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NIH scientists made $710M in royalties from drug makers — a fact they tried
to hide

https://nypost.com/2024/06/02/opinion/nih-scientists-made-710m-in-royalties-from-drug-makers-a-fact-they-tried-to-hide/

Definition of an idiot/ignoramus: Someone who gets their information from
the mainstream media and calls it facts and evidence.

http://www.rumormillnews.com - The best alternative news site

Subject: Re: NIH scientists made 710 million in royalties from drug makers - a fact they tried to hide
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On Tue, 4 Jun 2024 23:08:19 +1000, "Andrew W" <space@defense.com>
wrote:

>
>NIH scientists made $710M in royalties from drug makers — a fact they tried
>to hide
>
>https://nypost.com/2024/06/02/opinion/nih-scientists-made-710m-in-royalties-from-drug-makers-a-fact-they-tried-to-hide/

"New data from the National Institutes of Health reveal the agency and
its scientists collected $710 million in royalties during the
pandemic, from late 2021 through 2023."

The data came from the NIH itself. If they were trying to hide it, why
are they revealing it?

"These are payments made by private companies, like pharmaceuticals,
to license medical innovations from government scientists."

The government spends billions of tax payers dollars on developing
drugs and treatments. Private companies pay for a license that gives
them the right to use that intellectual property. The property of the
American people, mind you. Didn't you know that's how this shit works?
Do you want them to simply give it to Big Pharma for free, so that the
"corrupt corporations" can make giant profits?

Here's a bit of perspective for you:
https://www.nih.gov/about-nih/what-we-do/budget
"Research for the People
The NIH invests most of its nearly $48 billion budget in medical
research for the American people."

Let me do the math for you. $710 million worth of royalties over two+
years is roughly $350 million per year. That amounts to 0.73% of the
yearly NIH budget. Do you understand? Less than 1%.

More:
https://www.gao.gov/products/gao-21-52
"NIH received up to $2 billion in royalties from its contributions to
34 drugs sold from 1991-2019. But how does licensing support NIH's
public health mission? What other benefits—e.g., drug affordability,
or increased innovation—do taxpayers get in return?"

That article was published in October, 2020!

Your 'bombshell revelation' of 'huuuuge amounts of dollars' seems to
be nothing other than an attempt to create a scandal where there is
none. And you, a natural born sucker, goes 'Gluck Gluck' once again.

>
>
>
>Definition of an idiot/ignoramus: Someone who gets their information from
>the mainstream media and calls it facts and evidence.
>
>http://www.rumormillnews.com - The best alternative news site

https://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=241334

"The Satanic Roots to Modern Medicine – The Mark of the Beast?

by Brian Shilhavy
Editor, Health Impact News

All the symbols and emblems for modern medicine have one thing in
common: a serpent."

Why is Fauci trying to hide that fact????

--
Malte Runz

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"Malte Runz" wrote in message
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>
>On Tue, 4 Jun 2024 23:08:19 +1000, "Andrew W" <space@defense.com>
>wrote:
>
>>
>>NIH scientists made $710M in royalties from drug makers — a fact they
>>tried
>>to hide
>>
>>https://nypost.com/2024/06/02/opinion/nih-scientists-made-710m-in-royalties-from-drug-makers-a-fact-they-tried-to-hide/
>
>"New data from the National Institutes of Health reveal the agency and
>its scientists collected $710 million in royalties during the
>pandemic, from late 2021 through 2023."
>
>The data came from the NIH itself. If they were trying to hide it, why
>are they revealing it?
>

Because good people are taking over these corrupt orgs. The bad side is
losing.

>
>"These are payments made by private companies, like pharmaceuticals,
>to license medical innovations from government scientists."
>
>The government spends billions of tax payers dollars on developing
>drugs and treatments. Private companies pay for a license that gives
>them the right to use that intellectual property. The property of the
>American people, mind you. Didn't you know that's how this shit works?
>Do you want them to simply give it to Big Pharma for free, so that the
>"corrupt corporations" can make giant profits?
>

Learn to discern the truths and lies in articles. Articles always contain a
mix.

>
>Here's a bit of perspective for you:
>https://www.nih.gov/about-nih/what-we-do/budget
>"Research for the People
>The NIH invests most of its nearly $48 billion budget in medical
>research for the American people."
>
>Let me do the math for you. $710 million worth of royalties over two+
>years is roughly $350 million per year. That amounts to 0.73% of the
>yearly NIH budget. Do you understand? Less than 1%.
>

Don't just trust everything they say.

>
>More:
>https://www.gao.gov/products/gao-21-52
>"NIH received up to $2 billion in royalties from its contributions to
>34 drugs sold from 1991-2019. But how does licensing support NIH's
>public health mission? What other benefits—e.g., drug affordability,
>or increased innovation—do taxpayers get in return?"
>
>That article was published in October, 2020!
>
>Your 'bombshell revelation' of 'huuuuge amounts of dollars' seems to
>be nothing other than an attempt to create a scandal where there is
>none. And you, a natural born sucker, goes 'Gluck Gluck' once again.
>

No. All you do is read some articles and think you have all the facts. It's
not that simple. You have to do research and use your brain. They never tell
you everything.

>>
>>
>>
>>Definition of an idiot/ignoramus: Someone who gets their information from
>>the mainstream media and calls it facts and evidence.
>>
>>http://www.rumormillnews.com - The best alternative news site
>
>https://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=241334
>
>"The Satanic Roots to Modern Medicine – The Mark of the Beast?
>
>by Brian Shilhavy
>Editor, Health Impact News
>
>All the symbols and emblems for modern medicine have one thing in
>common: a serpent."
>
>Why is Fauci trying to hide that fact????
>

What has Fauci been hiding? Only his guilt and profits.

--
Definition of an idiot/ignoramus: Someone who gets their information from
the mainstream media and calls it facts and evidence.

http://www.rumormillnews.com - The best alternative news site

Subject: Re: NIH scientists made 710 million in royalties from drug makers - a fact they tried to hide
From: Malte Runz
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On Wed, 5 Jun 2024 22:09:46 +1000, "Andrew W" <space@defense.com>
wrote:

>"Malte Runz" wrote in message
>news:go606jhvfapledfc6oi0vhkjctqg2sfuk0@4ax.com...
>>
>>On Tue, 4 Jun 2024 23:08:19 +1000, "Andrew W" <space@defense.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>NIH scientists made $710M in royalties from drug makers — a fact they
>>>tried
>>>to hide
>>>
>>>https://nypost.com/2024/06/02/opinion/nih-scientists-made-710m-in-royalties-from-drug-makers-a-fact-they-tried-to-hide/
>>
>>"New data from the National Institutes of Health reveal the agency and
>>its scientists collected $710 million in royalties during the
>>pandemic, from late 2021 through 2023."
>>
>>The data came from the NIH itself. If they were trying to hide it, why
>>are they revealing it?
>>
>
>Because good people are taking over these corrupt orgs. The bad side is
>losing.

NIH is the bad side?
>
>
>>
>>"These are payments made by private companies, like pharmaceuticals,
>>to license medical innovations from government scientists."
>>
>>The government spends billions of tax payers dollars on developing
>>drugs and treatments. Private companies pay for a license that gives
>>them the right to use that intellectual property. The property of the
>>American people, mind you. Didn't you know that's how this shit works?
>>Do you want them to simply give it to Big Pharma for free, so that the
>>"corrupt corporations" can make giant profits?
>>
>
>Learn to discern the truths and lies in articles. Articles always contain a
>mix.

You fell for the propaganda. '$740 million. Whau! There must be
corruption involved'.

I bet you had no idea about the size of the NIH's yearly budget and
what they spend the money on. And if you're going to claim that you
did, then explain why you thought that the $740 million in royalties
is supposed to be such a big deal.
>
>
>>
>>Here's a bit of perspective for you:
>>https://www.nih.gov/about-nih/what-we-do/budget
>>"Research for the People
>>The NIH invests most of its nearly $48 billion budget in medical
>>research for the American people."
>>
>>Let me do the math for you. $710 million worth of royalties over two+
>>years is roughly $350 million per year. That amounts to 0.73% of the
>>yearly NIH budget. Do you understand? Less than 1%.
>>
>
>Don't just trust everything they say.

So, the NIH are telling the truth when they say that they received
$740 million in royalties over two years, but I shouldn't believe them
when they say their yearly budget is $48 billion?

Another example of you calling facts lies when I use them to expose
you for swallowing right wing propaganda.

>
>
>>
>>More:
>>https://www.gao.gov/products/gao-21-52
>>"NIH received up to $2 billion in royalties from its contributions to
>>34 drugs sold from 1991-2019. But how does licensing support NIH's
>>public health mission? What other benefits—e.g., drug affordability,
>>or increased innovation—do taxpayers get in return?"
>>
>>That article was published in October, 2020!
>>
>>Your 'bombshell revelation' of 'huuuuge amounts of dollars' seems to
>>be nothing other than an attempt to create a scandal where there is
>>none. And you, a natural born sucker, goes 'Gluck Gluck' once again.
>>
>
>No. ...

Yes. Every article you link to is and example of that.

> ... All you do is read some articles and think you have all the facts. It's
>not that simple. ...

Every time you say "It's not that simple" I know that you know that
you've been had. You are that simple.

> ... You have to do research and use your brain. They never tell
>you everything.

You linked to one article that popped up in your feed and that is what
you call research. Why didn't you find out what the NIH budget is? Why
didn't you look into what they had previously received? Why didn't you
do anything like that before you pressed send?

'You only listen to the leftist MSM!'
'You don't know what goes on!'
'You have never heard of corruption!'
'You think you know everything!'

Feel free to add to your list of excuses.

>>>Definition of an idiot/ignoramus: Someone who gets their information from
>>>the mainstream media and calls it facts and evidence.
>>>
>>>http://www.rumormillnews.com - The best alternative news site
>>
>>https://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=241334
>>
>>"The Satanic Roots to Modern Medicine – The Mark of the Beast?
>>
>>by Brian Shilhavy
>>Editor, Health Impact News
>>
>>All the symbols and emblems for modern medicine have one thing in
>>common: a serpent."
>>
>>Why is Fauci trying to hide that fact????
>>
>
>What has Fauci been hiding? ...

You tell me. You're the one who claims that he is hiding something.

> ... Only his guilt and profits.

Prove it. The '$740 million affair' is not evidence of Fauci doing
anything wrong. I was business as usual, as I showed you.

--
Malte Runz

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"Malte Runz" wrote in message
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>
>On Wed, 5 Jun 2024 22:09:46 +1000, "Andrew W" <space@defense.com>
>wrote:
>
>>"Malte Runz" wrote in message
>>news:go606jhvfapledfc6oi0vhkjctqg2sfuk0@4ax.com...
>>>
>>>On Tue, 4 Jun 2024 23:08:19 +1000, "Andrew W" <space@defense.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>NIH scientists made $710M in royalties from drug makers — a fact they
>>>>tried
>>>>to hide
>>>>
>>>>https://nypost.com/2024/06/02/opinion/nih-scientists-made-710m-in-royalties-from-drug-makers-a-fact-they-tried-to-hide/
>>>
>>>"New data from the National Institutes of Health reveal the agency and
>>>its scientists collected $710 million in royalties during the
>>>pandemic, from late 2021 through 2023."
>>>
>>>The data came from the NIH itself. If they were trying to hide it, why
>>>are they revealing it?
>>>
>>
>>Because good people are taking over these corrupt orgs. The bad side is
>>losing.
>
>NIH is the bad side?
>

Not entirely. There are good and bad people in every organisation.

>>
>>>
>>>"These are payments made by private companies, like pharmaceuticals,
>>>to license medical innovations from government scientists."
>>>
>>>The government spends billions of tax payers dollars on developing
>>>drugs and treatments. Private companies pay for a license that gives
>>>them the right to use that intellectual property. The property of the
>>>American people, mind you. Didn't you know that's how this shit works?
>>>Do you want them to simply give it to Big Pharma for free, so that the
>>>"corrupt corporations" can make giant profits?
>>>
>>
>>Learn to discern the truths and lies in articles. Articles always contain
>>a
>>mix.
>
>You fell for the propaganda. '$740 million. Whau! There must be
>corruption involved'.
>

And what do you know it? You have nothing.

>
>I bet you had no idea about the size of the NIH's yearly budget and
>what they spend the money on. And if you're going to claim that you
>did, then explain why you thought that the $740 million in royalties
>is supposed to be such a big deal.
>

The situation is not that simple.

>>
>>>
>>>Here's a bit of perspective for you:
>>>https://www.nih.gov/about-nih/what-we-do/budget
>>>"Research for the People
>>>The NIH invests most of its nearly $48 billion budget in medical
>>>research for the American people."
>>>
>>>Let me do the math for you. $710 million worth of royalties over two+
>>>years is roughly $350 million per year. That amounts to 0.73% of the
>>>yearly NIH budget. Do you understand? Less than 1%.
>>>
>>
>>Don't just trust everything they say.
>
>So, the NIH are telling the truth when they say that they received
>$740 million in royalties over two years, but I shouldn't believe them
>when they say their yearly budget is $48 billion?
>
>Another example of you calling facts lies when I use them to expose
>you for swallowing right wing propaganda.
>

It's you who follows the propaganda.

>>
>>
>>>
>>>More:
>>>https://www.gao.gov/products/gao-21-52
>>>"NIH received up to $2 billion in royalties from its contributions to
>>>34 drugs sold from 1991-2019. But how does licensing support NIH's
>>>public health mission? What other benefits—e.g., drug affordability,
>>>or increased innovation—do taxpayers get in return?"
>>>
>>>That article was published in October, 2020!
>>>
>>>Your 'bombshell revelation' of 'huuuuge amounts of dollars' seems to
>>>be nothing other than an attempt to create a scandal where there is
>>>none. And you, a natural born sucker, goes 'Gluck Gluck' once again.
>>>
>>
>>No. ...
>
>Yes. Every article you link to is and example of that.
>

Only in your tiny clown mind.

>
>> ... All you do is read some articles and think you have all the facts.
>> It's
>>not that simple. ...
>
>Every time you say "It's not that simple" I know that you know that
>you've been had. You are that simple.
>

No, you are. You're a narcissist.

>> ... You have to do research and use your brain. They never tell
>>you everything.
>
>You linked to one article that popped up in your feed and that is what
>you call research. Why didn't you find out what the NIH budget is? Why
>didn't you look into what they had previously received? Why didn't you
>do anything like that before you pressed send?
>
>'You only listen to the leftist MSM!'
>'You don't know what goes on!'
>'You have never heard of corruption!'
>'You think you know everything!'
>
>Feel free to add to your list of excuses.
>

Jerk

>
>>>>Definition of an idiot/ignoramus: Someone who gets their information
>>>>from
>>>>the mainstream media and calls it facts and evidence.
>>>>
>>>>http://www.rumormillnews.com - The best alternative news site
>>>
>>>https://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=241334
>>>
>>>"The Satanic Roots to Modern Medicine – The Mark of the Beast?
>>>
>>>by Brian Shilhavy
>>>Editor, Health Impact News
>>>
>>>All the symbols and emblems for modern medicine have one thing in
>>>common: a serpent."
>>>
>>>Why is Fauci trying to hide that fact????
>>>
>>
>>What has Fauci been hiding? ...
>
>You tell me. You're the one who claims that he is hiding something.
>
>> ... Only his guilt and profits.
>
>Prove it. The '$740 million affair' is not evidence of Fauci doing
>anything wrong. I was business as usual, as I showed you.
>

So you still think Fauci is a good hard working person?

--
Definition of an idiot/ignoramus: Someone who gets their information from
the mainstream media and calls it facts and evidence.

http://www.rumormillnews.com - The best alternative news site

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Andrew W wrote:
> "Malte Runz"  wrote in message
> news:7b116j5hppj32l6num9tjfib9udg0n1d54@4ax.com...
>>
>> On Wed, 5 Jun 2024 22:09:46 +1000, "Andrew W" <space@defense.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> "Malte Runz"  wrote in message
>>> news:go606jhvfapledfc6oi0vhkjctqg2sfuk0@4ax.com...
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, 4 Jun 2024 23:08:19 +1000, "Andrew W" <space@defense.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> NIH scientists made $710M in royalties from drug makers — a fact they
>>>>> tried
>>>>> to hide
>>>>>
>>>>> https://nypost.com/2024/06/02/opinion/nih-scientists-made-710m-in-royalties-from-drug-makers-a-fact-they-tried-to-hide/
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "New data from the National Institutes of Health reveal the agency and
>>>> its scientists collected $710 million in royalties during the
>>>> pandemic, from late 2021 through 2023."
>>>>
>>>> The data came from the NIH itself. If they were trying to hide it, why
>>>> are they revealing it?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Because good people are taking over these corrupt orgs. The bad side is
>>> losing.
>>
>> NIH is the bad side?
>>
>
> Not entirely. There are good and bad people in every organisation.
>
>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "These are payments made by private companies, like pharmaceuticals,
>>>> to license medical innovations from government scientists."
>>>>
>>>> The government spends billions of tax payers dollars on developing
>>>> drugs and treatments. Private companies pay for a license that gives
>>>> them the right to use that intellectual property. The property of the
>>>> American people, mind you. Didn't you know that's how this shit works?
>>>> Do you want them to simply give it to Big Pharma for free, so that the
>>>> "corrupt corporations" can make giant profits?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Learn to discern the truths and lies in articles. Articles always
>>> contain a
>>> mix.
>>
>> You fell for the propaganda. '$740 million. Whau! There must be
>> corruption involved'.
>>
>
> And what do you know it? You have nothing.
>
>
>>
>> I bet you had no idea about the size of the NIH's yearly budget and
>> what they spend the money on. And if you're going to claim that you
>> did, then explain why you thought that the $740 million in royalties
>> is supposed to be such a big deal.
>>
>
> The situation is not that simple.
>
>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Here's a bit of perspective for you:
>>>> https://www.nih.gov/about-nih/what-we-do/budget
>>>> "Research for the People
>>>> The NIH invests most of its nearly $48 billion budget in medical
>>>> research for the American people."
>>>>
>>>> Let me do the math for you. $710 million worth of royalties over two+
>>>> years is roughly $350 million per year. That amounts to 0.73% of the
>>>> yearly NIH budget. Do you understand? Less than 1%.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Don't just trust everything they say.
>>
>> So, the NIH are telling the truth when they say that they received
>> $740 million in royalties over two years, but I shouldn't believe them
>> when they say their yearly budget is $48 billion?
>>
>> Another example of you calling facts lies when I use them to expose
>> you for swallowing right wing propaganda.
>>
>
> It's you who follows the propaganda.
>
>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> More:
>>>> https://www.gao.gov/products/gao-21-52
>>>> "NIH received up to $2 billion in royalties from its contributions to
>>>> 34 drugs sold from 1991-2019. But how does licensing support NIH's
>>>> public health mission? What other benefits—e.g., drug affordability,
>>>> or increased innovation—do taxpayers get in return?"
>>>>
>>>> That article was published in October, 2020!
>>>>
>>>> Your 'bombshell revelation' of 'huuuuge amounts of dollars' seems to
>>>> be nothing other than an attempt to create a scandal where there is
>>>> none. And you, a natural born sucker, goes 'Gluck Gluck' once again.
>>>>
>>>
>>> No. ...
>>
>> Yes. Every article you link to is and example of that.
>>
>
> Only in your tiny clown mind.
>
>
>>
>>> ... All you do is read some articles and think you have all the
>>> facts. It's
>>> not that simple. ...
>>
>> Every time you say "It's not that simple" I know that you know that
>> you've been had. You are that simple.
>>
>
> No, you are. You're a narcissist.
>
>
>
>>> ... You have to do research and use your brain. They never tell
>>> you everything.
>>
>> You linked to one article that popped up in your feed and that is what
>> you call research. Why didn't you find out what the NIH budget is? Why
>> didn't you look into what they had previously received? Why didn't you
>> do anything like that before you pressed send?
>>
>> 'You only listen to the leftist MSM!'
>> 'You don't know what goes on!'
>> 'You have never heard of corruption!'
>> 'You think you know everything!'
>>
>> Feel free to add to your list of excuses.
>>
>
> Jerk
>
>
>>
>>>>> Definition of an idiot/ignoramus: Someone who gets their
>>>>> information from
>>>>> the mainstream media and calls it facts and evidence.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.rumormillnews.com - The best alternative news site
>>>>
>>>> https://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=241334
>>>>
>>>> "The Satanic Roots to Modern Medicine – The Mark of the Beast?
>>>>
>>>> by Brian Shilhavy
>>>> Editor, Health Impact News
>>>>
>>>> All the symbols and emblems for modern medicine have one thing in
>>>> common: a serpent."
>>>>
>>>> Why is Fauci trying to hide that fact????
>>>>
>>>
>>> What has Fauci been hiding? ...
>>
>> You tell me. You're the one who claims that he is hiding something.
>>
>>> ... Only his guilt and profits.
>>
>> Prove it. The '$740 million affair' is not evidence of Fauci doing
>> anything wrong. I was business as usual, as I showed you.
>>
>
> So you still think Fauci is a good hard working person?
>
>
he's ok but far from hard working

Subject: Re: NIH scientists made 710 million in royalties from drug makers - a fact they tried to hide
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On Thu, 6 Jun 2024 12:41:59 +1000, "Andrew W" <space@defense.com>
wrote:

>"Malte Runz" wrote in message
>news:7b116j5hppj32l6num9tjfib9udg0n1d54@4ax.com...
>>
>>On Wed, 5 Jun 2024 22:09:46 +1000, "Andrew W" <space@defense.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>"Malte Runz" wrote in message
>>>news:go606jhvfapledfc6oi0vhkjctqg2sfuk0@4ax.com...
>>>>
>>>>On Tue, 4 Jun 2024 23:08:19 +1000, "Andrew W" <space@defense.com>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>NIH scientists made $710M in royalties from drug makers — a fact they
>>>>>tried
>>>>>to hide
>>>>>
>>>>>https://nypost.com/2024/06/02/opinion/nih-scientists-made-710m-in-royalties-from-drug-makers-a-fact-they-tried-to-hide/
>>>>
>>>>"New data from the National Institutes of Health reveal the agency and
>>>>its scientists collected $710 million in royalties during the
>>>>pandemic, from late 2021 through 2023."
>>>>
>>>>The data came from the NIH itself. If they were trying to hide it, why
>>>>are they revealing it?
>>>>
>>>
>>>Because good people are taking over these corrupt orgs. The bad side is
>>>losing.
>>
>>NIH is the bad side?
>>
>
>Not entirely. There are good and bad people in every organisation.

Who are the bad people in the NIH, and what did they do? Same for the
good people.
>
>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"These are payments made by private companies, like pharmaceuticals,
>>>>to license medical innovations from government scientists."
>>>>
>>>>The government spends billions of tax payers dollars on developing
>>>>drugs and treatments. Private companies pay for a license that gives
>>>>them the right to use that intellectual property. The property of the
>>>>American people, mind you. Didn't you know that's how this shit works?
>>>>Do you want them to simply give it to Big Pharma for free, so that the
>>>>"corrupt corporations" can make giant profits?
>>>>
>>>
>>>Learn to discern the truths and lies in articles. Articles always contain
>>>a
>>>mix.
>>
>>You fell for the propaganda. '$740 million. Whau! There must be
>>corruption involved'.
>>
>
>And what do you know it? You have nothing.

Didn't I just show you what the yearly budget of the NIH is and
illustrated that the $740 million is a tiny fraction of the budget?
Didn't I show what the NIH has collected in royalties in previous
years? What did I miss that was relevant to the topic at hand? That
the aliens are controlling the bad people in the NIH?
>
>
>>
>>I bet you had no idea about the size of the NIH's yearly budget and
>>what they spend the money on. And if you're going to claim that you
>>did, then explain why you thought that the $740 million in royalties
>>is supposed to be such a big deal.
>>
>
>The situation is not that simple.

I accept you surrender.
>
>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>Here's a bit of perspective for you:
>>>>https://www.nih.gov/about-nih/what-we-do/budget
>>>>"Research for the People
>>>>The NIH invests most of its nearly $48 billion budget in medical
>>>>research for the American people."
>>>>
>>>>Let me do the math for you. $710 million worth of royalties over two+
>>>>years is roughly $350 million per year. That amounts to 0.73% of the
>>>>yearly NIH budget. Do you understand? Less than 1%.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Don't just trust everything they say.
>>
>>So, the NIH are telling the truth when they say that they received
>>$740 million in royalties over two years, but I shouldn't believe them
>>when they say their yearly budget is $48 billion?
>>
>>Another example of you calling facts lies when I use them to expose
>>you for swallowing right wing propaganda.
>>
>
>It's you who follows the propaganda.

I predicted that reply in another of my recent posts.
>
>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>More:
>>>>https://www.gao.gov/products/gao-21-52
>>>>"NIH received up to $2 billion in royalties from its contributions to
>>>>34 drugs sold from 1991-2019. But how does licensing support NIH's
>>>>public health mission? What other benefits—e.g., drug affordability,
>>>>or increased innovation—do taxpayers get in return?"
>>>>
>>>>That article was published in October, 2020!
>>>>
>>>>Your 'bombshell revelation' of 'huuuuge amounts of dollars' seems to
>>>>be nothing other than an attempt to create a scandal where there is
>>>>none. And you, a natural born sucker, goes 'Gluck Gluck' once again.
>>>>
>>>
>>>No. ...
>>
>>Yes. Every article you link to is and example of that.
>>
>
>Only in your tiny clown mind.

I see you have a new post about Fauci admitting something. I haven't
looked at it yet, but I'm certain that Fauci did not admit to what the
headline says. I will look at the video or read the article, show that
Fauci didn't say what you claim he said. You'll say something like 'he
didn't use those exact words', I'll ask you to point out what he said
that led you to believe he said the other thing, and 'you'll end up
saying "It's not that simple" and accuse me of only listening to
extreme left wing deep state mind controlling propaganda. Wanna bet?
>
>
>>
>>> ... All you do is read some articles and think you have all the facts.
>>> It's
>>>not that simple. ...
>>
>>Every time you say "It's not that simple" I know that you know that
>>you've been had. You are that simple.
>>
>
>No, you are. You're a narcissist.

Define 'narcissist' and make it stick.
>
>
>
>>> ... You have to do research and use your brain. They never tell
>>>you everything.
>>
>>You linked to one article that popped up in your feed and that is what
>>you call research. Why didn't you find out what the NIH budget is? Why
>>didn't you look into what they had previously received? Why didn't you
>>do anything like that before you pressed send?
>>
>>'You only listen to the leftist MSM!'
>>'You don't know what goes on!'
>>'You have never heard of corruption!'
>>'You think you know everything!'
>>
>>Feel free to add to your list of excuses.
>>
>
>Jerk

A monosyllabic grunt. For you that's very sophisticated.
>
>
>>
>>>>>Definition of an idiot/ignoramus: Someone who gets their information
>>>>>from
>>>>>the mainstream media and calls it facts and evidence.
>>>>>
>>>>>http://www.rumormillnews.com - The best alternative news site
>>>>
>>>>https://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=241334
>>>>
>>>>"The Satanic Roots to Modern Medicine – The Mark of the Beast?
>>>>
>>>>by Brian Shilhavy
>>>>Editor, Health Impact News
>>>>
>>>>All the symbols and emblems for modern medicine have one thing in
>>>>common: a serpent."
>>>>
>>>>Why is Fauci trying to hide that fact????
>>>>
>>>
>>>What has Fauci been hiding? ...
>>
>>You tell me. You're the one who claims that he is hiding something.

Another complete failure.

>>
>>> ... Only his guilt and profits.
>>
>>Prove it. The '$740 million affair' is not evidence of Fauci doing
>>anything wrong. I was business as usual, as I showed you.
>>
>
>So you still think Fauci is a good hard working person?

You have given me no reason to think otherwise. '740 million. With an
'm'!!!!'

--
Malte Runz

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"Malte Runz" wrote in message
news:17246jpbt26n0ofnatokgs37nlcgnl2ir9@4ax.com...
>
>On Thu, 6 Jun 2024 12:41:59 +1000, "Andrew W" <space@defense.com>
>wrote:
>
>>"Malte Runz" wrote in message
>>news:7b116j5hppj32l6num9tjfib9udg0n1d54@4ax.com...
>>>
>>>On Wed, 5 Jun 2024 22:09:46 +1000, "Andrew W" <space@defense.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>"Malte Runz" wrote in message
>>>>news:go606jhvfapledfc6oi0vhkjctqg2sfuk0@4ax.com...
>>>>>
>>>>>On Tue, 4 Jun 2024 23:08:19 +1000, "Andrew W" <space@defense.com>
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>NIH scientists made $710M in royalties from drug makers — a fact they
>>>>>>tried
>>>>>>to hide
>>>>>>
>>>>>>https://nypost.com/2024/06/02/opinion/nih-scientists-made-710m-in-royalties-from-drug-makers-a-fact-they-tried-to-hide/
>>>>>
>>>>>"New data from the National Institutes of Health reveal the agency and
>>>>>its scientists collected $710 million in royalties during the
>>>>>pandemic, from late 2021 through 2023."
>>>>>
>>>>>The data came from the NIH itself. If they were trying to hide it, why
>>>>>are they revealing it?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Because good people are taking over these corrupt orgs. The bad side is
>>>>losing.
>>>
>>>NIH is the bad side?
>>>
>>
>>Not entirely. There are good and bad people in every organisation.
>
>Who are the bad people in the NIH, and what did they do? Same for the
>good people.
>>
>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"These are payments made by private companies, like pharmaceuticals,
>>>>>to license medical innovations from government scientists."
>>>>>
>>>>>The government spends billions of tax payers dollars on developing
>>>>>drugs and treatments. Private companies pay for a license that gives
>>>>>them the right to use that intellectual property. The property of the
>>>>>American people, mind you. Didn't you know that's how this shit works?
>>>>>Do you want them to simply give it to Big Pharma for free, so that the
>>>>>"corrupt corporations" can make giant profits?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Learn to discern the truths and lies in articles. Articles always
>>>>contain
>>>>a
>>>>mix.
>>>
>>>You fell for the propaganda. '$740 million. Whau! There must be
>>>corruption involved'.
>>>
>>
>>And what do you know it? You have nothing.
>
>Didn't I just show you what the yearly budget of the NIH is and
>illustrated that the $740 million is a tiny fraction of the budget?
>Didn't I show what the NIH has collected in royalties in previous
>years? What did I miss that was relevant to the topic at hand? That
>the aliens are controlling the bad people in the NIH?
>>
>>
>>>
>>>I bet you had no idea about the size of the NIH's yearly budget and
>>>what they spend the money on. And if you're going to claim that you
>>>did, then explain why you thought that the $740 million in royalties
>>>is supposed to be such a big deal.
>>>
>>
>>The situation is not that simple.
>
>I accept you surrender.
>>
>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Here's a bit of perspective for you:
>>>>>https://www.nih.gov/about-nih/what-we-do/budget
>>>>>"Research for the People
>>>>>The NIH invests most of its nearly $48 billion budget in medical
>>>>>research for the American people."
>>>>>
>>>>>Let me do the math for you. $710 million worth of royalties over two+
>>>>>years is roughly $350 million per year. That amounts to 0.73% of the
>>>>>yearly NIH budget. Do you understand? Less than 1%.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Don't just trust everything they say.
>>>
>>>So, the NIH are telling the truth when they say that they received
>>>$740 million in royalties over two years, but I shouldn't believe them
>>>when they say their yearly budget is $48 billion?
>>>
>>>Another example of you calling facts lies when I use them to expose
>>>you for swallowing right wing propaganda.
>>>
>>
>>It's you who follows the propaganda.
>
>I predicted that reply in another of my recent posts.
>>
>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>More:
>>>>>https://www.gao.gov/products/gao-21-52
>>>>>"NIH received up to $2 billion in royalties from its contributions to
>>>>>34 drugs sold from 1991-2019. But how does licensing support NIH's
>>>>>public health mission? What other benefits—e.g., drug affordability,
>>>>>or increased innovation—do taxpayers get in return?"
>>>>>
>>>>>That article was published in October, 2020!
>>>>>
>>>>>Your 'bombshell revelation' of 'huuuuge amounts of dollars' seems to
>>>>>be nothing other than an attempt to create a scandal where there is
>>>>>none. And you, a natural born sucker, goes 'Gluck Gluck' once again.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>No. ...
>>>
>>>Yes. Every article you link to is and example of that.
>>>
>>
>>Only in your tiny clown mind.
>
>I see you have a new post about Fauci admitting something. I haven't
>looked at it yet, but I'm certain that Fauci did not admit to what the
>headline says. I will look at the video or read the article, show that
>Fauci didn't say what you claim he said. You'll say something like 'he
>didn't use those exact words', I'll ask you to point out what he said
>that led you to believe he said the other thing, and 'you'll end up
>saying "It's not that simple" and accuse me of only listening to
>extreme left wing deep state mind controlling propaganda. Wanna bet?
>>
>>
>>>
>>>> ... All you do is read some articles and think you have all the facts.
>>>> It's
>>>>not that simple. ...
>>>
>>>Every time you say "It's not that simple" I know that you know that
>>>you've been had. You are that simple.
>>>
>>
>>No, you are. You're a narcissist.
>
>Define 'narcissist' and make it stick.
>>
>>
>>
>>>> ... You have to do research and use your brain. They never tell
>>>>you everything.
>>>
>>>You linked to one article that popped up in your feed and that is what
>>>you call research. Why didn't you find out what the NIH budget is? Why
>>>didn't you look into what they had previously received? Why didn't you
>>>do anything like that before you pressed send?
>>>
>>>'You only listen to the leftist MSM!'
>>>'You don't know what goes on!'
>>>'You have never heard of corruption!'
>>>'You think you know everything!'
>>>
>>>Feel free to add to your list of excuses.
>>>
>>
>>Jerk
>
>A monosyllabic grunt. For you that's very sophisticated.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>>>>Definition of an idiot/ignoramus: Someone who gets their information
>>>>>>from
>>>>>>the mainstream media and calls it facts and evidence.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>http://www.rumormillnews.com - The best alternative news site
>>>>>
>>>>>https://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=241334
>>>>>
>>>>>"The Satanic Roots to Modern Medicine – The Mark of the Beast?
>>>>>
>>>>>by Brian Shilhavy
>>>>>Editor, Health Impact News
>>>>>
>>>>>All the symbols and emblems for modern medicine have one thing in
>>>>>common: a serpent."
>>>>>
>>>>>Why is Fauci trying to hide that fact????
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>What has Fauci been hiding? ...
>>>
>>>You tell me. You're the one who claims that he is hiding something.
>
>Another complete failure.
>
>>>
>>>> ... Only his guilt and profits.
>>>
>>>Prove it. The '$740 million affair' is not evidence of Fauci doing
>>>anything wrong. I was business as usual, as I showed you.
>>>
>>
>>So you still think Fauci is a good hard working person?
>
>You have given me no reason to think otherwise. '740 million. With an
>'m'!!!!'
>


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On Sat, 8 Jun 2024 14:05:43 +1000, "Andrew W" <space@defense.com>
wrote:

>"Malte Runz" wrote in message
>news:17246jpbt26n0ofnatokgs37nlcgnl2ir9@4ax.com...
(snip)

>>You have given me no reason to think otherwise. '740 million. With an
>>'m'!!!!'
>>
>
>Here's your problem. ...

That I still expect you to be able to compose a coherent reply? I'll
let you in on a little secret here: I don't.

> ... People always have to tell you and prove everything to
>you because ...

I know you can't and thus prove that you're full of shit.

> ... you can't figure anything out for yourself.

Like any good prosecutor I know the answer before I ask the question.
I don't ask you to explain things to me because I think you have
special knowledge or insight that I can benefit from. I ask you, and
you know this because we've been over this a million (with an 'm'!!!)
times, because I know you have no answer. It's The Emperor's New
Clothes all over again and again and again...

--
Malte Runz

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