On 5/30/24 4:33 AM, In the Name of Jesus wrote:
>Isaiah 45:5  I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God
>beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:
>
>Isaiah 45:6  That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the
>west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else.
>
>Isaiah 45:7  I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and
>create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
>
>God does it all.
>
>I doubt if anyone here would grasp that. The "Christians" like to soften
>that and not call it "evil" but "calamity," but it is evil.
>
>However, there is something that might help. Let's say you would just
>grow older and older and older and never die. Would death, an evil, now
>become a good?
>

Ever hear of the Assumption of Mary? Instead of dying, why can't God just
"swoosh" us all into Heaven??

Dawn

"Dawn Flood" wrote in message news:v3aldv$1r34t$1@dont-email.me...
> Ever hear of the Assumption of Mary?

Not biblical.

> Instead of dying, why can't God just
> "swoosh" us all into Heaven??
>
> Dawn

Will definitely happen, but not 'all'.

On 5/30/2024 4:03 PM, Andrew wrote:
> "Dawn Flood" wrote in message news:v3aldv$1r34t$1@dont-email.me...
>
>> Ever hear of the Assumption of Mary?
>
> Not biblical.
>
>> Instead of dying, why can't God just
>> "swoosh" us all into Heaven??
>>
>> Dawn
>
> Will definitely happen, but not 'all'.
>

If God exists, I think that it is cruel of Him to let any of his
creatures die. And, of course, the view was, for a long time, that
death only became a reality as a result of sin, but, of course, there is
4+ billion years of evolutionary history that all experts in all subject
matters agree attest to the fact of living things dying from then right
up through the present instance of time.

Dawn

"Dawn Flood" wrote in message news:v3asuv$1s42g$2@dont-email.me...
> Andrew wrote:
>> "Dawn Flood" wrote:
>>
>>> Ever hear of the Assumption of Mary?
>>
>> Not biblical.
>>
>>> Instead of dying, why can't God just
>>> "swoosh" us all into Heaven??
>>>
>>> Dawn
>>
>> Will definitely happen, but not 'all'.
>
> If God exists,

You know that He does, because you
have seen the abundance of evidence.

> I think that it is cruel of Him to let
> any of his creatures die.

In His eternal Kingdom, there is no death.

> And, of course, the view was, for a long time, that
> death only became a reality as a result of sin,

Yes, but in the Darwinian paradigm of survival of
the fittest, death is a required and necessary thing..

> of course, there is 4+ billion years of evolutionary
> history

Such history filled with death. Whereas in the Creation
model of origins, it was all perfect and most beautiful.

> that all experts in all subject matters agree attest to
> the fact of living things dying from then right up
> through the present instance of time.

So you agree that death was necessary.Yet you try to
blame God for death! And somehow you fail to see
that such reasoning is foolish.

"Andrew" <andrew.321.remov@usa.net> wrote in news:OVc6O.52309$C1m8.7492
@fx05.ams4:

>
> Such history filled with death. Whereas in the Creation
> model of origins, it was all perfect and most beautiful.

If God's creation was all perfect
why did he have to destroy it all in
Ye Floode?

"Mitchell Holman" wrote in message news:XnsB183838D6B619629555@185.151.15.190...
> "Andrew" wrote:
>
>> Such history filled with death. Whereas in the Creation
>> model of origins, it was all perfect and most beautiful.
>
> If God's creation was all perfect
> why did he have to destroy it all in
> Ye Floode?

Apparently we messed up~big time!

But He promised that He would not
destroy the whole world again, with
water.

Next time it will be with FIRE. That
is yet future. So you still have some
time left. This is what will happen.

Your flesh will dissolve while you
stand on your feet.Your eyes will
dissolve in their sockets, and your
tongue will dissolve in your mouth.
~ Zechariah 14:12

"Andrew" <andrew.321.remov@usa.net> wrote in
news:pRw6O.25062$c2Ba.10012@fx02.ams4:

> "Mitchell Holman" wrote in message
> news:XnsB183838D6B619629555@185.151.15.190...
>> "Andrew" wrote:
>>
>>> Such history filled with death. Whereas in the Creation
>>> model of origins, it was all perfect and most beautiful.
>>
>> If God's creation was all perfect
>> why did he have to destroy it all in
>> Ye Floode?
>
> Apparently we messed up~big time!
>

If the creation is flawed whose fault is that?

Mitchell Holman wrote:
> "Andrew" <andrew.321.remov@usa.net> wrote in
> news:pRw6O.25062$c2Ba.10012@fx02.ams4:
>
>> "Mitchell Holman" wrote in message
>> news:XnsB183838D6B619629555@185.151.15.190...
>>> "Andrew" wrote:
>>>
>>>> Such history filled with death. Whereas in the Creation
>>>> model of origins, it was all perfect and most beautiful.
>>>
>>> If God's creation was all perfect
>>> why did he have to destroy it all in
>>> Ye Floode?
>>
>> Apparently we messed up~big time!
>>
>
>
> If the creation is flawed whose fault is that?
>
>
>
>
who said its a fault

Mitchell Holman wrote:
> "Andrew" <andrew.321.remov@usa.net> wrote in
> news:pRw6O.25062$c2Ba.10012@fx02.ams4:
>
>> "Mitchell Holman" wrote in message
>> news:XnsB183838D6B619629555@185.151.15.190...
>>> "Andrew" wrote:
>>>
>>>> Such history filled with death. Whereas in the Creation
>>>> model of origins, it was all perfect and most beautiful.
>>> If God's creation was all perfect
>>> why did he have to destroy it all in
>>> Ye Floode?
>> Apparently we messed up~big time!
>> But He promised that He would not
>> destroy the whole world again, with
>> water.
>> Next time it will be with FIRE. That
>> is yet future. So you still have some
>> time left. This is what will happen.
>> Your flesh will dissolve while you
>> stand on your feet.Your eyes will
>> dissolve in their sockets, and your
>> tongue will dissolve in your mouth.
>>             ~ Zechariah 14:12
>>

sounds a bit like a nuclear holocaust

>
> If the creation is flawed whose fault is that?

God messed up big time. he never saw the apple thing coming. then he had
to do the the flood thing. now he's still not happy and is going to fry
us all, apparently. but God loves us, of course, don't forget that!

--
“Atheism is the birth right of all human, remember that!”- hhyapster 7.4.23

"Christian beliefs fail against reason, facts, and knowledge"

"Religion is not about truth, it's about lifestyle"

"God is a convenient explanation for what man does not understand.
The less that's inexplicable, the less need for a 'God' explanation."

"The problem with theism is that it never remains within
the realm of belief, but invariably proceeds to assertion"

"Maximus" wrote in message news:lc2jv9Feki3U1@mid.individual.net...
> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>> "Andrew" wrote:
>>> "Mitchell Holman" wrote:
>>>> "Andrew" wrote:
>>>>> Such history filled with death. Whereas in the Creation
>>>>> model of origins, it was all perfect and most beautiful.
>
>>>> If God's creation was all perfect
>>>> why did he have to destroy it all in
>>>> Ye Floode?
>
>>> Apparently we messed up~big time!
>>> But He promised that He would not
>>> destroy the whole world again, with
>>> water.
>
>>> Next time it will be with FIRE. That
>>> is yet future. So you still have some
>>> time left. This is what will happen.
>
>>> Your flesh will dissolve while you
>>> stand on your feet.Your eyes will
>>> dissolve in their sockets, and your
>>> tongue will dissolve in your mouth.
>>> ~ Zechariah 14:12
>
> sounds a bit like a nuclear holocaust

It does.

>> If the creation is flawed whose fault is that?

It was perfect at the beginning.

> God messed up big time.

We did, not Him.

> he never saw the apple thing coming.

He did, and He had the remedy.

> then he had to do the the flood thing.

I note you are not an atheist.

> now he's still not happy and is going to fry us all,

No, not all.

> but God loves us, of course, don't forget that!

The door of Salvation is still open - for you.

Eternal life in a most glorious Kingdom.

Jesus paid the debt for all who would
accept it.

On 5/31/2024 12:07 AM, Andrew wrote:
> "Dawn Flood" wrote in message news:v3asuv$1s42g$2@dont-email.me...
>> Andrew wrote:
>>> "Dawn Flood" wrote:
>>>> Ever hear of the Assumption of Mary?
>>>
>>> Not biblical.
>>>
>>>> Instead of dying, why can't God just
>>>> "swoosh" us all into Heaven??
>>>>
>>>> Dawn
>>>
>>> Will definitely happen, but not 'all'.
>>
>> If God exists,
>
> You know that He does, because you
> have seen the abundance of evidence.
>
>> I think that it is cruel of Him to let
>> any of his creatures die.
>
> In His eternal Kingdom, there is no death.
>
>> And, of course, the view was, for a long time, that death only became
>> a reality as a result of sin,
>
> Yes, but in the Darwinian paradigm of survival of
> the fittest, death is a required and necessary thing..
>> of course, there is 4+ billion years of evolutionary history
>
> Such history filled with death. Whereas in the Creation
> model of origins, it was all perfect and most beautiful.
>
>> that all experts in all subject matters agree attest to
>> the fact of living things dying from then right up through the present
>> instance of time.
>
> So you agree that death was necessary.Yet you try to blame God for
> death! And somehow you fail to see
> that such  reasoning is foolish.

Why do organisms die? For instance, what is the cause of a bacteria dying?

Dawn

On Mon, 3 Jun 2024, Dawn Flood wrote:

> On 5/31/2024 12:07 AM, Andrew wrote:
>> "Dawn Flood" wrote in message news:v3asuv$1s42g$2@dont-email.me...
>>> Andrew wrote:
>>>> "Dawn Flood" wrote:
>>>>> Ever hear of the Assumption of Mary?
>>>>
>>>> Not biblical.
>>>>
>>>>> Instead of dying, why can't God just
>>>>> "swoosh" us all into Heaven??
>>>>>
>>>>> Dawn
>>>>
>>>> Will definitely happen, but not 'all'.
>>>
>>> If God exists,
>>
>> You know that He does, because you
>> have seen the abundance of evidence.
>>
>>> I think that it is cruel of Him to let
>>> any of his creatures die.
>>
>> In His eternal Kingdom, there is no death.
>>
>>> And, of course, the view was, for a long time, that death only became a
>>> reality as a result of sin,
>>
>> Yes, but in the Darwinian paradigm of survival of
>> the fittest, death is a required and necessary thing..
>>> of course, there is 4+ billion years of evolutionary history
>>
>> Such history filled with death. Whereas in the Creation
>> model of origins, it was all perfect and most beautiful.
>>
>>> that all experts in all subject matters agree attest to
>>> the fact of living things dying from then right up through the present
>>> instance of time.
>>
>> So you agree that death was necessary.Yet you try to blame God for death!
>> And somehow you fail to see
>> that such  reasoning is foolish.
>
> Why do organisms die? For instance, what is the cause of a bacteria dying?
>
> Dawn

As an resource management function in evolution?

Dawn Flood wrote:
> On 5/31/2024 12:07 AM, Andrew wrote:
>> "Dawn Flood" wrote in message news:v3asuv$1s42g$2@dont-email.me...
>>> Andrew wrote:
>>>> "Dawn Flood" wrote:
>>>>> Ever hear of the Assumption of Mary?
>>>>
>>>> Not biblical.
>>>>
>>>>> Instead of dying, why can't God just
>>>>> "swoosh" us all into Heaven??
>>>>>
>>>>> Dawn
>>>>
>>>> Will definitely happen, but not 'all'.
>>>
>>> If God exists,
>>
>> You know that He does, because you
>> have seen the abundance of evidence.
>>
>>> I think that it is cruel of Him to let
>>> any of his creatures die.
>>
>> In His eternal Kingdom, there is no death.
>>
>>> And, of course, the view was, for a long time, that death only became
>>> a reality as a result of sin,
>>
>> Yes, but in the Darwinian paradigm of survival of
>> the fittest, death is a required and necessary thing..
>>> of course, there is 4+ billion years of evolutionary history
>>
>> Such history filled with death. Whereas in the Creation
>> model of origins, it was all perfect and most beautiful.
>>
>>> that all experts in all subject matters agree attest to
>>> the fact of living things dying from then right up through the
>>> present instance of time.
>>
>> So you agree that death was necessary.Yet you try to blame God for
>> death! And somehow you fail to see
>> that such  reasoning is foolish.
>
> Why do organisms die?  For instance, what is the cause of a bacteria dying?
>
> Dawn

science and social studies

Andrew wrote:
> "Maximus" wrote in message news:lc2jv9Feki3U1@mid.individual.net...
>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>> "Andrew" wrote:
>>>> "Mitchell Holman" wrote:
>>>>> "Andrew" wrote:
>>>>>> Such history filled with death. Whereas in the Creation
>>>>>> model of origins, it was all perfect and most beautiful.
>>
>>>>>    If God's creation was all perfect
>>>>> why did he have to destroy it all in
>>>>> Ye Floode?
>>
>>>> Apparently we messed up~big time!
>>>> But He promised that He would not
>>>> destroy the whole world again, with
>>>> water.
>>
>>>> Next time it will be with FIRE. That
>>>> is yet future. So you still have some
>>>> time left. This is what will happen.
>>
>>>> Your flesh will dissolve while you
>>>> stand on your feet.Your eyes will
>>>> dissolve in their sockets, and your
>>>> tongue will dissolve in your mouth.
>>>>           ~ Zechariah 14:12
>>
>> sounds a bit like a nuclear holocaust
>
> It does.
>
>>>     If the creation is flawed whose fault is that?
>
> It was perfect at the beginning.
>
>> God messed up big time.
>
> We did, not Him.
>
>> he never saw the apple thing coming.
>
> He did, and He had the remedy.
>
>> then he had to do the the flood thing.
>
> I note you are not an atheist.

I'm telling what you believe

>
>> now he's still not happy and is going to fry us all,
>
> No, not all.
>
>> but God loves us, of course, don't forget that!
>
> The door of Salvation is still open - for you.
>
> Eternal life in a most glorious Kingdom.
>
> Jesus paid the debt for all who would accept it.

Jesus was an apocalyptic preacher who believed that God would create a
paradise on earth in his lifetime. all the other stuff was concocted
about him by others.

--
“Atheism is the birth right of all human, remember that!”- hhyapster 7.4.23

"Christian beliefs fail against reason, facts, and knowledge"

"Religion is not about truth, it's about lifestyle"

"God is a convenient explanation for what man does not understand.
The less that's inexplicable, the less need for a 'God' explanation."

"The problem with theism is that it never remains within
the realm of belief, but invariably proceeds to assertion"

Dawn Flood wrote:
> On 5/31/2024 12:07 AM, Andrew wrote:
>> "Dawn Flood" wrote in message news:v3asuv$1s42g$2@dont-email.me...
>>> Andrew wrote:
>>>> "Dawn Flood" wrote:
>>>>> Ever hear of the Assumption of Mary?
>>>>
>>>> Not biblical.
>>>>
>>>>> Instead of dying, why can't God just
>>>>> "swoosh" us all into Heaven??
>>>>>
>>>>> Dawn
>>>>
>>>> Will definitely happen, but not 'all'.
>>>
>>> If God exists,
>>
>> You know that He does, because you
>> have seen the abundance of evidence.
>>
>>> I think that it is cruel of Him to let
>>> any of his creatures die.
>>
>> In His eternal Kingdom, there is no death.
>>
>>> And, of course, the view was, for a long time, that death only
>>> became a reality as a result of sin,
>>
>> Yes, but in the Darwinian paradigm of survival of
>> the fittest, death is a required and necessary thing..
>>> of course, there is 4+ billion years of evolutionary history
>>
>> Such history filled with death. Whereas in the Creation
>> model of origins, it was all perfect and most beautiful.
>>
>>> that all experts in all subject matters agree attest to
>>> the fact of living things dying from then right up through the
>>> present instance of time.
>>
>> So you agree that death was necessary.Yet you try to blame God for
>> death! And somehow you fail to see
>> that such  reasoning is foolish.
>
> Why do organisms die?  For instance, what is the cause of a bacteria
> dying?
>

mrs. bacteria infected an apple!  :)

> Dawn

--
“Atheism is the birth right of all human, remember that!”- hhyapster 7.4.23

"Christian beliefs fail against reason, facts, and knowledge"

"Religion is not about truth, it's about lifestyle"

"God is a convenient explanation for what man does not understand.
The less that's inexplicable, the less need for a 'God' explanation."

"The problem with theism is that it never remains within
the realm of belief, but invariably proceeds to assertion"

Maximus wrote:
> Andrew wrote:
>> "Maximus" wrote in message news:lc2jv9Feki3U1@mid.individual.net...
>>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>> "Andrew" wrote:
>>>>> "Mitchell Holman" wrote:
>>>>>> "Andrew" wrote:
>>>>>>> Such history filled with death. Whereas in the Creation
>>>>>>> model of origins, it was all perfect and most beautiful.
>>>
>>>>>>    If God's creation was all perfect
>>>>>> why did he have to destroy it all in
>>>>>> Ye Floode?
>>>
>>>>> Apparently we messed up~big time!
>>>>> But He promised that He would not
>>>>> destroy the whole world again, with
>>>>> water.
>>>
>>>>> Next time it will be with FIRE. That
>>>>> is yet future. So you still have some
>>>>> time left. This is what will happen.
>>>
>>>>> Your flesh will dissolve while you
>>>>> stand on your feet.Your eyes will
>>>>> dissolve in their sockets, and your
>>>>> tongue will dissolve in your mouth.
>>>>>           ~ Zechariah 14:12
>>>
>>> sounds a bit like a nuclear holocaust
>>
>> It does.
>>
>>>>     If the creation is flawed whose fault is that?
>>
>> It was perfect at the beginning.
>>
>>> God messed up big time.
>>
>> We did, not Him.
>>
>>> he never saw the apple thing coming.
>>
>> He did, and He had the remedy.
>>
>>> then he had to do the the flood thing.
>>
>> I note you are not an atheist.
>
> I'm telling what you believe
>
>>
>>> now he's still not happy and is going to fry us all,
>>
>> No, not all.
>>
>>> but God loves us, of course, don't forget that!
>>
>> The door of Salvation is still open - for you.
>>
>> Eternal life in a most glorious Kingdom.
>>
>> Jesus paid the debt for all who would accept it.
>
> Jesus was an apocalyptic preacher who believed that God would create a
> paradise on earth in his lifetime. all the other stuff was concocted
> about him by others.
>
if you didn't see this happen how do you know it did

Maximus wrote:
> Dawn Flood wrote:
>> On 5/31/2024 12:07 AM, Andrew wrote:
>>> "Dawn Flood" wrote in message news:v3asuv$1s42g$2@dont-email.me...
>>>> Andrew wrote:
>>>>> "Dawn Flood" wrote:
>>>>>> Ever hear of the Assumption of Mary?
>>>>>
>>>>> Not biblical.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Instead of dying, why can't God just
>>>>>> "swoosh" us all into Heaven??
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dawn
>>>>>
>>>>> Will definitely happen, but not 'all'.
>>>>
>>>> If God exists,
>>>
>>> You know that He does, because you
>>> have seen the abundance of evidence.
>>>
>>>> I think that it is cruel of Him to let
>>>> any of his creatures die.
>>>
>>> In His eternal Kingdom, there is no death.
>>>
>>>> And, of course, the view was, for a long time, that death only
>>>> became a reality as a result of sin,
>>>
>>> Yes, but in the Darwinian paradigm of survival of
>>> the fittest, death is a required and necessary thing..
>>>> of course, there is 4+ billion years of evolutionary history
>>>
>>> Such history filled with death. Whereas in the Creation
>>> model of origins, it was all perfect and most beautiful.
>>>
>>>> that all experts in all subject matters agree attest to
>>>> the fact of living things dying from then right up through the
>>>> present instance of time.
>>>
>>> So you agree that death was necessary.Yet you try to blame God for
>>> death! And somehow you fail to see
>>> that such  reasoning is foolish.
>>
>> Why do organisms die?  For instance, what is the cause of a bacteria
>> dying?
>>
>
> mrs. bacteria infected an apple!  :)
>
>> Dawn
>
>
apple sauce

"Dawn Flood" wrote in message news:v3l8mr$1p1r$1@dont-email.me...
> Andrew wrote:
>> "Dawn Flood" wrote:
>>> Andrew wrote:
>>>> "Dawn Flood" wrote:
>>>>> Ever hear of the Assumption of Mary?
>>>>
>>>> Not biblical.
>>>>
>>>>> Instead of dying, why can't God just
>>>>> "swoosh" us all into Heaven??
>>>>>
>>>>> Dawn
>>>>
>>>> Will definitely happen, but not 'all'.
>>>
>>> If God exists,
>>
>> You know that He does, because you
>> have seen the abundance of evidence.
>>
>>> I think that it is cruel of Him to let
>>> any of his creatures die.
>>
>> In His eternal Kingdom, there is no death.
>>
>>> And, of course, the view was, for a long time, that death only became
>>> a reality as a result of sin,
>>
>> Yes, but in the Darwinian paradigm of survival of
>> the fittest, death is a required and necessary thing..
>>> of course, there is 4+ billion years of evolutionary history
>>
>> Such history filled with death. Whereas in the Creation
>> model of origins, it was all perfect and most beautiful.
>>
>>> that all experts in all subject matters agree attest to
>>> the fact of living things dying from then right up through the present
>>> instance of time.
>>
>> So you agree that death was necessary.Yet you try to blame God for
>> death! And somehow you fail to see
>> that such reasoning is foolish.
>
> Why do organisms die? For instance, what is the cause of a bacteria dying?
>
> Dawn

In this realm everything dies, but not so in the next.

"Maximus" wrote in message news:lc7b1vF5qcqU1@mid.individual.net...
> Andrew wrote:
>> "Maximus" wrote:
>>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>> "Andrew" wrote:
>>>>> "Mitchell Holman" wrote:
>>>>>> "Andrew" wrote:
>>>>>>> Such history filled with death. Whereas in the Creation
>>>>>>> model of origins, it was all perfect and most beautiful.
>>>
>>>>>> If God's creation was all perfect
>>>>>> why did he have to destroy it all in
>>>>>> Ye Floode?
>>>
>>>>> Apparently we messed up~big time!
>>>>> But He promised that He would not
>>>>> destroy the whole world again, with
>>>>> water.
>>>
>>>>> Next time it will be with FIRE. That
>>>>> is yet future. So you still have some
>>>>> time left. This is what will happen.
>>>
>>>>> Your flesh will dissolve while you
>>>>> stand on your feet.Your eyes will
>>>>> dissolve in their sockets, and your
>>>>> tongue will dissolve in your mouth.
>>>>> ~ Zechariah 14:12
>>>
>>> sounds a bit like a nuclear holocaust
>>
>> It does.
>>
>>>> If the creation is flawed whose fault is that?
>>
>> It was perfect at the beginning.
>>
>>> God messed up big time.
>>
>> We did, not Him.
>>
>>> he never saw the apple thing coming.
>>
>> He did, and He had the remedy.
>>
>>> then he had to do the the flood thing.
>>
>> I note you are not an atheist.
>
> I'm telling what you believe

Which, according to your post,
you believe the same bbthing.

>>> now he's still not happy and is going to fry us all,
>>
>> No, not all.
>>
>>> but God loves us, of course, don't forget that!
>>
>> The door of Salvation is still open - for you.
>>
>> Eternal life in a most glorious Kingdom.
>>
>> Jesus paid the debt for all who would accept it.
>
> Jesus was an apocalyptic preacher who believed
> that God would create a paradise on earth in his
> lifetime.

No.

> all the other stuff was concocted
> about him by others.

The fact that He arose from the dead
should tell you that He was the One.

To reject Him is to reject eternal life.

"If you do not believe that I am
He, you will die in your sins."
~ Jesus

Andrew wrote:
> "Maximus" wrote in message news:lc7b1vF5qcqU1@mid.individual.net...
>> Andrew wrote:
>>> "Maximus" wrote:
>           >>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>> "Andrew" wrote:
>>>>>> "Mitchell Holman" wrote:
>>>>>>> "Andrew" wrote:
>>>>>>>> Such history filled with death. Whereas in the Creation
>>>>>>>> model of origins, it was all perfect and most beautiful.
>>>>
>>>>>>> If God's creation was all perfect
>>>>>>> why did he have to destroy it all in
>>>>>>> Ye Floode?
>>>>
>>>>>> Apparently we messed up~big time!
>>>>>> But He promised that He would not
>>>>>> destroy the whole world again, with
>>>>>> water.
>>>>
>>>>>> Next time it will be with FIRE. That
>>>>>> is yet future. So you still have some
>>>>>> time left. This is what will happen.
>>>>
>>>>>> Your flesh will dissolve while you
>>>>>> stand on your feet.Your eyes will
>>>>>> dissolve in their sockets, and your
>>>>>> tongue will dissolve in your mouth.
>>>>>> ~ Zechariah 14:12
>>>>
>>>> sounds a bit like a nuclear holocaust
>>>
>>> It does.
>>>
>>>>> If the creation is flawed whose fault is that?
>>>
>>> It was perfect at the beginning.
>>>
>>>> God messed up big time.
>>>
>>> We did, not Him.
>>>
>>>> he never saw the apple thing coming.
>>>
>>> He did, and He had the remedy.
>>>
>>>> then he had to do the the flood thing.
>>>
>>> I note you are not an atheist.
>>
>> I'm telling what you believe
>
> Which, according to your post, you believe the same thing.

you have a reading comprehension problem

>
>>>> now he's still not happy and is going to fry us all,
>>>
>>> No, not all.
>>>
>>>> but God loves us, of course, don't forget that!
>>>
>>> The door of Salvation is still open - for you.
>>>
>>> Eternal life in a most glorious Kingdom.
>>>
>>> Jesus paid the debt for all who would accept it.
>>
>> Jesus was an apocalyptic preacher who believed that God would create
>> a paradise on earth in his lifetime.
>
> No.

wrong

>
>> all the other stuff was concocted about him by others.
>
> The fact that He arose from the dead
> should tell you that He was the One.

it's never been proven therefore it's not a fact. it's simply a belief
some ppl have. you have a problem of treating your beliefs as facts

>
> To reject Him is to reject eternal life.
>
> "If you do not believe that I am
>   He, you will die in your sins."                    ~ Jesus

when did Jesus write that? oh, that's right, he never did. someone just
said he said it, therefore it's hearsay

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"Religion is not about truth, it's about lifestyle"

"God is a convenient explanation for what man does not understand.
The less that's inexplicable, the less need for a 'God' explanation."

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the realm of belief, but invariably proceeds to assertion"

On Tue, 4 Jun 2024 15:52:34 +1000, Maximus wrote:

> Andrew wrote:
>> "Maximus" wrote in message news:lc7b1vF5qcqU1@mid.individual.net...
>>> Andrew wrote:
>>>> "Maximus" wrote:
>>           >>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>> "Andrew" wrote:
>>>>>>> "Mitchell Holman" wrote:
>>>>>>>> "Andrew" wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Such history filled with death. Whereas in the Creation model of
>>>>>>>>> origins, it was all perfect and most beautiful.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If God's creation was all perfect why did he have to destroy it
>>>>>>>> all in Ye Floode?
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Apparently we messed up~big time! But He promised that He would
>>>>>>> not destroy the whole world again, with water.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Next time it will be with FIRE. That is yet future. So you still
>>>>>>> have some time left. This is what will happen.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Your flesh will dissolve while you stand on your feet.Your eyes
>>>>>>> will dissolve in their sockets, and your tongue will dissolve in
>>>>>>> your mouth. ~ Zechariah 14:12
>>>>>
>>>>> sounds a bit like a nuclear holocaust
>>>>
>>>> It does.
>>>>
>>>>>> If the creation is flawed whose fault is that?
>>>>
>>>> It was perfect at the beginning.
>>>>
>>>>> God messed up big time.
>>>>
>>>> We did, not Him.
>>>>
>>>>> he never saw the apple thing coming.
>>>>
>>>> He did, and He had the remedy.
>>>>
>>>>> then he had to do the the flood thing.
>>>>
>>>> I note you are not an atheist.
>>>
>>> I'm telling what you believe
>>
>> Which, according to your post, you believe the same thing.
>
> you have a reading comprehension problem
>
>
>>>>> now he's still not happy and is going to fry us all,
>>>>
>>>> No, not all.
>>>>
>>>>> but God loves us, of course, don't forget that!
>>>>
>>>> The door of Salvation is still open - for you.
>>>>
>>>> Eternal life in a most glorious Kingdom.
>>>>
>>>> Jesus paid the debt for all who would accept it.
>>>
>>> Jesus was an apocalyptic preacher who believed that God would create a
>>> paradise on earth in his lifetime.
>>
>> No.
>
> wrong

You are correct that he is wrong.

>>> all the other stuff was concocted about him by others.
>>
>> The fact that He arose from the dead should tell you that He was the
>> One.
>
> it's never been proven therefore it's not a fact. it's simply a belief
> some ppl have. you have a problem of treating your beliefs as facts

If one reads the Gospels -- all of them -- then it's clear there was
some "funny business" going on with the stories. They seem to start
out _one_ way, then get "embellished" (to put it kindly).

Take the crucifixion. There are devout Christians who have
themselves crucified every Easter in the Philippines...one guy
has done it 35 times. Yes, it's gruesome. No, it doesn't
kill them after 3 hours.

>> To reject Him is to reject eternal life.

Jesus taught his disciples to pray to _God_, "Our Father". But
you go ahead with your pagan bastardization and profanation of
the Message.

>> "If you do not believe that I am
>>   He, you will die in your sins."                    ~ Jesus
>
> when did Jesus write that? oh, that's right, he never did.
> someone just
> said he said it, therefore it's hearsay

The one that calls himself "Michael Christ" has been known to
come up with his own "Jesus sayings".

It wasn't too long ago when he was singing about _his_ "Lord", that
I confronted him that it was "Lord of the flies" he was talking about.
He confirmed "his Lord" was that, too.

"Lord of the flies" is Baalzebub. Is that who "Michael" serves?
He seemed to say so.

But "the LORD" that Jesus worshiped, and taught his disciples to
pray to, is YHWH, "I AM".

I think "Michael" is very confused about who he serves at this
moment in time.

But there is hope. His question, "Who believes in God?" is ironic,
since he seems to be wrapped up with infernal forces. Even Satan,
it is said, believes in God -- and wants "Michael" to misdirect
his "prophecy".

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-c