyond General Relativity.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dawn
>>>>
>>>> Hi, Dawn. Your above questions are answered in my following articles
>>>> cited in my originating post of this thread:
>>>>
>>>> * James Redford, "The Physics of God and the Quantum Gravity Theory of
>>>> Everything", Social Science Research Network (SSRN), Sept. 10, 2012
>>>> (orig. pub. Dec. 19, 2011), 186 pp., doi:10.2139/ssrn.1974708,
>>>> https://web.archive.org/web/20150927090439/http://theophysics.host56.com/Redford-Physics-of-God.pdf
>>>> ,
>>>> https://archive.org/download/ThePhysicsOfGodAndTheQuantumGravityTheoryOfEverything/Redford-Physics-of-God.pdf
>>>> , https://purl.org/redford/physics-of-god .
>>>>
>>>> * James Redford, "Video of Profs. Frank Tipler and Lawrence Krauss's
>>>> Debate at Caltech: Can Physics Prove God and Christianity?", God and
>>>> Physics Wiki, May 12, 2019 (orig. pub. Apr. 3, 2013),
>>>> https://megalodon.jp/2019-0512-1524-14/godandphysics.fandom.com/wiki/Tipler-Krauss_2007_Debate
>>>> ,
>>>> https://web.archive.org/web/20190512062421/https://godandphysics.fandom.com/wiki/Video_of_Profs._Frank_Tipler_and_Lawrence_Krauss%27s_Debate_at_Caltech:_Can_Physics_Prove_God_and_Christianity%3F
>>>> , https://archive.is/V9njw .
>>>>
>>>> ----------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> James Redford
>>>>
>>>> Author of The Physics of God and the Quantum Gravity Theory of
>>>> Everything: And Other Selected Works (Chisinau, Moldova: Eliva Press,
>>>> 2021), 268 pp., ISBN-10: 1636482775, ISBN-13: 9781636482774. See my
>>>> curriculum vitæ (ark:/13960/t6g19878v):
>>>> https://jamesredford.github.io/Redford-Curriculum-Vitae.pdf ,
>>>> https://archive.org/download/JamesRedford/Redford-Curriculum-Vitae.pdf
>>>
>>> Why the Way Back Machine? Can't you find a host server and create a live
>>> web page??
>>>
>>> In any case, you're missing my point or refusing to address it. A
>>> "singularity" is an actual infinite. How does a singularity transition
>>> from an infinite density to a finite density??
>>>
>>> Please explain that, and I'll take the time to read your links.
>>>
>>> Dawn
>>
>> See above.
>>
>> ----------------------------------------
>>
>> James Redford
>>
>> Author of The Physics of God and the Quantum Gravity Theory of
>> Everything: And Other Selected Works (Chisinau, Moldova: Eliva Press,
>> 2021), 268 pp., ISBN-10: 1636482775, ISBN-13: 9781636482774. See my
>> curriculum vitæ (ark:/13960/t6g19878v):
>> https://jamesredford.github.io/Redford-Curriculum-Vitae.pdf ,
>> https://archive.org/download/JamesRedford/Redford-Curriculum-Vitae.pdf
>
>Yeah, you can't answer it, can you? What is a singularity:
>
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitational_singularity
>
>"Gravitational singularities are mainly considered in the context of
>general relativity, where density would become infinite at the center of
>a black hole without corrections from quantum mechanics, and within
>astrophysics and cosmology as the earliest state of the universe during
>the Big Bang. Physicists are undecided whether the prediction of
>singularities means that they actually exist (or existed at the start of
>the Big Bang), or that current knowledge is insufficient to describe
>what happens at such extreme densities."
>
>Dawn

If one is willing to violate the known laws of physics, one can derive
any fanciful physical results one desires, such as with physicist
Prof. Roger Penrose's conformal cyclic cosmology, which violates
Quantum Mechanics. As I pointed out in my originating post of this
thread:

Unfortunately, most modern physicists have been all too willing to
abandon the laws of physics if it produces results that they're
uncomfortable with, i.e., in reference to religion. It's the
antagonism for religion on the part of the scientific community which
greatly held up the acceptance of the Big Bang (for some 40 years),
due to said scientific community's displeasure with it confirming the
traditional theological position of *creatio ex nihilo*, and also
because no laws of physics can apply to the singularity itself: i.e.,
quite literally, the singularity is supernatural, in the sense that no
form of physics can apply to it, since physical values are at infinity
at the singularity, and so it is not possible to perform arithmetical
operations on them; and in the sense that the singularity is beyond
creation, as it is not a part of spacetime, but rather is the boundary
of space and time.

In Prof. Stephen Hawking's book The Grand Design (New York, NY: Bantam
Books) coauthored with physicist Dr. Leonard Mlodinow and published in
2010, Hawking uses the String Theory extension M-Theory to argue that
God's existence isn't necessary, although M-Theory has no
observational evidence confirming it.

With String Theory and other nonempirical physics, the physics
community is reverting back to the epistemological methodology of
Aristotelianism, which held to physical theories based upon *a priori*
philosophical ideals. One of the *a priori* ideals held by many
present-day physicists is that God cannot exist, and so if rejecting
the existence of God requires rejecting empirical science, then so be
it.

For details on this rejection of physical law by physicists if it
conflicts with their distaste for religion, see Sec. 5: "The Big
Bang", pp. 28-33 of my "Physics of God" article cited above.

The evolutionary psychological reason for the above-described bizarre
behavior of physicists rejecting physical law when it demonstrates
God's existence is due to the naturally-evolved Jaynesian gods of
old--i.e., the demons--seeking to distance people from genuine
knowledge of God so that the demons may instead falsely present
themselves as God. Among many permutations of this, it often manifests
as various forms of etatism: the state becomes God. Demons are quite
real, they however exist as naturally-evolved Minskian agent subset
programs operating on the wet-computer of the human brain. For more on
this, see my following article:

* James Redford, "Societal Sadomasochism", Social Science Research
Network (SSRN), July 4, 2021 (orig. pub. May 29, 2018), 4 pp.,
doi:10.2139/ssrn.4500656,
https://megalodon.jp/2023-0720-0523-07/archive.org/download/Societal-Sadomasochism/Redford-Societal-Sadomasochism.pdf
, https://archive.org/download/Societal-Sadomasochism/Redford-Societal-Sadomasochism.pdf
, https://www.freezepage.com/1689798200YQSGMQCYTZ .

* * * * *

Regarding your question on singularities and density: your struggle is
with logic itself. But to humor you, this is how (in FriCAS notation):

limit(1/x, x=0) = [leftHandLimit = - infinity, rightHandLimit = +
infinity]

That is, going backward in time toward the singularity, the density of
the universe goes to infinity. Hence, coming out of that singularity,
going forward in time, the universe comes from a state of infinite
density (which is the actual singularity) and goes to states of lesser
density as the universe expands.

----------------------------------------

Jamie Michelle

Author, under the nom de plume of James Redford, of The Physics of God
and the Quantum Gravity Theory of Everything: And Other Selected Works
(Chisinau, Moldova: Eliva Press, 2021), 268 pp., ISBN-10: 1636482775,
ISBN-13: 9781636482774. See my curriculum vitæ (ark:/13960/t6g19878v):
https://jamesredford.github.io/Redford-Curriculum-Vitae.pdf ,
https://archive.org/download/JamesRedford/Redford-Curriculum-Vitae.pdf

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