Don't assume New York verdict will bounce back to Trump's benefit

They could easily be wrong.

To be sure, nobody knows for certain what the political ramifications of
the verdict will be, given that the nation is once again in uncharted
waters. Trump is the first former president to be found guilty of a felony
� 34 of them, in his case.

Team Trump contends that the outcome has enraged his supporters � which is
clearly true � and has prompted a surge in fundraising.

The Trump campaign on Friday claimed that it raised an astronomical $34.8
million in less than seven hours after the verdict was announced the
previous day.

Conservative commentators are amplifying the former president�s claims that
he has been on the receiving end of a politically motivated prosecution,
intended to hobble his chances of winning back the White House in November.

But there is an equally plausible narrative that holds the verdict could
hurt Trump far more than help him. Democrats argue this could shift the
election in President Biden�s favor.

A criminal conviction for Trump could peel off some of the swing voters who
might otherwise give him their backing, give pause to those who remain
undecided and penetrate the consciousness of those who are disinclined to
follow every twist and turn of politics.

Even before the verdict was announced, it was clear that some share of GOP-
leaning voters retains qualms about Trump.

Former United Nations Ambassador Nikki Haley has continued to rack up votes
in a GOP primary from which she withdrew more than two months ago. Earlier
this month, Haley got around 20 percent of the vote in primaries in
Indiana, Maryland and Nebraska.

This non-Trump �protest vote� appears at least as significant as the trend
of Democrats voting �uncommitted� to register their objections to Biden�s
policies regarding Israel and Gaza.

On top of that, polls show a broadly similar swath of voters who simply
don�t buy into Trump�s argument that his conviction is evidence that he has
been victimized by a sinister, liberal alliance.

An Economist/YouGov poll released Wednesday found, as expected, that the
overwhelming majority of Republicans (72 percent) view the investigations
that underpinned Trump�s prosecution as unfair. But that still leaves more
than 1 in 4 who either see those investigations as fair (10 percent) or are
not sure whether they were fair or unfair (16 percent).

A follow-up poll, released by YouGov on Friday morning, found that 10
percent of surveyed Republicans and 27 percent of independents said the
guilty verdict made them less likely to vote for Trump.

Trump�s defenders would point out that the doubters are far outnumbered by
people who say the verdict makes no difference to their voting intentions �
34 percent of Republicans and 39 percent of independents.

But that may be beside the point, given how close November�s election is
likely to be.

In the polling average maintained by The Hill and Decision Desk HQ, Trump
leads Biden by only 1.5 percentage points as of Friday evening. In the
swathe of three battleground states running from Pennsylvania through
Michigan to Wisconsin, Trump�s advantage is also under 2 points.

�Elections are won on the margins,� said progressive strategist Jonathan
Tasini. �All you have to do is hit a small number of voters in maybe half a
dozen states, and it�s over.�

Tasini said it was �pretty obvious� that a criminal conviction for Trump
could have such an impact.

He also argued that the degree to which the guilty verdict energizes
Trump�s MAGA base could be ultimately irrelevant, since it only solidifies
votes the former president would have received regardless.

�His base was fired up, conviction or not,� Tasini asserted. �It�s hard to
see that this [verdict] helps him other than with fundraising.�

There is the nature of the New York case to consider, as well. The 34
felony counts of falsifying business records all revolve around a $130,000
hush money payment to adult film actress Stormy Daniels. The money was
intended to prevent Daniels from going public, in the final days of the
2016 election campaign, with her story of having sex with Trump at a
celebrity golf tournament a decade previously.

Lurid allegations involving Trump are hardly a surprise at this point. But
that doesn�t mean voters want them shoved in their face once again.

The nature of the case � and the verdict � is �going to creep into the
conscience of everybody over the course of time,� said Democratic
strategist Tad Devine.

Devine also contended that even Trump�s fiery recitation of resentments at
a news conference on Friday was an example of the kind of behavior that can
turn voters off.

�The guy is talking about himself and his grievances nonstop when people
are dealing with real issues in their lives,� the strategist said.

On 6/2/24 2:45 PM, Trump Is King of The Assholes wrote:
>Don't assume New York verdict will bounce back to Trump's benefit
>
>They could easily be wrong.
>
>To be sure, nobody knows for certain what the political ramifications of
>the verdict will be, given that the nation is once again in uncharted
>waters. Trump is the first former president to be found guilty of a felony
>� 34 of them, in his case.
>
>Team Trump contends that the outcome has enraged his supporters � which is
>clearly true � and has prompted a surge in fundraising.
>
>The Trump campaign on Friday claimed that it raised an astronomical $34.8
>million in less than seven hours after the verdict was announced the
>previous day.
>
>Conservative commentators are amplifying the former president�s claims that
>he has been on the receiving end of a politically motivated prosecution,
>intended to hobble his chances of winning back the White House in November.
>
>But there is an equally plausible narrative that holds the verdict could
>hurt Trump far more than help him. Democrats argue this could shift the
>election in President Biden�s favor.
>
>A criminal conviction for Trump could peel off some of the swing voters who
>might otherwise give him their backing, give pause to those who remain
>undecided and penetrate the consciousness of those who are disinclined to
>follow every twist and turn of politics.
>
>Even before the verdict was announced, it was clear that some share of GOP-
>leaning voters retains qualms about Trump.
>
>Former United Nations Ambassador Nikki Haley has continued to rack up votes
>in a GOP primary from which she withdrew more than two months ago. Earlier
>this month, Haley got around 20 percent of the vote in primaries in
>Indiana, Maryland and Nebraska.
>
>This non-Trump �protest vote� appears at least as significant as the trend
>of Democrats voting �uncommitted� to register their objections to Biden�s
>policies regarding Israel and Gaza.
>
>On top of that, polls show a broadly similar swath of voters who simply
>don�t buy into Trump�s argument that his conviction is evidence that he has
>been victimized by a sinister, liberal alliance.
>
>An Economist/YouGov poll released Wednesday found, as expected, that the
>overwhelming majority of Republicans (72 percent) view the investigations
>that underpinned Trump�s prosecution as unfair. But that still leaves more
>than 1 in 4 who either see those investigations as fair (10 percent) or are
>not sure whether they were fair or unfair (16 percent).
>
>A follow-up poll, released by YouGov on Friday morning, found that 10
>percent of surveyed Republicans and 27 percent of independents said the
>guilty verdict made them less likely to vote for Trump.
>
>Trump�s defenders would point out that the doubters are far outnumbered by
>people who say the verdict makes no difference to their voting intentions �
>34 percent of Republicans and 39 percent of independents.
>
>But that may be beside the point, given how close November�s election is
>likely to be.
>
>In the polling average maintained by The Hill and Decision Desk HQ, Trump
>leads Biden by only 1.5 percentage points as of Friday evening. In the
>swathe of three battleground states running from Pennsylvania through
>Michigan to Wisconsin, Trump�s advantage is also under 2 points.
>
>�Elections are won on the margins,� said progressive strategist Jonathan
>Tasini. �All you have to do is hit a small number of voters in maybe half a
>dozen states, and it�s over.�
>
>Tasini said it was �pretty obvious� that a criminal conviction for Trump
>could have such an impact.
>
>He also argued that the degree to which the guilty verdict energizes
>Trump�s MAGA base could be ultimately irrelevant, since it only solidifies
>votes the former president would have received regardless.
>
>�His base was fired up, conviction or not,� Tasini asserted. �It�s hard to
>see that this [verdict] helps him other than with fundraising.�
>
>There is the nature of the New York case to consider, as well. The 34
>felony counts of falsifying business records all revolve around a $130,000
>hush money payment to adult film actress Stormy Daniels. The money was
>intended to prevent Daniels from going public, in the final days of the
>2016 election campaign, with her story of having sex with Trump at a
>celebrity golf tournament a decade previously.
>
>Lurid allegations involving Trump are hardly a surprise at this point. But
>that doesn�t mean voters want them shoved in their face once again.
>
>The nature of the case � and the verdict � is �going to creep into the
>conscience of everybody over the course of time,� said Democratic
>strategist Tad Devine.
>
>Devine also contended that even Trump�s fiery recitation of resentments at
>a news conference on Friday was an example of the kind of behavior that can
>turn voters off.
>
>�The guy is talking about himself and his grievances nonstop when people
>are dealing with real issues in their lives,� the strategist said.

From what I've read, Trump's support has never gone above 47% nationally.

Dawn

Dawn Flood wrote:
> On 6/2/24 2:45 PM, Trump Is King of The Assholes wrote:
>> Don't assume New York verdict will bounce back to Trump's benefit
>> They could easily be wrong.
>>
>> To be sure, nobody knows for certain what the political ramifications
>> of the verdict will be, given that the nation is once again in
>> uncharted waters. Trump is the first former president to be found
>> guilty of a felony � 34 of them, in his case.
>>
>> Team Trump contends that the outcome has enraged his supporters �
>> which is clearly true � and has prompted a surge in fundraising.
>> The Trump campaign on Friday claimed that it raised an astronomical
>> $34.8 million in less than seven hours after the verdict was announced
>> the previous day.
>> Conservative commentators are amplifying the former president�s claims
>> that he has been on the receiving end of a politically motivated
>> prosecution, intended to hobble his chances of winning back the White
>> House in November.
>>
>> But there is an equally plausible narrative that holds the verdict
>> could hurt Trump far more than help him. Democrats argue this could
>> shift the election in President Biden�s favor.
>>
>> A criminal conviction for Trump could peel off some of the swing
>> voters who might otherwise give him their backing, give pause to those
>> who remain undecided and penetrate the consciousness of those who are
>> disinclined to follow every twist and turn of politics.
>> Even before the verdict was announced, it was clear that some share of
>> GOP-
>> leaning voters retains qualms about Trump.
>>
>> Former United Nations Ambassador Nikki Haley has continued to rack up
>> votes in a GOP primary from which she withdrew more than two months
>> ago. Earlier this month, Haley got around 20 percent of the vote in
>> primaries in Indiana, Maryland and Nebraska.
>> This non-Trump �protest vote� appears at least as significant as the
>> trend of Democrats voting �uncommitted� to register their objections
>> to Biden�s policies regarding Israel and Gaza.
>>
>> On top of that, polls show a broadly similar swath of voters who
>> simply don�t buy into Trump�s argument that his conviction is evidence
>> that he has been victimized by a sinister, liberal alliance.
>>
>> An Economist/YouGov poll released Wednesday found, as expected, that
>> the overwhelming majority of Republicans (72 percent) view the
>> investigations that underpinned Trump�s prosecution as unfair. But
>> that still leaves more than 1 in 4 who either see those investigations
>> as fair (10 percent) or are not sure whether they were fair or unfair
>> (16 percent).
>>
>> A follow-up poll, released by YouGov on Friday morning, found that 10
>> percent of surveyed Republicans and 27 percent of independents said
>> the guilty verdict made them less likely to vote for Trump.
>>
>> Trump�s defenders would point out that the doubters are far
>> outnumbered by people who say the verdict makes no difference to their
>> voting intentions � 34 percent of Republicans and 39 percent of
>> independents.
>>
>> But that may be beside the point, given how close November�s election
>> is likely to be.
>>
>> In the polling average maintained by The Hill and Decision Desk HQ,
>> Trump leads Biden by only 1.5 percentage points as of Friday evening.
>> In the swathe of three battleground states running from Pennsylvania
>> through Michigan to Wisconsin, Trump�s advantage is also under 2 points.
>>
>> �Elections are won on the margins,� said progressive strategist
>> Jonathan Tasini. �All you have to do is hit a small number of voters
>> in maybe half a dozen states, and it�s over.�
>>
>> Tasini said it was �pretty obvious� that a criminal conviction for
>> Trump could have such an impact.
>>
>> He also argued that the degree to which the guilty verdict energizes
>> Trump�s MAGA base could be ultimately irrelevant, since it only
>> solidifies votes the former president would have received regardless.
>>
>> �His base was fired up, conviction or not,� Tasini asserted. �It�s
>> hard to see that this [verdict] helps him other than with fundraising.�
>>
>> There is the nature of the New York case to consider, as well. The 34
>> felony counts of falsifying business records all revolve around a
>> $130,000 hush money payment to adult film actress Stormy Daniels. The
>> money was intended to prevent Daniels from going public, in the final
>> days of the 2016 election campaign, with her story of having sex with
>> Trump at a celebrity golf tournament a decade previously.
>>
>> Lurid allegations involving Trump are hardly a surprise at this point.
>> But that doesn�t mean voters want them shoved in their face once again.
>>
>> The nature of the case � and the verdict � is �going to creep into the
>> conscience of everybody over the course of time,� said Democratic
>> strategist Tad Devine.
>> Devine also contended that even Trump�s fiery recitation of
>> resentments at a news conference on Friday was an example of the kind
>> of behavior that can turn voters off.
>>
>> �The guy is talking about himself and his grievances nonstop when
>> people are dealing with real issues in their lives,� the strategist said.
>
> From what I've read, Trump's support has never gone above 47% nationally.
>
> Dawn

then you don't read enough

On 6/2/2024 1:45 PM, Trump Is King of The Assholes wrote:
> They could easily be wrong.

Nope.

https://pjmedia.com/victoria-taft/2024/06/01/dershowitz-trumps-even-more-screwed-than-he-thinks-n4929526

One of Trump's attorneys says some of the issues lawyers are concerned
about were preserved and appeals issued. However, Alina Habba told Fox
News host Laura Ingraham that those appeals were under seal and the
lawyers were gagged.

https://pjmedia.com

Rightist lie site. Complete fabrication.

You swallow their shit? You have no brain.

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"PJTV" redirects here. For television station in Indonesia, see Parijz van
Java TV.
PJ Media
Company type Subsidiary
Industry Online media
Founded 2004
Founder Charles Foster Johnson, Roger L. Simon
Headquarters United States
Key people
Aubrey Chernick
Roger L. Simon
Products PJ Media, PJTV
Owner Salem Media Group
Website pjmedia.com

PJ Media, originally known as Pajamas Media, is an American right-wing[1]
subscription-based[2] commentary website.

False claims

In August 2018, PJ Media published an article by then supervising editor
Paula Bolyard,[18] claiming that Google was manipulating its algorithm to
prioritize left-leaning news outlets in their coverage of President Trump.
[19] Bolyard acknowledged that her study was "not scientific", although she
did conclude that "the results suggest a pattern of bias against right-
leaning content." Fact checkers at PolitiFact rated this claim false.[20]

In January 2019, PJ Media published a column by their senior editor Tyler
O'Neil[21] in which he insinuated in his article that a Muslim community
patrol in New York City might be enforcing Sharia Law and might be linked
to the NYPD.[22] This group, the Muslim Community Patrol Service (MCPS)[23]
was a certified volunteer Neighborhood watch in Brooklyn, a NYC CERT[24]
along with other community patrols such as the Brooklyn Asian Safety Patrol
[25] and the Guardian Angels. PJ Media offered nothing that demonstrated
the MCPS could, or planned to, "enforce Sharia law", beyond engaging in the
speculative hypothetical that the MCPS might somehow "apply [...] Sharia in
its community monitoring." Fact-checkers at Snopes rated this claim false.
[26]

In February 2019, PJ Media published a column by one of their writers John
Hawkins,[27] also creator of Rightwingnews, in which he stated in an
article titled "The Six Most Bizarre Proposals from Alexandria Ocasio-
Cortez's Green New Deal",[28] making five out of six claims such as
"getting rid of airplanes" or "getting rid of cows", aim to "get rid of
gas-powered cars in a decade", call for eliminating carbon emissions in ten
years "without the use of nuclear power", or "promise 'economic security'
for those 'unwilling to work'". Fact checkers at NewsGuard rated these five
claims false,[29] which can be further verified by the official government
resolution H.Res.109 Green New Deal proposed by Congresswoman Alexandria
Ocasio-Cortez.[30]

In January 2020, PJ Media published a column by one of their writers,[31]
Robert Spencer, also founder and director of the anti-Muslim conspiracy
blog Jihad Watch, in which he stated that congresswoman Ilhan Omar had
given Iran military advice by suggesting it could target Trump hotels, and
thus committed treason.[32] Fact-checkers at Snopes rated this claim false.
[33]

In February 2020, PJ Media published a column by Victoria Taft, one of
their writers[34] and a conservative talk show host,[35] in which she
stated that President Barack Obama waited until millions were infected and
1000 dead in the U.S. before he declared the Pandemic H1N1/09 virus an
emergency.[36] Fact-checkers at Snopes rated this claim false.[37]

According to NewsGuard,[38] articles on PJMedia.com have frequently
included distorted or misleading claims,[39] including about the COVID-19
pandemic. A now deleted July 2020 article written by Matt Margolis
headlined "COVID-19 May Soon Lose Status as an 'Epidemic' Under CDC
Guidelines",[40] promoted a misleading claim originally published by
JustTheNews.com. Many other websites reported this story by PJ Media.[41]
[42] After the fact, PJ Media never issued a correction to their original
story, but only an update with changes and a new headline "COVID-19 Will
Not Soon Lose Status as an 'Epidemic' Under the CDC".[43]

In August, 2020, PJ Media published an article by their Chicago editor Rick
Moran,[44] claiming Democrats were urging presidential candidate Joe Biden
not to debate with President Trump because they were concerned with the
former vice president's mental stamina.[45] The source for this claim cited
on the PJ Media article was from Newsweek, but the article states that the
former vice president was advised not to debate Trump, citing "publicity
stunts and disregard for the rules in 2016" as well as cancelling debates
over concerns of the COVID-19 pandemic.[46] Furthermore, the Newsweek
article cited by PJ Media makes no mention about any mental stamina.
According to CNN, Biden spokesman TJ Ducklo stated that presidential
candidate Biden has already agreed to three debates with President Trump in
fall 2020.[47]

In September 2020, PJ Media published an article by senior editor Tyler
O'Neil,[48] claiming that Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden was
promising fewer fires, floods, and hurricanes if he should defeat Donald
Trump in November.[49] Though Biden did promise he would solve the climate
crisis if elected in November, he did not literally promise fewer
catastrophic events. Fact checkers at Snopes rated this claim as false.[50]

In September 2022, PJ Media blogger Matt Margolis was the originator of a
claim made in a PJ Media article that �The Obama Foundation stored
classified documents in an abandoned furniture warehouse.[51] Snopes[52]
called this out as a false claim as both classified and unclassified
records from the Obama presidency were temporarily located in Hoffman
Estates, a suburb of Chicago, in a building that used to be an old
furniture store. However, while the Obama Foundation provided funds to move
and store those records, it had neither possession nor control of them,
given that they were in the custody of the National Archives and Records
Administration (NARA) from the day Obama left office. What the PJ Media
article failed to mention is that this was an agreement in which the
foundation provided funds to move documents, but did not state that the
foundation had control or access to those documents. After further research
and scrutiny from other fact-checkers such as USA Today,[53] PJ Media later
admitted they made a false claim.[54]

On 2024-06-02, CaLaVeRa <cv@invalid.org> wrote:
> On 6/2/2024 1:45 PM, Trump Is King of The Assholes wrote:
>> They could easily be wrong.
>
> Nope.
>
> https://pjmedia.com/victoria-taft/2024/06/01/dershowitz-trumps-even-more-screwed-than-he-thinks-n4929526
>
> One of Trump's attorneys says some of the issues lawyers are concerned
> about were preserved and appeals issued. However, Alina Habba told Fox
> News host Laura Ingraham that those appeals were under seal and the
> lawyers were gagged.

As long as Trump's appeals remain in NY following process, he is screwed because the entire system
is far left, bought and bribed by big money from the left wingers.

Once Trump hits the SCOTUS, he will be exonerated because this entire case is a sham.

--
pothead
Joe Biden is the absolute WORST President Of the U.S. ever.
Nobody else is even close. Including Jimmy Carter.
Vote for ANYBODY but Joe Biden in 2024.

On 6/2/24 3:12 PM, % wrote:
>Dawn Flood wrote:
>> On 6/2/24 2:45 PM, Trump Is King of The Assholes wrote:
>>> Don't assume New York verdict will bounce back to Trump's benefit
>>> They could easily be wrong.
>>>
>>> To be sure, nobody knows for certain what the political ramifications
>>> of the verdict will be, given that the nation is once again in
>>> uncharted waters. Trump is the first former president to be found
>>> guilty of a felony � 34 of them, in his case.
>>>
>>> Team Trump contends that the outcome has enraged his supporters �
>>> which is clearly true � and has prompted a surge in fundraising.
>>> The Trump campaign on Friday claimed that it raised an astronomical
>>> $34.8 million in less than seven hours after the verdict was announced
>>> the previous day.
>>> Conservative commentators are amplifying the former president�s claims
>>> that he has been on the receiving end of a politically motivated
>>> prosecution, intended to hobble his chances of winning back the White
>>> House in November.
>>>
>>> But there is an equally plausible narrative that holds the verdict
>>> could hurt Trump far more than help him. Democrats argue this could
>>> shift the election in President Biden�s favor.
>>>
>>> A criminal conviction for Trump could peel off some of the swing
>>> voters who might otherwise give him their backing, give pause to those
>>> who remain undecided and penetrate the consciousness of those who are
>>> disinclined to follow every twist and turn of politics.
>>> Even before the verdict was announced, it was clear that some share of
>>> GOP-
>>> leaning voters retains qualms about Trump.
>>>
>>> Former United Nations Ambassador Nikki Haley has continued to rack up
>>> votes in a GOP primary from which she withdrew more than two months
>>> ago. Earlier this month, Haley got around 20 percent of the vote in
>>> primaries in Indiana, Maryland and Nebraska.
>>> This non-Trump �protest vote� appears at least as significant as the
>>> trend of Democrats voting �uncommitted� to register their objections
>>> to Biden�s policies regarding Israel and Gaza.
>>>
>>> On top of that, polls show a broadly similar swath of voters who
>>> simply don�t buy into Trump�s argument that his conviction is evidence
>>> that he has been victimized by a sinister, liberal alliance.
>>>
>>> An Economist/YouGov poll released Wednesday found, as expected, that
>>> the overwhelming majority of Republicans (72 percent) view the
>>> investigations that underpinned Trump�s prosecution as unfair. But
>>> that still leaves more than 1 in 4 who either see those investigations
>>> as fair (10 percent) or are not sure whether they were fair or unfair
>>> (16 percent).
>>>
>>> A follow-up poll, released by YouGov on Friday morning, found that 10
>>> percent of surveyed Republicans and 27 percent of independents said
>>> the guilty verdict made them less likely to vote for Trump.
>>>
>>> Trump�s defenders would point out that the doubters are far
>>> outnumbered by people who say the verdict makes no difference to their
>>> voting intentions � 34 percent of Republicans and 39 percent of
>>> independents.
>>>
>>> But that may be beside the point, given how close November�s election
>>> is likely to be.
>>>
>>> In the polling average maintained by The Hill and Decision Desk HQ,
>>> Trump leads Biden by only 1.5 percentage points as of Friday evening.
>>> In the swathe of three battleground states running from Pennsylvania
>>> through Michigan to Wisconsin, Trump�s advantage is also under 2 points.
>>>
>>> �Elections are won on the margins,� said progressive strategist
>>> Jonathan Tasini. �All you have to do is hit a small number of voters
>>> in maybe half a dozen states, and it�s over.�
>>>
>>> Tasini said it was �pretty obvious� that a criminal conviction for
>>> Trump could have such an impact.
>>>
>>> He also argued that the degree to which the guilty verdict energizes
>>> Trump�s MAGA base could be ultimately irrelevant, since it only
>>> solidifies votes the former president would have received regardless.
>>>
>>> �His base was fired up, conviction or not,� Tasini asserted. �It�s
>>> hard to see that this [verdict] helps him other than with fundraising.�
>>>
>>> There is the nature of the New York case to consider, as well. The 34
>>> felony counts of falsifying business records all revolve around a
>>> $130,000 hush money payment to adult film actress Stormy Daniels. The
>>> money was intended to prevent Daniels from going public, in the final
>>> days of the 2016 election campaign, with her story of having sex with
>>> Trump at a celebrity golf tournament a decade previously.
>>>
>>> Lurid allegations involving Trump are hardly a surprise at this point.
>>> But that doesn�t mean voters want them shoved in their face once again.
>>>
>>> The nature of the case � and the verdict � is �going to creep into the
>>> conscience of everybody over the course of time,� said Democratic
>>> strategist Tad Devine.
>>> Devine also contended that even Trump�s fiery recitation of
>>> resentments at a news conference on Friday was an example of the kind
>>> of behavior that can turn voters off.
>>>
>>> �The guy is talking about himself and his grievances nonstop when
>>> people are dealing with real issues in their lives,� the strategist said.
>>
>> From what I've read, Trump's support has never gone above 47% nationally.
>>
>> Dawn
>
>then you don't read enough

Do you have another polling source? If so, state it here.

Dawn

On 6/2/24 7:21 PM, pothead wrote:
>On 2024-06-02, CaLaVeRa <cv@invalid.org> wrote:
>> On 6/2/2024 1:45 PM, Trump Is King of The Assholes wrote:
>>> They could easily be wrong.
>>
>> Nope.
>>
>> https://pjmedia.com/victoria-taft/2024/06/01/dershowitz-trumps-even-more-screwed-than-he-thinks-n4929526
>>
>> One of Trump's attorneys says some of the issues lawyers are concerned
>> about were preserved and appeals issued. However, Alina Habba told Fox
>> News host Laura Ingraham that those appeals were under seal and the
>> lawyers were gagged.
>
>As long as Trump's appeals remain in NY following process, he is screwed because the entire system
>is far left, bought and bribed by big money from the left wingers.
>
>Once Trump hits the SCOTUS, he will be exonerated because this entire case is a sham.

Why would SCOTUS review a state court decision that is based upon New York
state law??

Dawn

Dawn Flood wrote:
> On 6/2/24 3:12 PM, % wrote:
>> Dawn Flood wrote:
>>> On 6/2/24 2:45 PM, Trump Is King of The Assholes wrote:
>>>> Don't assume New York verdict will bounce back to Trump's benefit
>>>> They could easily be wrong.
>>>>
>>>> To be sure, nobody knows for certain what the political
>>>> ramifications of the verdict will be, given that the nation is once
>>>> again in uncharted waters. Trump is the first former president to be
>>>> found guilty of a felony � 34 of them, in his case.
>>>>
>>>> Team Trump contends that the outcome has enraged his supporters �
>>>> which is clearly true � and has prompted a surge in fundraising.
>>>> The Trump campaign on Friday claimed that it raised an astronomical
>>>> $34.8 million in less than seven hours after the verdict was
>>>> announced the previous day.
>>>> Conservative commentators are amplifying the former president�s
>>>> claims that he has been on the receiving end of a politically
>>>> motivated prosecution, intended to hobble his chances of winning
>>>> back the White House in November.
>>>>
>>>> But there is an equally plausible narrative that holds the verdict
>>>> could hurt Trump far more than help him. Democrats argue this could
>>>> shift the election in President Biden�s favor.
>>>>
>>>> A criminal conviction for Trump could peel off some of the swing
>>>> voters who might otherwise give him their backing, give pause to
>>>> those who remain undecided and penetrate the consciousness of those
>>>> who are disinclined to follow every twist and turn of politics.
>>>> Even before the verdict was announced, it was clear that some share
>>>> of GOP-
>>>> leaning voters retains qualms about Trump.
>>>>
>>>> Former United Nations Ambassador Nikki Haley has continued to rack
>>>> up votes in a GOP primary from which she withdrew more than two
>>>> months ago. Earlier this month, Haley got around 20 percent of the
>>>> vote in primaries in Indiana, Maryland and Nebraska.
>>>> This non-Trump �protest vote� appears at least as significant as the
>>>> trend of Democrats voting �uncommitted� to register their objections
>>>> to Biden�s policies regarding Israel and Gaza.
>>>>
>>>> On top of that, polls show a broadly similar swath of voters who
>>>> simply don�t buy into Trump�s argument that his conviction is
>>>> evidence that he has been victimized by a sinister, liberal alliance.
>>>>
>>>> An Economist/YouGov poll released Wednesday found, as expected, that
>>>> the overwhelming majority of Republicans (72 percent) view the
>>>> investigations that underpinned Trump�s prosecution as unfair. But
>>>> that still leaves more than 1 in 4 who either see those
>>>> investigations as fair (10 percent) or are not sure whether they
>>>> were fair or unfair (16 percent).
>>>>
>>>> A follow-up poll, released by YouGov on Friday morning, found that
>>>> 10 percent of surveyed Republicans and 27 percent of independents
>>>> said the guilty verdict made them less likely to vote for Trump.
>>>>
>>>> Trump�s defenders would point out that the doubters are far
>>>> outnumbered by people who say the verdict makes no difference to
>>>> their voting intentions � 34 percent of Republicans and 39 percent
>>>> of independents.
>>>>
>>>> But that may be beside the point, given how close November�s
>>>> election is likely to be.
>>>>
>>>> In the polling average maintained by The Hill and Decision Desk HQ,
>>>> Trump leads Biden by only 1.5 percentage points as of Friday
>>>> evening. In the swathe of three battleground states running from
>>>> Pennsylvania through Michigan to Wisconsin, Trump�s advantage is
>>>> also under 2 points.
>>>>
>>>> �Elections are won on the margins,� said progressive strategist
>>>> Jonathan Tasini. �All you have to do is hit a small number of voters
>>>> in maybe half a dozen states, and it�s over.�
>>>>
>>>> Tasini said it was �pretty obvious� that a criminal conviction for
>>>> Trump could have such an impact.
>>>>
>>>> He also argued that the degree to which the guilty verdict energizes
>>>> Trump�s MAGA base could be ultimately irrelevant, since it only
>>>> solidifies votes the former president would have received regardless.
>>>>
>>>> �His base was fired up, conviction or not,� Tasini asserted. �It�s
>>>> hard to see that this [verdict] helps him other than with fundraising.�
>>>>
>>>> There is the nature of the New York case to consider, as well. The
>>>> 34 felony counts of falsifying business records all revolve around a
>>>> $130,000 hush money payment to adult film actress Stormy Daniels.
>>>> The money was intended to prevent Daniels from going public, in the
>>>> final days of the 2016 election campaign, with her story of having
>>>> sex with Trump at a celebrity golf tournament a decade previously.
>>>>
>>>> Lurid allegations involving Trump are hardly a surprise at this
>>>> point. But that doesn�t mean voters want them shoved in their face
>>>> once again.
>>>>
>>>> The nature of the case � and the verdict � is �going to creep into
>>>> the conscience of everybody over the course of time,� said
>>>> Democratic strategist Tad Devine.
>>>> Devine also contended that even Trump�s fiery recitation of
>>>> resentments at a news conference on Friday was an example of the
>>>> kind of behavior that can turn voters off.
>>>>
>>>> �The guy is talking about himself and his grievances nonstop when
>>>> people are dealing with real issues in their lives,� the strategist
>>>> said.
>>>
>>>  From what I've read, Trump's support has never gone above 47%
>>> nationally.
>>>
>>> Dawn
>>
>> then you don't read enough
>
> Do you have another polling source?  If so, state it here.
>
> Dawn

i don't care enough to bother with any of it

Dawn Flood wrote:
> On 6/2/24 7:21 PM, pothead wrote:
> >On 2024-06-02, CaLaVeRa <cv@invalid.org> wrote:
> >> On 6/2/2024 1:45 PM, Trump Is King of The Assholes wrote:
> >>> They could easily be wrong.
> >>
> >> Nope.
> >>
> >> https://pjmedia.com/victoria-taft/2024/06/01/dershowitz-trumps-even-more-screwed-than-he-thinks-n4929526
> >>
> >> One of Trump's attorneys says some of the issues lawyers are concerned
> >> about were preserved and appeals issued. However, Alina Habba told Fox
> >> News host Laura Ingraham that those appeals were under seal and the
> >> lawyers were gagged.
> >
> >As long as Trump's appeals remain in NY following process, he is screwed because the entire system
> >is far left, bought and bribed by big money from the left wingers.
> >
> >Once Trump hits the SCOTUS, he will be exonerated because this entire case is a sham.
>
> Why would SCOTUS review a state court decision that is based upon New York
> state law??

It could be appealed thru the federal system up to the SC
if there were issues WRT federal or constitutional law.
The SC majority does seem willing to carry water for
Trump.

Dawn Flood <Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> wrote in
news:v3j720$3jfch$1@dont-email.me:

> On 6/2/24 7:21 PM, pothead wrote:
>>On 2024-06-02, CaLaVeRa <cv@invalid.org> wrote:
>>> On 6/2/2024 1:45 PM, Trump Is King of The Assholes wrote:
>>>> They could easily be wrong.
>>>
>>> Nope.
>>>
>>> https://pjmedia.com/victoria-taft/2024/06/01/dershowitz-trumps-even-m
>>> ore-screwed-than-he-thinks-n4929526
>>>
>>> One of Trump's attorneys says some of the issues lawyers are
>>> concerned about were preserved and appeals issued. However, Alina
>>> Habba told Fox News host Laura Ingraham that those appeals were
>>> under seal and the lawyers were gagged.
>>
>>As long as Trump's appeals remain in NY following process, he is
>>screwed because the entire system is far left, bought and bribed by
>>big money from the left wingers.
>>
>>Once Trump hits the SCOTUS, he will be exonerated because this entire
>>case is a sham.
>
> Why would SCOTUS review a state court decision that is based upon New
> York
> state law??
>
> Dawn
>

Unless there is a constitutional
violation they won't. And even if they
do the case has to go thru the state
appeals courts and then the federal
appeals courts first.