"Andrew W" <space@defense.com> wrote in
news:v365nn$vr4b$1@dont-email.me:

> "Robert" wrote in message
> news:0001HW.2C03CDBF00083AD330667038F@news.eternal-september.org...
>>
>>On May 26, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
>>(in article <XnsB17E58E3D7CB4629555@185.151.15.190>):
>>
>>> Robert <robert@no.way> wrote in
>>> news:0001HW.2C02E95F0026A45830F47438F@news.eternal-september.org:
>>>
>>> > On May 25, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
>>> > (in article <XnsB17DD16CF5DC4629555@185.151.15.160>):
>>> >
>>> > > Robert <robert@no.way> wrote in
>>> > > news:0001HW.2C02686F00086C1630F47438F@news.eternal-september.org:
>>> > >
>>> > > > On May 25, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
>>> > > > (in article <XnsB17D868A876F629555@185.151.15.190>):
>>> > > >
>>> > > > > Robert <robert@no.way> wrote in
>>> > > > > news:0001HW.2C024E2C0002443930F47438F@news.eternal-september.
>>> > > > > org:
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > > On May 25, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
>>> > > > > > (in article <XnsB17D5438AEAB8629555@185.151.15.190>):
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > God as God is a mass murderer.
>>> > > >
>>> > > > You use the term ‘murderer’ falsely and you know it.
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > Why did he kill the first-born
>>> > > > > children in Egypt? They had done
>>> > > > > nothing to offend him.
>>> > > >
>>> > > > There is a list of things they had done to offend Him, most of
>>> > > > which you know from your past studies.
>>> > >
>>> > > Name them. Name just ONE thing the
>>> > > first born CHILDREN did to offend God.
>>> > > And don't for He killed all the first
>>> > > born animals as well. What had THEY
>>> > > done to offend your god?
>>> >
>>> > They hated their God, they hated the dependents of Abraham and
>>> > Isaac and enslaved them. IOW they mistreated the Chosen People.
>>>
>>> The children - and animals - of Egypt
>>> "hated their God"?
>>
>>The children were taught that just like the children of the Palestines
>>were and are taught to hate the Hebrew.
>>
>
> Children only know what they're taught and are innocent. Why kill
> them?
>

Well, Robert?

>
>>
>>The animals were owned by the families who suffered the same fate, and
>>all the animals of those who did as Moses instructed lived.
>>
>
> Are animals at fault for being owned by the wrong people?
>

Well, Robert?

>
>>
>>They all had the same
>>choice, whether Egyptian or Hebrew.
>>
>
> Did God give animals choice?
>
>

Well, Robert?

>>
>>Just like today, you have the same choice as to follow the Lord or
>>reject him.
>>>
>
> We also have the choice to look into things to see which religions are
> dodgy and selling lies. There are thousands. Why didn't you exercise
> that choice?
>
>
>>
>>> Where does the Bible say THAT?
>>
>>You have the Bible, look it up.

Well, Robert?

>>>
>>>
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > Why did God kill Er? He had
>>> > > > > done nothing wrong.
>>> > > >
>>> > > > “And Er, Judah's firstborn, was wicked in the sight of the
>>> > > > LORD; and the LORD slew him.” (Gen 38:7, KJV)
>>> > >
>>> > > Bingo. What had Er DONE?
>>> >
>>> > Ask God, I just told you the answer. Bingo.
>>>
>>> Evasion noted. What had Er actually DONE?
>>

Well, Robert?

>>Does it matter the specific details? Who are you to second Guess the
>>one who
>>set all things in motion, including you.
>>
>
> Who or what set everything in motion? You have no proper info on that.
> Christianity's claims are completely inevident and often silly. What
> do you do when there are dodgy claims? You investigate, not just
> believe and worship like a robot.
>
>
>>
>>You who has the free will to oppose
>>eternal life and select eternal death as your preferred choice.
>>>
>
>
> No evidence for such claims exist or are rational. You have believed
> without thinking.
>
>
>>>
>>> > > > The same with his brother.
>>> > > >
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > Why did God kill everyone in
>>> > > > > Ye Floode? They broke no "godly"
>>> > > > > rules.
>>> > > >
>>> > > > They were all followers of Satan. Given over to great Evil.
>>> > >
>>> > > The Bible doesn't say that.
>>> > >
>>> > > Don't you read your Bible?
>>> >
>>> > Gen 6:5 (AMPC) The Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great
>>> > in the earth, and that every imagination and intention of all
>>> > human thinking was only evil continually.
>>>
>>> So God killed all humanity for not
>>> obeying the laws he never gave them. And
>>> no chsnce of redemption, no option of
>>> forgiveness.
>>
>>The did have a choice, many of Gods people told and warned the others,
>>they all listened with the exact same interest as you exhibit. Not
>>just you, but your wife, the others who claim to adhere to the
>>religion of atheism.
>>
>>You studied this too, at one time.
>>>
>>>
>>> And as for the "wickedness" of all
>>> the animals he killed, well, maybe you
>>> can explain that one as well.

Well, Robert?

On 1/06/2024 9:27 pm, Andrew W wrote:
> "In the Name of Jesus"  wrote in message
> news:v3ev7c$2o35p$1@dont-email.me...
>>
>> On 1/06/2024 2:11 pm, Andrew W wrote:
>>> "In the Name of Jesus"  wrote in message
>>> news:v3e2p2$2jpnf$3@dont-email.me...
>>>>
>>>> On 1/06/2024 12:35 pm, Andrew W wrote:
>>>>> "In the Name of Jesus"  wrote in message
>>>>> news:v3ds2o$2f00u$4@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 31/05/2024 10:42 pm, Maximus wrote:
>>>>>>> Andrew W wrote:
>>>>>>>> "Creon" wrote in message news:lbnpahFufo0U3@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 29 May 2024 13:03:48 +1000, Andrew W wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "In the Name of Jesus"  wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> news:v35qkq$pb7o$2@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 29/05/2024 9:47 am, Andrew W wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> "In the Name of Jesus"  wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>> news:v33qe2$es30$5@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> God is worthy of worship,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What good has he done?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> but you can worship yourself if you like.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Huh? Why worship anything? You've developed a worship habit.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The Lord's Prayer doesn't have much worship in it -- more like
>>>>>>>>> an acknowledgment, followed by some humble requests.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It's full of self-disempowerment and grovelling. That's what
>>>>>>>> evil wants in order to give the power to itself.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> so true
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You two do realise that you seek to give empowerment to yourselves?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But you can't.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> We all have power.
>>>>
>>>> You haven't got any power.
>>>>
>>>> Try to live and not die.
>>>>
>>>
>>> We are spirits with temp physical bodies, not just bodies. Spirits
>>> are eternal.
>>
>> That is true.
>>
>> But that still does not mean you have power.
>>
>
> You only say that because Christianity is all about self disempowerment.
> And you must know why that is.

Of course. Rather, it is about the disempowerment of the illusion of power.

> Clue: More power for the elites.

God's ways are not man's ways.

>> If you did, you could determine what will happen when you die.
>>
>
> Our spirit does but our physical mind is simply not aware of it. If you
> connect with your spirit then you can determine it. Christianity
> discourages that type of connection for obvious reasons.

No, that is incorrect. It is the empowerment of the spirit, but not in
and of ourselves; it is the real power outside of ourselves. The
Creator's power created the universe, while we, ourselves, can't even
create an ant's leg. We have no power; it is only an illusion.

> Many people are
> already doing it.

Like who? I haven't found any and I have been waiting for a long time.

>>
>>>> But why would a powerful Creator create little creatures to serve and
>>>>> worship him?
>>>>
>>>> You have a choice, and God provided the environment for that free
>>>> choice.
>>>>
>>>
>>> You completely overlook the logic and rationale. You can't answer
>>> questions.
>>
>> If I lack in your eyes, then you are either right or wrong.
>>
>
> Will you ever be able to determine which? You could if you would start
> thinking for yourself and researching true spirituality and metaphysics.

I already know who and what I am.

>
>
>>
>>
>>>>> Christianity makes no sense, unless that god is not so powerful and
>>>>> self centred and just wants servants. If he was all powerful he
>>>>> wouldn't need any.
>>>>
>>>> He doesn't need any.
>>>>
>>>
>>> So why create them? To watch them suffer and die?
>>
>> You seem to have all the answers, why do you need my answer to throw
>> in the bin?
>>
>
> I'm trying to get you to see the true agenda of Christianity.

I already see what Christendom is and for a long time. I went through it
and out the other side and found God.

>> Why did God give you an eternal spirit?
>>
>
> We weren't given a spirit, we are spirits.

No one created their own spirit.

> In other words the body is
> not the person.

Yes, that's right. The hand is just a hand and if you tear it apart you
won't find the person. The same goes for the brain. So, despite all the
"science" to try and learn what we are is a waste of time.

> And spirits are eternal. We have always existed and always will. There
> is no death (except physical).

Our spirits are eternal, but only because we were made in God's image
and He is eternal.

Remember, we have no power in and of ourselves. I'll go one bit further
if you can perceive it: all the glory is His and His alone.

In the Name of Jesus

--
God is God in all His Being.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

On 1/06/2024 10:08 pm, Creon wrote:
> On Sat, 1 Jun 2024 21:04:12 +1000, In the Name of Jesus wrote:
>
>> On 1/06/2024 2:11 pm, Andrew W wrote:
>>> "In the Name of Jesus"  wrote in message
>>> news:v3e2p2$2jpnf$3@dont-email.me...
>>>>
>>>> On 1/06/2024 12:35 pm, Andrew W wrote:
>>>>> "In the Name of Jesus"  wrote in message
>>>>> news:v3ds2o$2f00u$4@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 31/05/2024 10:42 pm, Maximus wrote:
>>>>>>> Andrew W wrote:
>>>>>>>> "Creon" wrote in message news:lbnpahFufo0U3@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 29 May 2024 13:03:48 +1000, Andrew W wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "In the Name of Jesus"  wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> news:v35qkq$pb7o$2@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 29/05/2024 9:47 am, Andrew W wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> "In the Name of Jesus"  wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>> news:v33qe2$es30$5@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 28/05/2024 3:14 pm, Andrew W wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "In the Name of Jesus"  wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:v2u0ch$32fpg$7@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 26/05/2024 10:13 am, Andrew W wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Michael Christ"  wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:v2r2jt$2gpfd$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 24/05/2024 8:59 pm, Maximus wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Rod E." <dx7066801@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:v2oha2$1vb8l$1@dont-email.me:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "I should have no compassion on these witches; I should
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> burn them all." Martin Luther
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      there is more to following the rules than
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      this.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> People
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      must
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      willing to live in peace together or there
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      can be no peace
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      anyone.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       Religions have never been able
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to live in peace together.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so true!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Snapshot of an ignorant fools."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yet more moron sweepings statements.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Man has never been able to live in peace together.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Leave God and those who are truly His out of it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> God is the one who designed human's minds. He did a lousy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> job.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, you don't like your free will choice? Well, you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> certainly seem to be indulging yourself in it!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What free will and choice? Do people choose to be poor,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> persecuted or murdered? People pray to God all their lives
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and what does he do?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> God is not a failure, but you are.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> You are an example of what happens with hero worship cults.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Everyone's bad except your hero god who's done nothing good so
>>>>>>>>>>>> far.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Oh boy, that is going to smart later.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You speak from fear. Fear is a bad alternative to thinking.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> God is worthy of worship,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What good has he done?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> but you can worship yourself if you like.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Huh? Why worship anything? You've developed a worship habit.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The Lord's Prayer doesn't have much worship in it -- more like an
>>>>>>>>> acknowledgment, followed by some humble requests.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It's full of self-disempowerment and grovelling. That's what evil
>>>>>>>> wants in order to give the power to itself.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> so true
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You two do realise that you seek to give empowerment to yourselves?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But you can't.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> We all have power.
>>>>
>>>> You haven't got any power.
>>>>
>>>> Try to live and not die.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> We are spirits with temp physical bodies, not just bodies. Spirits are
>>> eternal.
>>
>> That is true.
>>
>> But that still does not mean you have power.
>>
>> If you did, you could determine what will happen when you die.
>
> In other words, we _don't_ have "free will" -- according to you.
>
> Nice of you to admit that!

On 2/06/2024 3:11 am, % wrote:
> Creon wrote:
>> On Sat, 1 Jun 2024 21:04:12 +1000, In the Name of Jesus wrote:
>>
>>> On 1/06/2024 2:11 pm, Andrew W wrote:
>>>> "In the Name of Jesus"  wrote in message
>>>> news:v3e2p2$2jpnf$3@dont-email.me...
>>>>>
>>>>> On 1/06/2024 12:35 pm, Andrew W wrote:
>>>>>> "In the Name of Jesus"  wrote in message
>>>>>> news:v3ds2o$2f00u$4@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 31/05/2024 10:42 pm, Maximus wrote:
>>>>>>>> Andrew W wrote:
>>>>>>>>> "Creon" wrote in message news:lbnpahFufo0U3@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 29 May 2024 13:03:48 +1000, Andrew W wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "In the Name of Jesus"  wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>> news:v35qkq$pb7o$2@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 29/05/2024 9:47 am, Andrew W wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "In the Name of Jesus"  wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:v33qe2$es30$5@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 28/05/2024 3:14 pm, Andrew W wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "In the Name of Jesus"  wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:v2u0ch$32fpg$7@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 26/05/2024 10:13 am, Andrew W wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Michael Christ"  wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:v2r2jt$2gpfd$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 24/05/2024 8:59 pm, Maximus wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Rod E." <dx7066801@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:v2oha2$1vb8l$1@dont-email.me:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "I should have no compassion on these witches; I should
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> burn them all." Martin Luther
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       there is more to following the rules than
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       this.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> People
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       must
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       willing to live in peace together or there
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       can be no peace
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       anyone.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>        Religions have never been able
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to live in peace together.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so true!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Snapshot of an ignorant fools."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yet more moron sweepings statements.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Man has never been able to live in peace together.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Leave God and those who are truly His out of it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> God is the one who designed human's minds. He did a lousy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> job.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, you don't like your free will choice? Well, you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> certainly seem to be indulging yourself in it!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What free will and choice? Do people choose to be poor,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> persecuted or murdered? People pray to God all their lives
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and what does he do?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> God is not a failure, but you are.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You are an example of what happens with hero worship cults.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Everyone's bad except your hero god who's done nothing good so
>>>>>>>>>>>>> far.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh boy, that is going to smart later.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You speak from fear. Fear is a bad alternative to thinking.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> God is worthy of worship,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> What good has he done?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> but you can worship yourself if you like.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Huh? Why worship anything? You've developed a worship habit.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The Lord's Prayer doesn't have much worship in it -- more like an
>>>>>>>>>> acknowledgment, followed by some humble requests.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It's full of self-disempowerment and grovelling. That's what evil
>>>>>>>>> wants in order to give the power to itself.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> so true
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You two do realise that you seek to give empowerment to yourselves?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But you can't.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> We all have power.
>>>>>
>>>>> You haven't got any power.
>>>>>
>>>>> Try to live and not die.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> We are spirits with temp physical bodies, not just bodies. Spirits are
>>>> eternal.
>>>
>>> That is true.
>>>
>>> But that still does not mean you have power.
>>>
>>> If you did, you could determine what will happen when you die.
>>
>> In other words, we _don't_ have "free will" -- according to you.
>>
>> Nice of you to admit that!
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>> But why would a powerful Creator create little creatures to serve and
>>>>>> worship him?
>>>>>
>>>>> You have a choice, and God provided the environment for that free
>>>>> choice.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> You completely overlook the logic and rationale. You can't answer
>>>> questions.
>>>
>>> If I lack in your eyes, then you are either right or wrong.
>>
>> What kind of hokey "quip" is that supposed to be?
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> Christianity makes no sense, unless that god is not so powerful and
>>>>>> self centred and just wants servants. If he was all powerful he
>>>>>> wouldn't need any.
>>>>>
>>>>> He doesn't need any.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> So why create them? To watch them suffer and die?
>>>
>>> You seem to have all the answers, why do you need my answer to throw in
>>> the bin?
>>>
>>> Why did God give you an eternal spirit?
>>
>> Do you deny the power of God to save _every person_?
>>
>> Why would you place limits on the salvific powers of God Almighty?
>>
> he might help you get things right

Andrew W wrote:
> "In the Name of Jesus"  wrote in message
> news:v3ds2o$2f00u$4@dont-email.me...
>>
>> On 31/05/2024 10:42 pm, Maximus wrote:
>>> Andrew W wrote:
>>>> "Creon" wrote in message news:lbnpahFufo0U3@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 29 May 2024 13:03:48 +1000, Andrew W wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "In the Name of Jesus"  wrote in message
>>>>>> news:v35qkq$pb7o$2@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 29/05/2024 9:47 am, Andrew W wrote:
>>>>>>>> "In the Name of Jesus"  wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:v33qe2$es30$5@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 28/05/2024 3:14 pm, Andrew W wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> "In the Name of Jesus" wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> news:v2u0ch$32fpg$7@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 26/05/2024 10:13 am, Andrew W wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Michael Christ" wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>> news:v2r2jt$2gpfd$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 24/05/2024 8:59 pm, Maximus wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Rod E." <dx7066801@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:v2oha2$1vb8l$1@dont-email.me:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "I should have no compassion on these witches; I should
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> burn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them all." Martin Luther
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      there is more to following the rules than this.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> People
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      must
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      willing to live in peace together or there can be no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      peace
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      anyone.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       Religions have never been able
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to live in peace together.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so true!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Snapshot of an ignorant fools."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yet more moron sweepings statements.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Man has never been able to live in peace together.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Leave God and those who are truly His out of it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> God is the one who designed human's minds. He did a lousy job.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> So, you don't like your free will choice? Well, you
>>>>>>>>>>> certainly seem
>>>>>>>>>>> to be indulging yourself in it!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What free will and choice? Do people choose to be poor,
>>>>>>>>>> persecuted
>>>>>>>>>> or murdered? People pray to God all their lives and what does
>>>>>>>>>> he do?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> God is not a failure, but you are.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You are an example of what happens with hero worship cults.
>>>>>>>> Everyone's
>>>>>>>> bad except your hero god who's done nothing good so far.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Oh boy, that is going to smart later.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> You speak from fear. Fear is a bad alternative to thinking.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> God is worthy of worship,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What good has he done?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> but you can worship yourself if you like.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Huh? Why worship anything? You've developed a worship habit.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Lord's Prayer doesn't have much worship in it -- more like
>>>>> an acknowledgment, followed by some humble requests.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It's full of self-disempowerment and grovelling. That's what evil
>>>> wants in order to give the power to itself.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> so true
>>
>> You two do realise that you seek to give empowerment to yourselves?
>>
>> But you can't.
>>
>
> We all have power.
> But why would a powerful Creator create little creatures to serve and
> worship him?
> Christianity makes no sense, unless that god is not so powerful and
> self centred and just wants servants. If he was all powerful he
> wouldn't need any.
>
>

After creating the world, God (It) got bored, so It created Adam and Eve
for it's amusement. but it all went wrong when Eve ate an apple because
a talking snake beguiled her. so It got totally pissed off, and cursed
them, and their descendants forever, with death and hellfire. eventually
tho It got bored again, and decided to start again. So It drowned all
living things on earth in a big flood, except one family It crowded into
a big boat with every creature on the planet. when the floods subsided
the boats inhabitants repopulated the earth. eventually tho, It became
remorseful, and thought maybe I'm being too unkind sending everyone to
hell? so It devised a plan. I know, It thought, I'll make a son and then
kill him. anyone who becomes his slave I won't chuck into hell. I'll let
them hang out here in heaven with me, and they can praise and adore me
for all eternity.

I don't know what the problem is. it all makes perfect sense to me. :)

--
“Atheism is the birth right of all human, remember that!”- hhyapster 7.4.23

"Christian beliefs fail against reason, facts, and knowledge"

"Religion is not about truth, it's about lifestyle"

"God is a convenient explanation for what man does not understand.
The less that's inexplicable, the less need for a 'God' explanation."

"The problem with theism is that it never remains within
the realm of belief, but invariably proceeds to assertion"

Andrew W wrote:
> "In the Name of Jesus"  wrote in message
> news:v3e2p2$2jpnf$3@dont-email.me...
>>
>> On 1/06/2024 12:35 pm, Andrew W wrote:
>>> "In the Name of Jesus"  wrote in message
>>> news:v3ds2o$2f00u$4@dont-email.me...
>>>>
>>>> On 31/05/2024 10:42 pm, Maximus wrote:
>>>>> Andrew W wrote:
>>>>>> "Creon" wrote in message news:lbnpahFufo0U3@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, 29 May 2024 13:03:48 +1000, Andrew W wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "In the Name of Jesus"  wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:v35qkq$pb7o$2@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 29/05/2024 9:47 am, Andrew W wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> "In the Name of Jesus" wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> news:v33qe2$es30$5@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 28/05/2024 3:14 pm, Andrew W wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> "In the Name of Jesus"  wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>> news:v2u0ch$32fpg$7@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 26/05/2024 10:13 am, Andrew W wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Michael Christ" wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:v2r2jt$2gpfd$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 24/05/2024 8:59 pm, Maximus wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Rod E." <dx7066801@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:v2oha2$1vb8l$1@dont-email.me:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "I should have no compassion on these witches; I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should burn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them all." Martin Luther
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      there is more to following the rules than this.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> People
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      must
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      willing to live in peace together or there can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      peace
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      anyone.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       Religions have never been able
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to live in peace together.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so true!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Snapshot of an ignorant fools."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yet more moron sweepings statements.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Man has never been able to live in peace together.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Leave God and those who are truly His out of it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> God is the one who designed human's minds. He did a lousy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> job.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, you don't like your free will choice? Well, you
>>>>>>>>>>>>> certainly seem
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be indulging yourself in it!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> What free will and choice? Do people choose to be poor,
>>>>>>>>>>>> persecuted
>>>>>>>>>>>> or murdered? People pray to God all their lives and what
>>>>>>>>>>>> does he do?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> God is not a failure, but you are.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You are an example of what happens with hero worship cults.
>>>>>>>>>> Everyone's
>>>>>>>>>> bad except your hero god who's done nothing good so far.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Oh boy, that is going to smart later.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You speak from fear. Fear is a bad alternative to thinking.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> God is worthy of worship,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What good has he done?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> but you can worship yourself if you like.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Huh? Why worship anything? You've developed a worship habit.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Lord's Prayer doesn't have much worship in it -- more like
>>>>>>> an acknowledgment, followed by some humble requests.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's full of self-disempowerment and grovelling. That's what evil
>>>>>> wants in order to give the power to itself.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> so true
>>>>
>>>> You two do realise that you seek to give empowerment to yourselves?
>>>>
>>>> But you can't.
>>>>
>>>
>>> We all have power.
>>
>> You haven't got any power.
>>
>> Try to live and not die.
>>
>
> We are spirits with temp physical bodies, not just bodies. Spirits are
> eternal.
>
>
>>
>>> But why would a powerful Creator create little creatures to serve
>>> and worship him?
>>
>> You have a choice, and God provided the environment for that free
>> choice.
>>
>
> You completely overlook the logic and rationale. You can't answer
> questions.
>
>
>>
>>> Christianity makes no sense, unless that god is not so powerful and
>>> self centred and just wants servants. If he was all powerful he
>>> wouldn't need any.
>>
>> He doesn't need any.
>>
>
> So why create them? To watch them suffer and die?
>
>
>

apparently God enjoys mankind's suffering since it's a product of his
creation and he does nothing to prevent it. it's all up to our own
efforts to improve our situation. fortunately there are many wonderful
ppl in this world dedicated to doing just that.

In the Name of Jesus wrote:
> On 1/06/2024 2:11 pm, Andrew W wrote:
>> "In the Name of Jesus"  wrote in message
>> news:v3e2p2$2jpnf$3@dont-email.me...
>>>
>>> On 1/06/2024 12:35 pm, Andrew W wrote:
>>>> "In the Name of Jesus"  wrote in message
>>>> news:v3ds2o$2f00u$4@dont-email.me...
>>>>>
>>>>> On 31/05/2024 10:42 pm, Maximus wrote:
>>>>>> Andrew W wrote:
>>>>>>> "Creon" wrote in message news:lbnpahFufo0U3@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 29 May 2024 13:03:48 +1000, Andrew W wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "In the Name of Jesus" wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:v35qkq$pb7o$2@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 29/05/2024 9:47 am, Andrew W wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> "In the Name of Jesus" wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>> news:v33qe2$es30$5@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 28/05/2024 3:14 pm, Andrew W wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "In the Name of Jesus"  wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:v2u0ch$32fpg$7@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 26/05/2024 10:13 am, Andrew W wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Michael Christ"  wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:v2r2jt$2gpfd$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 24/05/2024 8:59 pm, Maximus wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Rod E." <dx7066801@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:v2oha2$1vb8l$1@dont-email.me:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "I should have no compassion on these witches; I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should burn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them all." Martin Luther
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      there is more to following the rules than this.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> People
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      must
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      willing to live in peace together or there can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      peace
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      anyone.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       Religions have never been able
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to live in peace together.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so true!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Snapshot of an ignorant fools."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yet more moron sweepings statements.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Man has never been able to live in peace together.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Leave God and those who are truly His out of it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> God is the one who designed human's minds. He did a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lousy job.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, you don't like your free will choice? Well, you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> certainly seem
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be indulging yourself in it!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> What free will and choice? Do people choose to be poor,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> persecuted
>>>>>>>>>>>>> or murdered? People pray to God all their lives and what
>>>>>>>>>>>>> does he do?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> God is not a failure, but you are.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You are an example of what happens with hero worship cults.
>>>>>>>>>>> Everyone's
>>>>>>>>>>> bad except your hero god who's done nothing good so far.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Oh boy, that is going to smart later.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You speak from fear. Fear is a bad alternative to thinking.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> God is worthy of worship,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What good has he done?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> but you can worship yourself if you like.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Huh? Why worship anything? You've developed a worship habit.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The Lord's Prayer doesn't have much worship in it -- more like
>>>>>>>> an acknowledgment, followed by some humble requests.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's full of self-disempowerment and grovelling. That's what
>>>>>>> evil wants in order to give the power to itself.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> so true
>>>>>
>>>>> You two do realise that you seek to give empowerment to yourselves?
>>>>>
>>>>> But you can't.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> We all have power.
>>>
>>> You haven't got any power.
>>>
>>> Try to live and not die.
>>>
>>
>> We are spirits with temp physical bodies, not just bodies. Spirits
>> are eternal.
>
> That is true.
>
> But that still does not mean you have power.
>
> If you did, you could determine what will happen when you die.

nothing happens when we die

>
>
>>> But why would a powerful Creator create little creatures to serve and
>>>> worship him?
>>>
>>> You have a choice, and God provided the environment for that free
>>> choice.
>>>
>>
>> You completely overlook the logic and rationale. You can't answer
>> questions.
>
> If I lack in your eyes, then you are either right or wrong.
>
>
>
>>>> Christianity makes no sense, unless that god is not so powerful and
>>>> self centred and just wants servants. If he was all powerful he
>>>> wouldn't need any.
>>>
>>> He doesn't need any.
>>>
>>
>> So why create them? To watch them suffer and die?
>
> You seem to have all the answers, why do you need my answer to throw
> in the bin?
>
> Why did God give you an eternal spirit?
>
>
>

Andrew W wrote:
> "In the Name of Jesus"  wrote in message
> news:v3ev7c$2o35p$1@dont-email.me...
>>
>> On 1/06/2024 2:11 pm, Andrew W wrote:
>>> "In the Name of Jesus"  wrote in message
>>> news:v3e2p2$2jpnf$3@dont-email.me...
>>>>
>>>> On 1/06/2024 12:35 pm, Andrew W wrote:
>>>>> "In the Name of Jesus"  wrote in message
>>>>> news:v3ds2o$2f00u$4@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 31/05/2024 10:42 pm, Maximus wrote:
>>>>>>> Andrew W wrote:
>>>>>>>> "Creon" wrote in message news:lbnpahFufo0U3@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 29 May 2024 13:03:48 +1000, Andrew W wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "In the Name of Jesus" wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> news:v35qkq$pb7o$2@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 29/05/2024 9:47 am, Andrew W wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> "In the Name of Jesus"  wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>> news:v33qe2$es30$5@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> God is worthy of worship,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What good has he done?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> but you can worship yourself if you like.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Huh? Why worship anything? You've developed a worship habit.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The Lord's Prayer doesn't have much worship in it -- more like
>>>>>>>>> an acknowledgment, followed by some humble requests.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It's full of self-disempowerment and grovelling. That's what
>>>>>>>> evil wants in order to give the power to itself.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> so true
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You two do realise that you seek to give empowerment to yourselves?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But you can't.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> We all have power.
>>>>
>>>> You haven't got any power.
>>>>
>>>> Try to live and not die.
>>>>
>>>
>>> We are spirits with temp physical bodies, not just bodies. Spirits
>>> are eternal.
>>
>> That is true.
>>
>> But that still does not mean you have power.
>>
>
> You only say that because Christianity is all about self
> disempowerment. And you must know why that is. Clue: More power for
> the elites.
>
>
>>
>> If you did, you could determine what will happen when you die.
>>
>
> Our spirit does but our physical mind is simply not aware of it. If
> you connect with your spirit then you can determine it. Christianity
> discourages that type of connection for obvious reasons. Many people
> are already doing it.
>
>
>>
>>>> But why would a powerful Creator create little creatures to serve and
>>>>> worship him?
>>>>
>>>> You have a choice, and God provided the environment for that free
>>>> choice.
>>>>
>>>
>>> You completely overlook the logic and rationale. You can't answer
>>> questions.
>>
>> If I lack in your eyes, then you are either right or wrong.
>>
>
> Will you ever be able to determine which? You could if you would start
> thinking for yourself and researching true spirituality and metaphysics.
>
>
>>
>>
>>>>> Christianity makes no sense, unless that god is not so powerful
>>>>> and self centred and just wants servants. If he was all powerful
>>>>> he wouldn't need any.
>>>>
>>>> He doesn't need any.
>>>>
>>>
>>> So why create them? To watch them suffer and die?
>>
>> You seem to have all the answers, why do you need my answer to throw
>> in the bin?
>>
>
> I'm trying to get you to see the true agenda of Christianity.

the agenda has always been the same.. power over us. right from the very
beginning, with Christ wanting people to obey and serve him.

>
>
>>
>> Why did God give you an eternal spirit?
>>
>
> We weren't given a spirit, we are spirits. In other words the body is
> not the person.
> And spirits are eternal. We have always existed and always will. There
> is no death (except physical).
>
>
>

so what happens to these spirits when we die?

--
“Atheism is the birth right of all human, remember that!”- hhyapster 7.4.23

"Christian beliefs fail against reason, facts, and knowledge"

"Religion is not about truth, it's about lifestyle"

"God is a convenient explanation for what man does not understand.
The less that's inexplicable, the less need for a 'God' explanation."

"The problem with theism is that it never remains within
the realm of belief, but invariably proceeds to assertion"

Maximus wrote:
> In the Name of Jesus wrote:
> > On 1/06/2024 2:11 pm, Andrew W wrote:
> >> "In the Name of Jesus"  wrote in message
> >>> On 1/06/2024 12:35 pm, Andrew W wrote:
....
> >>>> Christianity makes no sense, unless that god is not so powerful and
> >>>> self centred and just wants servants. If he was all powerful he
> >>>> wouldn't need any.
> >>>
> >>> He doesn't need any.
> >>>
> >>
> >> So why create them? To watch them suffer and die?
> >
> > You seem to have all the answers, why do you need my answer to throw
> > in the bin?
> >
> > Why did God give you an eternal spirit?
>
> we don't have an eternal spirit

You don't have an eternal spirit. Mere mortals dont have
eternal spirits. But MX is christ, and He has legions of
eternal spirits. He can give you one if you ask nicely.

"Since I am probably going to have to judge every person
that has ever spoken to me, how do you think I should
judge you?" ——"Michael Christ"

"I am God." ——"Michael Christ", in
Message-ID: <u3ksrk$1fm8m$1@dont-email.me>

On 2/06/2024 4:50 pm, El Kabong wrote:
> Maximus wrote:
>> In the Name of Jesus wrote:
>>> On 1/06/2024 2:11 pm, Andrew W wrote:
>>>> "In the Name of Jesus"  wrote in message
>>>>> On 1/06/2024 12:35 pm, Andrew W wrote:
> ...
>>>>>> Christianity makes no sense, unless that god is not so powerful and
>>>>>> self centred and just wants servants. If he was all powerful he
>>>>>> wouldn't need any.
>>>>>
>>>>> He doesn't need any.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So why create them? To watch them suffer and die?
>>>
>>> You seem to have all the answers, why do you need my answer to throw
>>> in the bin?
>>>
>>> Why did God give you an eternal spirit?
>>
>> we don't have an eternal spirit
>
> You don't have an eternal spirit.

Everyone has an eternal spirit. No human being missed out, not even you
two cowboys on a faraway prairie chewing on grass and picking your
noses. However, monkeys—not so much.

Anyone would think you two thought everything just happened by itself?
However, you both know that is absolute nonsense.

Pay attention now: you are vulnerable, needy-spirited people. There is
nothing wrong with that; we all are, but the Lord knows how to take that
lost lonely solitary-confinement condition and turn you into strong and
courageously fulfilled men who are vulnerable, needy-spirited people who
have a home and a real family.

You can't hide who you are with nonsense talk, denial, and empty,
sweeping superficial 'trying to be clever' speak. I can see you.

Hey, we are what we are, but we can be so much more.

It is your life, though. Your choice, but a certain celebrity Lord you
know about gave up a herculean lot and made a huge sacrifice to give you
that choice.

In the Name of Jesus

Mere mortals dont have
> eternal spirits. But MX is christ, and He has legions of
> eternal spirits. He can give you one if you ask nicely.
>
>
> "Since I am probably going to have to judge every person
> that has ever spoken to me, how do you think I should
> judge you?" ——"Michael Christ"
>
> "I am God." ——"Michael Christ", in
> Message-ID: <u3ksrk$1fm8m$1@dont-email.me>

--
God is God in all His Being.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that a sinner could play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: A man full of bluster and bullshit
pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

What does a fool do? A fool looks for a "nothing" in a "something" in
order to explain the existence of existence.

"Unless you do all because He is who He is, all your religion is in vain."

"Every man is subject to God; He judges every man, and He is reality.
 What a gift in a fallen world!"

"Love MUST be a choice or it is nothing but a law!"

"Why were all men born sinners? So that God could reveal Himself, so
that we would behold the glory of God, and that we should bring forth
the glory of God"

"God does not and will not arbitrate for any man to love Him! If God
isn't everything to you, He is nothing to you where the rubber meets the
road."

"It is the unforgivable sin not to love God with all your heart, soul,
and mind. What do you have that is lasting? It is not so much being
punished; it is what you are left with."

"Love isn't worth anything without first a free will choice for God to
birth it in a man."

"The point of salvation: desperation. Anything less than that is
self-righteousness."

"A sinner is not a believer in God; a sinner is a believer in sin."

"A piece of dirt is not the promised land; that is only a reflection.
The promised land is knowing Me, says the Lord."

"It is all about God or it is all about idolatry."

"The Lord Jesus is coming soon. He has always come soon."

"There is no revolving door of self-worship in a son of God's life!"

"There is no such thing as random!"

"You can't truly love without it being with all your heart."

"No one can see God without their whole heart. Unless you can see God,
you know nothing."

"You can't learn God, God has to reveal Himself to you."

"No sinner is sinless in any way."

"Only God is life; only the Kingdom of God of His "Nature" is life."

"What you believe is just a leaning on your own understanding; faith is
a leaning on the one you have chosen to trust."

"God uses the "letter" to crucify a man and raise him from the dead."

"Not fearing God is sheer stupidity for sinners."

"Self-righteousness is any exclusion of God in your heart, because any
exclusion reveals that you think more about yourself than what you
really are."

"Maximus" wrote in message news:lc2fdhFe039U2@mid.individual.net...

> nothing happens when we die

No, you must face the Judgment.

"It is appointed unto men once to
die, but after this the Judgment"
~ Hebrews 9:27

God has offered to pay all of your
debt Himself. But since you have
rejected His offer, you will pay in
full ~ yourself.

Your destiny:

"Then said the king to the servants,
‘Bind him hand and foot and take
him away, and cast him into outer
darkness: there shall be weeping
and gnashing of teeth.’"
~ Matthew 22:13

On 2/06/2024 8:40 pm, Andrew wrote:
> "Maximus" wrote in message news:lc2fdhFe039U2@mid.individual.net...
>
>> nothing happens when we die
>
> No, you must face the Judgment.
>
> "It is appointed unto men once to
> die, but after this the Judgment"
>            ~ Hebrews 9:27
>
> God has offered to pay all of your
> debt Himself. But since you have
> rejected His offer, you will pay in
> full ~ yourself.
>
> Your destiny:
>
> "Then said the king to the servants,
> ‘Bind him hand and foot and take
> him away, and cast him into outer
> darkness: there shall be weeping
> and gnashing of teeth.’"
>            ~ Matthew 22:13

Unless you can offer the love of God what is it worth if you were to
quote all the bible?

In the Name of Jesus

--
God is God in all His Being.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that a sinner could play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: A man full of bluster and bullshit
pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

What does a fool do? A fool looks for a "nothing" in a "something" in
order to explain the existence of existence.

"Unless you do all because He is who He is, all your religion is in vain."

"Every man is subject to God; He judges every man, and He is reality.
 What a gift in a fallen world!"

"Love MUST be a choice or it is nothing but a law!"

"Why were all men born sinners? So that God could reveal Himself, so
that we would behold the glory of God, and that we should bring forth
the glory of God"

"God does not and will not arbitrate for any man to love Him! If God
isn't everything to you, He is nothing to you where the rubber meets the
road."

"It is the unforgivable sin not to love God with all your heart, soul,
and mind. What do you have that is lasting? It is not so much being
punished; it is what you are left with."

"Love isn't worth anything without first a free will choice for God to
birth it in a man."

"The point of salvation: desperation. Anything less than that is
self-righteousness."

"A sinner is not a believer in God; a sinner is a believer in sin."

"A piece of dirt is not the promised land; that is only a reflection.
The promised land is knowing Me, says the Lord."

"It is all about God or it is all about idolatry."

"The Lord Jesus is coming soon. He has always come soon."

"There is no revolving door of self-worship in a son of God's life!"

"There is no such thing as random!"

"You can't truly love without it being with all your heart."

"No one can see God without their whole heart. Unless you can see God,
you know nothing."

"You can't learn God, God has to reveal Himself to you."

"No sinner is sinless in any way."

"Only God is life; only the Kingdom of God of His "Nature" is life."

"What you believe is just a leaning on your own understanding; faith is
a leaning on the one you have chosen to trust."

"God uses the "letter" to crucify a man and raise him from the dead."

"Not fearing God is sheer stupidity for sinners."

"Self-righteousness is any exclusion of God in your heart, because any
exclusion reveals that you think more about yourself than what you
really are."

"Atheism: "The claim that life received from itself."

"But remember this: always, absolutely always, all the glory is the
Lord's and His alone, and anyone who takes any credit for anything, you
know, instantly, he is not what he pretends to be and is a false prophet."

"That light had to bear (bears all things) the darkness for us, but that
light did not ever become darkness."

"Maximus" wrote in message news:lc2fjsFe13sU1@mid.individual.net...
>
>Andrew W wrote:
>> "In the Name of Jesus" wrote in message
>> news:v3ev7c$2o35p$1@dont-email.me...
>>>
>>> On 1/06/2024 2:11 pm, Andrew W wrote:
>>>> "In the Name of Jesus" wrote in message
>>>> news:v3e2p2$2jpnf$3@dont-email.me...
>>>>>
>>>>> On 1/06/2024 12:35 pm, Andrew W wrote:
>>>>>> "In the Name of Jesus" wrote in message
>>>>>> news:v3ds2o$2f00u$4@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 31/05/2024 10:42 pm, Maximus wrote:
>>>>>>>> Andrew W wrote:
>>>>>>>>> "Creon" wrote in message news:lbnpahFufo0U3@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 29 May 2024 13:03:48 +1000, Andrew W wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "In the Name of Jesus" wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>> news:v35qkq$pb7o$2@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 29/05/2024 9:47 am, Andrew W wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "In the Name of Jesus" wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:v33qe2$es30$5@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> God is worthy of worship,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> What good has he done?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> but you can worship yourself if you like.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Huh? Why worship anything? You've developed a worship habit.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The Lord's Prayer doesn't have much worship in it -- more like
>>>>>>>>>> an acknowledgment, followed by some humble requests.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It's full of self-disempowerment and grovelling. That's what evil
>>>>>>>>> wants in order to give the power to itself.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> so true
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You two do realise that you seek to give empowerment to yourselves?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But you can't.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We all have power.
>>>>>
>>>>> You haven't got any power.
>>>>>
>>>>> Try to live and not die.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> We are spirits with temp physical bodies, not just bodies. Spirits are
>>>> eternal.
>>>
>>> That is true.
>>>
>>> But that still does not mean you have power.
>>>
>>
>> You only say that because Christianity is all about self disempowerment.
>> And you must know why that is. Clue: More power for the elites.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> If you did, you could determine what will happen when you die.
>>>
>>
>> Our spirit does but our physical mind is simply not aware of it. If you
>> connect with your spirit then you can determine it. Christianity
>> discourages that type of connection for obvious reasons. Many people are
>> already doing it.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>>> But why would a powerful Creator create little creatures to serve and
>>>>>> worship him?
>>>>>
>>>>> You have a choice, and God provided the environment for that free
>>>>> choice.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You completely overlook the logic and rationale. You can't answer
>>>> questions.
>>>
>>> If I lack in your eyes, then you are either right or wrong.
>>>
>>
>> Will you ever be able to determine which? You could if you would start
>> thinking for yourself and researching true spirituality and metaphysics.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> Christianity makes no sense, unless that god is not so powerful and
>>>>>> self centred and just wants servants. If he was all powerful he
>>>>>> wouldn't need any.
>>>>>
>>>>> He doesn't need any.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So why create them? To watch them suffer and die?
>>>
>>> You seem to have all the answers, why do you need my answer to throw in
>>> the bin?
>>>
>>
>> I'm trying to get you to see the true agenda of Christianity.
>
>the agenda has always been the same.. power over us. right from the very
>beginning, with Christ wanting people to obey and serve him.
>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Why did God give you an eternal spirit?
>>>
>>
>> We weren't given a spirit, we are spirits. In other words the body is not
>> the person.
>> And spirits are eternal. We have always existed and always will. There is
>> no death (except physical).
>>
>>
>>
>
>so what happens to these spirits when we die?
>

They go to the spirit dimension to experience other things or they
reincarnate on earth.

--
Definition of an idiot/ignoramus: Someone who gets their information from
the mainstream media and calls it facts and evidence.

http://www.rumormillnews.com - The best alternative news site

In article <lc2fjsFe13sU1@mid.individual.net>,
Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> wrote:
>Andrew W wrote:
>> "In the Name of Jesus"  wrote in message
>> news:v3ev7c$2o35p$1@dont-email.me...
>>>
>>> On 1/06/2024 2:11 pm, Andrew W wrote:
>>>> "In the Name of Jesus"  wrote in message
>>>> news:v3e2p2$2jpnf$3@dont-email.me...
>>>>>
>>>>> On 1/06/2024 12:35 pm, Andrew W wrote:
>>>>>> "In the Name of Jesus"  wrote in message
>>>>>> news:v3ds2o$2f00u$4@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 31/05/2024 10:42 pm, Maximus wrote:
>>>>>>>> Andrew W wrote:
>>>>>>>>> "Creon" wrote in message news:lbnpahFufo0U3@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 29 May 2024 13:03:48 +1000, Andrew W wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "In the Name of Jesus" wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>> news:v35qkq$pb7o$2@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 29/05/2024 9:47 am, Andrew W wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "In the Name of Jesus"  wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:v33qe2$es30$5@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> God is worthy of worship,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> What good has he done?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> but you can worship yourself if you like.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Huh? Why worship anything? You've developed a worship habit.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The Lord's Prayer doesn't have much worship in it -- more like
>>>>>>>>>> an acknowledgment, followed by some humble requests.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It's full of self-disempowerment and grovelling. That's what
>>>>>>>>> evil wants in order to give the power to itself.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> so true
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You two do realise that you seek to give empowerment to yourselves?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But you can't.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We all have power.
>>>>>
>>>>> You haven't got any power.
>>>>>
>>>>> Try to live and not die.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> We are spirits with temp physical bodies, not just bodies. Spirits
>>>> are eternal.
>>>
>>> That is true.
>>>
>>> But that still does not mean you have power.
>>>
>>
>> You only say that because Christianity is all about self
>> disempowerment. And you must know why that is. Clue: More power for
>> the elites.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> If you did, you could determine what will happen when you die.
>>>
>>
>> Our spirit does but our physical mind is simply not aware of it. If
>> you connect with your spirit then you can determine it. Christianity
>> discourages that type of connection for obvious reasons. Many people
>> are already doing it.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>>> But why would a powerful Creator create little creatures to serve and
>>>>>> worship him?
>>>>>
>>>>> You have a choice, and God provided the environment for that free
>>>>> choice.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You completely overlook the logic and rationale. You can't answer
>>>> questions.
>>>
>>> If I lack in your eyes, then you are either right or wrong.
>>>
>>
>> Will you ever be able to determine which? You could if you would start
>> thinking for yourself and researching true spirituality and metaphysics.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> Christianity makes no sense, unless that god is not so powerful
>>>>>> and self centred and just wants servants. If he was all powerful
>>>>>> he wouldn't need any.
>>>>>
>>>>> He doesn't need any.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So why create them? To watch them suffer and die?
>>>
>>> You seem to have all the answers, why do you need my answer to throw
>>> in the bin?
>>>
>>
>> I'm trying to get you to see the true agenda of Christianity.
>
>the agenda has always been the same.. power over us. right from the very
>beginning, with Christ wanting people to obey and serve him.
>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Why did God give you an eternal spirit?
>>>
>>
>> We weren't given a spirit, we are spirits. In other words the body is
>> not the person.
>> And spirits are eternal. We have always existed and always will. There
>> is no death (except physical).
>>
>>
>>
>
>so what happens to these spirits when we die?
>
>--
>“Atheism is the birth right of all human, remember that!”- hhyapster 7.4.23
>

Deluded liar!

>"Christian beliefs fail against reason, facts, and knowledge"
>

Liar!

>"Religion is not about truth, it's about lifestyle"

Atheism holds 0 ounce of truth

>
>"God is a convenient explanation for what man does not understand.
>The less that's inexplicable, the less need for a 'God' explanation."
>

Then look at how impropable Evolution is.

>"The problem with theism is that it never remains within
>the realm of belief, but invariably proceeds to assertion"
>

The assertion of truth and reality.
--
Member - Liberal International This is doctor@nk.ca Ici doctor@nk.ca
Yahweh, King & country!Never Satan President Republic!Beware AntiChrist rising!
Look at Psalms 14 and 53 on Atheism ;
United Kingdom save the NAtion on 4 July 2024 vote Liberal Democrat

In article <C_X6O.153075$gxa1.126867@fx15.ams4>,
Andrew <andrew.321.remov@usa.net> wrote:
>"Maximus" wrote in message news:lc2fdhFe039U2@mid.individual.net...
>
>> nothing happens when we die
>
>No, you must face the Judgment.
>
>"It is appointed unto men once to
> die, but after this the Judgment"
> ~ Hebrews 9:27
>
>God has offered to pay all of your
>debt Himself. But since you have
>rejected His offer, you will pay in
>full ~ yourself.
>
>Your destiny:
>
>"Then said the king to the servants,
>‘Bind him hand and foot and take
> him away, and cast him into outer
> darkness: there shall be weeping
> and gnashing of teeth.’"
> ~ Matthew 22:13
>

Amen! The Truth!!
--
Member - Liberal International This is doctor@nk.ca Ici doctor@nk.ca
Yahweh, King & country!Never Satan President Republic!Beware AntiChrist rising!
Look at Psalms 14 and 53 on Atheism ;
United Kingdom save the NAtion on 4 July 2024 vote Liberal Democrat

On Sun, 2 Jun 2024 03:40:56 -0700, Andrew wrote:

> "Maximus" wrote in message news:lc2fdhFe039U2@mid.individual.net...
>
>> nothing happens when we die

When people tell me there's no evidence for consciousness after
death, I point out there isn't evidence for consciousness among
the living, either.

How do you know I exist except as a figment of your imagination, hmmm?

>
> No, you must face the Judgment.
>
> "It is appointed unto men once to
> die, but after this the Judgment"
> ~ Hebrews 9:27

Saul of Tarsus was very unreliable about such matters.

--
-c

On Sun, 2 Jun 2024 20:38:44 +1000, In the Name of Jesus wrote:

> It is your life, though. Your choice, but a certain celebrity Lord you
> know about gave up a herculean lot and made a huge sacrifice to give you
> that choice.

Funny you should mention Hercules -- he was deified, too.

--
-c

Creon wrote:
> On Sun, 2 Jun 2024 03:40:56 -0700, Andrew wrote:
>
>> "Maximus" wrote in message news:lc2fdhFe039U2@mid.individual.net...
>>
>>> nothing happens when we die
>
> When people tell me there's no evidence for consciousness after
> death, I point out there isn't evidence for consciousness among
> the living, either.
>
> How do you know I exist except as a figment of your imagination, hmmm?
>
>>
>> No, you must face the Judgment.
>>
>> "It is appointed unto men once to
>> die, but after this the Judgment"
>> ~ Hebrews 9:27
>
> Saul of Tarsus was very unreliable about such matters.
>
you have to be real ,
my imagination wouldn't do this to me

Creon wrote:
> On Sun, 2 Jun 2024 20:38:44 +1000, In the Name of Jesus wrote:
>
>> It is your life, though. Your choice, but a certain celebrity Lord you
>> know about gave up a herculean lot and made a huge sacrifice to give you
>> that choice.
>
> Funny you should mention Hercules -- he was deified, too.
>
that was samson

On 3/06/2024 9:44 am, Creon wrote:
> On Sun, 2 Jun 2024 20:38:44 +1000, In the Name of Jesus wrote:
>
>> It is your life, though. Your choice, but a certain celebrity Lord you
>> know about gave up a herculean lot and made a huge sacrifice to give you
>> that choice.
>
> Funny you should mention Hercules -- he was deified, too.

Well, that is your choice.

In the Name of Jesus

--
God is God in all His Being.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that a sinner could play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: A man full of bluster and bullshit
pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

What does a fool do? A fool looks for a "nothing" in a "something" in
order to explain the existence of existence.

"Unless you do all because He is who He is, all your religion is in vain."

"Every man is subject to God; He judges every man, and He is reality.
 What a gift in a fallen world!"

"Love MUST be a choice or it is nothing but a law!"

"Why were all men born sinners? So that God could reveal Himself, so
that we would behold the glory of God, and that we should bring forth
the glory of God"

"God does not and will not arbitrate for any man to love Him! If God
isn't everything to you, He is nothing to you where the rubber meets the
road."

"It is the unforgivable sin not to love God with all your heart, soul,
and mind. What do you have that is lasting? It is not so much being
punished; it is what you are left with."

"Love isn't worth anything without first a free will choice for God to
birth it in a man."

"The point of salvation: desperation. Anything less than that is
self-righteousness."

"A sinner is not a believer in God; a sinner is a believer in sin."

"A piece of dirt is not the promised land; that is only a reflection.
The promised land is knowing Me, says the Lord."

"It is all about God or it is all about idolatry."

"The Lord Jesus is coming soon. He has always come soon."

"There is no revolving door of self-worship in a son of God's life!"

"There is no such thing as random!"

"You can't truly love without it being with all your heart."

"No one can see God without their whole heart. Unless you can see God,
you know nothing."

"You can't learn God, God has to reveal Himself to you."

"No sinner is sinless in any way."

"Only God is life; only the Kingdom of God of His "Nature" is life."

"What you believe is just a leaning on your own understanding; faith is
a leaning on the one you have chosen to trust."

"God uses the "letter" to crucify a man and raise him from the dead."

"Not fearing God is sheer stupidity for sinners."

"Self-righteousness is any exclusion of God in your heart, because any
exclusion reveals that you think more about yourself than what you
really are."

"Atheism: "The claim that life received from itself."

"But remember this: always, absolutely always, all the glory is the
Lord's and His alone, and anyone who takes any credit for anything, you
know, instantly, he is not what he pretends to be and is a false prophet."

"That light had to bear (bears all things) the darkness for us, but that
light did not ever become darkness."

On Mon, 3 Jun 2024 10:33:13 +1000, In the Name of Jesus wrote:

> On 3/06/2024 9:44 am, Creon wrote:
>> On Sun, 2 Jun 2024 20:38:44 +1000, In the Name of Jesus wrote:
>>
>>> It is your life, though. Your choice, but a certain celebrity Lord you
>>> know about gave up a herculean lot and made a huge sacrifice to give you
>>> that choice.
>>
>> Funny you should mention Hercules -- he was deified, too.
>
> Well, that is your choice.

No, that is reality's choice. It was the choice of anonymous
authors. Sound familiar?

You would do well to get a better grip on reality, Buddy-boy. God
will not be mocked, and you might be *zotted* for your
blasphemy. "You were warned!"

--
-c

On 3/06/2024 11:27 am, Creon wrote:
> On Mon, 3 Jun 2024 10:33:13 +1000, In the Name of Jesus wrote:
>
>> On 3/06/2024 9:44 am, Creon wrote:
>>> On Sun, 2 Jun 2024 20:38:44 +1000, In the Name of Jesus wrote:
>>>
>>>> It is your life, though. Your choice, but a certain celebrity Lord you
>>>> know about gave up a herculean lot and made a huge sacrifice to give you
>>>> that choice.
>>>
>>> Funny you should mention Hercules -- he was deified, too.
>>
>> Well, that is your choice.
>
> No, that is reality's choice. It was the choice of anonymous
> authors. Sound familiar?
>
> You would do well to get a better grip on reality, Buddy-boy. God
> will not be mocked, and you might be *zotted* for your
> blasphemy. "You were warned!"

You can choose that opinion, but it has no bearing on what, where, and
who I am.

In the Name of Jesus

--
God is God in all His Being.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that a sinner could play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: A man full of bluster and bullshit
pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

What does a fool do? A fool looks for a "nothing" in a "something" in
order to explain the existence of existence.

"Unless you do all because He is who He is, all your religion is in vain."

"Every man is subject to God; He judges every man, and He is reality.
 What a gift in a fallen world!"

"Love MUST be a choice or it is nothing but a law!"

"Why were all men born sinners? So that God could reveal Himself, so
that we would behold the glory of God, and that we should bring forth
the glory of God"

"God does not and will not arbitrate for any man to love Him! If God
isn't everything to you, He is nothing to you where the rubber meets the
road."

"It is the unforgivable sin not to love God with all your heart, soul,
and mind. What do you have that is lasting? It is not so much being
punished; it is what you are left with."

"Love isn't worth anything without first a free will choice for God to
birth it in a man."

"The point of salvation: desperation. Anything less than that is
self-righteousness."

"A sinner is not a believer in God; a sinner is a believer in sin."

"A piece of dirt is not the promised land; that is only a reflection.
The promised land is knowing Me, says the Lord."

"It is all about God or it is all about idolatry."

"The Lord Jesus is coming soon. He has always come soon."

"There is no revolving door of self-worship in a son of God's life!"

"There is no such thing as random!"

"You can't truly love without it being with all your heart."

"No one can see God without their whole heart. Unless you can see God,
you know nothing."

"You can't learn God, God has to reveal Himself to you."

"No sinner is sinless in any way."

"Only God is life; only the Kingdom of God of His "Nature" is life."

"What you believe is just a leaning on your own understanding; faith is
a leaning on the one you have chosen to trust."

"God uses the "letter" to crucify a man and raise him from the dead."

"Not fearing God is sheer stupidity for sinners."

"Self-righteousness is any exclusion of God in your heart, because any
exclusion reveals that you think more about yourself than what you
really are."

"Atheism: "The claim that life received from itself."

"But remember this: always, absolutely always, all the glory is the
Lord's and His alone, and anyone who takes any credit for anything, you
know, instantly, he is not what he pretends to be and is a false prophet."

"That light had to bear (bears all things) the darkness for us, but that
light did not ever become darkness."

Creon wrote:
> On Sun, 2 Jun 2024 20:38:44 +1000, In the Name of Jesus wrote:
>
> > It is your life, though. Your choice, but a certain celebrity Lord you
> > know about gave up a herculean lot and made a huge sacrifice to give you
> > that choice.
>
> Funny you should mention Hercules -- he was deified, too.

Hercules was deified, but was he ever promoted to Christ?

No, Herc was just your common pedestrian man-o-steel and
one god among many. Mike the Christ, otoh, is gloriouser
than a peacock shitting golden bricks. Just ask Him.

"So, your glorious say-so based on your glorious opinion,
your glorious assumption, and your, well, glorious
anointing of thyself as reality and truth." —— MX

"And the glorious general led the advance
With a glorious swish of his sword and his lance
And a glorious clank of his tin-plated pants."
—— Dr. Seuss

Creon wrote:
> On Sun, 2 Jun 2024 03:40:56 -0700, Andrew wrote:
> > "Maximus" wrote in message news:lc2fdhFe039U2@mid.individual.net...
> >
> >> nothing happens when we die
>
> When people tell me there's no evidence for consciousness after
> death, I point out there isn't evidence for consciousness among
> the living, either.
>
> How do you know I exist except as a figment of your imagination, hmmm?
>
> >
> > No, you must face the Judgment.
> >
> > "It is appointed unto men once to
> > die, but after this the Judgment"
> > ~ Hebrews 9:27
>
> Saul of Tarsus was very unreliable about such matters.

Indeed, Saul of Tarsus may not have even written Hebrews,
among other supposed pauline epistles.

"The Church included the Letter to the Hebrews as the
fourteenth letter of Paul until the Reformation. Pauline
authorship is now generally rejected, and the real author
is unknown."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authorship_of_the_Bible

On 3/06/2024 2:57 pm, El Kabong wrote:
> Creon wrote:
>> On Sun, 2 Jun 2024 03:40:56 -0700, Andrew wrote:
>>> "Maximus" wrote in message news:lc2fdhFe039U2@mid.individual.net...
>>>
>>>> nothing happens when we die
>>
>> When people tell me there's no evidence for consciousness after
>> death, I point out there isn't evidence for consciousness among
>> the living, either.
>>
>> How do you know I exist except as a figment of your imagination, hmmm?
>>
>>>
>>> No, you must face the Judgment.
>>>
>>> "It is appointed unto men once to
>>> die, but after this the Judgment"
>>> ~ Hebrews 9:27
>>
>> Saul of Tarsus was very unreliable about such matters.
>
> Indeed, Saul of Tarsus may not have even written Hebrews,
> among other supposed pauline epistles.
>
> "The Church included the Letter to the Hebrews as the
> fourteenth letter of Paul until the Reformation. Pauline
> authorship is now generally rejected, and the real author
> is unknown."
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authorship_of_the_Bible

Have no fear.

It doesn't matter what man wrote the words down.

In the Name of Jesus

--
God is God in all His Being.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that a sinner could play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: A man full of bluster and bullshit
pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

What does a fool do? A fool looks for a "nothing" in a "something" in
order to explain the existence of existence.

"Unless you do all because He is who He is, all your religion is in vain."

"Every man is subject to God; He judges every man, and He is reality.
 What a gift in a fallen world!"

"Love MUST be a choice or it is nothing but a law!"

"Why were all men born sinners? So that God could reveal Himself, so
that we would behold the glory of God, and that we should bring forth
the glory of God"

"God does not and will not arbitrate for any man to love Him! If God
isn't everything to you, He is nothing to you where the rubber meets the
road."

"It is the unforgivable sin not to love God with all your heart, soul,
and mind. What do you have that is lasting? It is not so much being
punished; it is what you are left with."

"Love isn't worth anything without first a free will choice for God to
birth it in a man."

"The point of salvation: desperation. Anything less than that is
self-righteousness."

"A sinner is not a believer in God; a sinner is a believer in sin."

"A piece of dirt is not the promised land; that is only a reflection.
The promised land is knowing Me, says the Lord."

"It is all about God or it is all about idolatry."

"The Lord Jesus is coming soon. He has always come soon."

"There is no revolving door of self-worship in a son of God's life!"

"There is no such thing as random!"

"You can't truly love without it being with all your heart."

"No one can see God without their whole heart. Unless you can see God,
you know nothing."

"You can't learn God, God has to reveal Himself to you."

"No sinner is sinless in any way."

"Only God is life; only the Kingdom of God of His "Nature" is life."

"What you believe is just a leaning on your own understanding; faith is
a leaning on the one you have chosen to trust."

"God uses the "letter" to crucify a man and raise him from the dead."

"Not fearing God is sheer stupidity for sinners."

"Self-righteousness is any exclusion of God in your heart, because any
exclusion reveals that you think more about yourself than what you
really are."

"Atheism: "The claim that life received from itself."

"But remember this: always, absolutely always, all the glory is the
Lord's and His alone, and anyone who takes any credit for anything, you
know, instantly, he is not what he pretends to be and is a false prophet."

"That light had to bear (bears all things) the darkness for us, but that
light did not ever become darkness."