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`- Re: Avoiding Gnostic Error: What John Meant by "Cannot Sin" in 1 John 3:9Dawn Flood

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Subject: Re: Avoiding Gnostic Error: What John Meant by "Cannot Sin" in 1 John 3:9
From: In the Name of Jesus
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On 31/05/2024 11:57 pm, ChristRose wrote:
> ========================
> On Fri, 31 May 2024 01:40:47 -0700,
> Article:<0001HW.2C09C48F0034839F30B12A38F@news.eternal-september.org>,
> Robert wrote:
> ========================
>
> Christrose wrote:
>
>>>>> These double examples show me what is
>>>>> meant by right living and not sinning.
>>>>> The believer continually practices right
>>>>> living. The believer does not
>>>>> continually practice wrong living.
>>>>
>>>> Then he is not a sinner. Correct?
>>>
>>> "Continually practices right living"
>>> means it's not a single act of right
>>> living, but ongoing acts of right
>>> living. That's the present tense. It
>>> does not necessitate that every single
>>> second of every single day you are doing
>>> nothing but righteous acts.
>>
>> Godly living is a righteous act.
>
>
> And if the believer were not even
> capable of sinning, there'd be no reason
> to exhort him to live a godly life. He
> would not be capable of doing anything
> but that at any moment. Yet the epistles
> are filled with rebukes and instructions
> to stop sinning,

How can a continual sinner ever stop sinning?

There is a disconnect of understanding here, fundamentally in the
interpretation and meaning of the scriptures.

A fatal flaw.

In the Name of Jesus

>
> (https:christrose.news/sin-nature)
>
> to walk worthy of the calling, and to
> walk in the Spirit, not the flesh, as
> you yourself showed from Galatians 5,
> when you pretended like I was the one
> who wasn't paying attention to what it
> says.
>
>
>>> Likewise, not sinning means you do not
>>> continually sin like the devil, who does
>>> nothing but sin, and never stops
>>> sinning. It does not, however, mean that
>>> you never sin at any single point in
>>> time (aorist tense). It means your life
>>> will not be characterized by ongoing,
>>> unrepentant sin.
>>
>> Any sin you constantly repeat means you failed repenting. You life is
>> characterized by it.
>
> You've confirmed what I said. It means
> your life is not characterized by
> habitual unrepentant sin, not that you
> never sin at any single point in time.
>
>
>> Why do people complain about all the church going
>> hypocrites
>
>
> ““If the world hates you, you know that
> it hated Me before it hated you. If you
> were of the world, the world would love
> its own. Yet because you are not of the
> world, but I chose you out of the world,
> therefore the world hates you. Remember
> the word that I said to you, ‘A servant
> is not greater than his master.’ If they
> persecuted Me, they will also persecute
> you. If they kept My word, they will
> keep yours also.” (John 15:18–20, NKJV)
>
> They complained about Jesus being a
> sinner, while He was living a perfectly
> sin-free life. Jesus warned you they
> would do the same to you. Not only that,
> if the world does love and receive you,
> it's a sign you are living the way they
> live.
>
> If you think the unregenerate will ever
> pat you on the back and say what a great
> job you are doing, or if you seek such
> validation, you will just live as a
> perpetual guilt-slave to the
> unregenerate. They are never going to
> agree that you proved them wrong, or
> that you live a godly life. They will
> find fault even with sinless perfection,
> as they did with Jesus, and as He warned
> you they would do.
>
> Don't let yourself become a guilt-slave
> to the unregenerate, where you
> constantly have to prove you're not the
> bad person they claim you are.
>
> Instead, evaluate their claim. If it's
> true, repent, confess it to God, then
> avoid the sin. 99% of the time it's a
> lie, and it's designed to discredit the
> gospel and make you a perpetual
> guilt-slave to their demands.
>
>
> --
> Have you heard the good news Christ died
> for our sins (†), and God raised Him
> from the dead?
>
> That Christ died for our sins shows
> we're sinners who deserve the death
> penalty. That God raised Him from the
> dead shows Christ's death satisfied
> God's righteous demands against our sin
> (Romans 3:25; 1 John 2:1-2). This means
> God can now remain just, while forgiving
> you of your sins, and saving you from
> eternal damnation.
>
> https://christrose.news/salvation

--
God is God in all His Being.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that a sinner could play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: A man full of bluster and bullshit
pretending he is the meaning of life."


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Subject: Re: Avoiding Gnostic Error: What John Meant by "Cannot Sin" in 1 John 3:9
From: Dawn Flood
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On 5/31/24 8:04 PM, In the Name of Jesus wrote:
>On 31/05/2024 11:57 pm, ChristRose wrote:
>> ========================
>> On Fri, 31 May 2024 01:40:47 -0700,
>> Article:<0001HW.2C09C48F0034839F30B12A38F@news.eternal-september.org>,
>> Robert wrote:
>> ========================
>>
>> Christrose wrote:
>>
>>>>>> These double examples show me what is
>>>>>> meant by right living and not sinning.
>>>>>> The believer continually practices right
>>>>>> living. The believer does not
>>>>>> continually practice wrong living.
>>>>>
>>>>> Then he is not a sinner. Correct?
>>>>
>>>> "Continually practices right living"
>>>> means it's not a single act of right
>>>> living, but ongoing acts of right
>>>> living. That's the present tense. It
>>>> does not necessitate that every single
>>>> second of every single day you are doing
>>>> nothing but righteous acts.
>>>
>>> Godly living is a righteous act.
>>
>>
>> And if the believer were not even
>> capable of sinning, there'd be no reason
>> to exhort him to live a godly life. He
>> would not be capable of doing anything
>> but that at any moment. Yet the epistles
>> are filled with rebukes and instructions
>> to stop sinning,
>
>How can a continual sinner ever stop sinning?
>
>There is a disconnect of understanding here, fundamentally in the
>interpretation and meaning of the scriptures.
>
>A fatal flaw.
>
>
>
>
>
>In the Name of Jesus
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>>
>> (https:christrose.news/sin-nature)
>>
>> to walk worthy of the calling, and to
>> walk in the Spirit, not the flesh, as
>> you yourself showed from Galatians 5,
>> when you pretended like I was the one
>> who wasn't paying attention to what it
>> says.
>>
>>
>>>> Likewise, not sinning means you do not
>>>> continually sin like the devil, who does
>>>> nothing but sin, and never stops
>>>> sinning. It does not, however, mean that
>>>> you never sin at any single point in
>>>> time (aorist tense). It means your life
>>>> will not be characterized by ongoing,
>>>> unrepentant sin.
>>>
>>> Any sin you constantly repeat means you failed repenting. You life is
>>> characterized by it.
>>
>> You've confirmed what I said. It means
>> your life is not characterized by
>> habitual unrepentant sin, not that you
>> never sin at any single point in time.
>>
>>
>>> Why do people complain about all the church going
>>> hypocrites
>>
>>
>> ““If the world hates you, you know that
>> it hated Me before it hated you. If you
>> were of the world, the world would love
>> its own. Yet because you are not of the
>> world, but I chose you out of the world,
>> therefore the world hates you. Remember
>> the word that I said to you, ‘A servant
>> is not greater than his master.’ If they
>> persecuted Me, they will also persecute
>> you. If they kept My word, they will
>> keep yours also.” (John 15:18–20, NKJV)
>>
>> They complained about Jesus being a
>> sinner, while He was living a perfectly
>> sin-free life. Jesus warned you they
>> would do the same to you. Not only that,
>> if the world does love and receive you,
>> it's a sign you are living the way they
>> live.
>>
>> If you think the unregenerate will ever
>> pat you on the back and say what a great
>> job you are doing, or if you seek such
>> validation, you will just live as a
>> perpetual guilt-slave to the
>> unregenerate. They are never going to
>> agree that you proved them wrong, or
>> that you live a godly life. They will
>> find fault even with sinless perfection,
>> as they did with Jesus, and as He warned
>> you they would do.
>>
>> Don't let yourself become a guilt-slave
>> to the unregenerate, where you
>> constantly have to prove you're not the
>> bad person they claim you are.
>>
>> Instead, evaluate their claim. If it's
>> true, repent, confess it to God, then
>> avoid the sin. 99% of the time it's a
>> lie, and it's designed to discredit the
>> gospel and make you a perpetual
>> guilt-slave to their demands.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Have you heard the good news Christ died
>> for our sins (†), and God raised Him
>> from the dead?
>>
>> That Christ died for our sins shows
>> we're sinners who deserve the death
>> penalty. That God raised Him from the
>> dead shows Christ's death satisfied
>> God's righteous demands against our sin
>> (Romans 3:25; 1 John 2:1-2). This means
>> God can now remain just, while forgiving
>> you of your sins, and saving you from
>> eternal damnation.
>>
>> https://christrose.news/salvation

Who cares? The Gospel & Epistles of John are pseudonymous.

Dawn

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