It's *not* surprising in the least. Trump has been a crook his entire adult
life; even earlier if you count his cheating on the SAT to get into college and
his draft dodging ("bone spurs," *ha ha ha ha ha*!)

Trump cheated on all his wives.

Trump bragged about screwing his friends' wives.

Trump chiseled his contractors and attorneys for decades.

Trump violated the emoluments clause every single day of his failed term.

Trump broke the law in freezing aid to Ukraine and trying to strong-arm
Zelenskiy into smearing Joe Biden.

Trump organized, financed and incited an insurrection.

Trump organized and participated in the fake electors scheme.

Trump *stole* thousands of documents, including hundreds that are classified,
and refused to return them, defied a subpoena for them, and obstructed the
recovery of them by the government, including suborning perjury by his lawyers.
Trump *still* has documents that don't belong to him.

Trump corruptly and criminally tried to pressure state election officials into
committing election fraud.

The *only* thing surprising about this case and verdict is how long it took
before Trump finally was brought to justice. And make no mistake, justice was done.

It is hilarious listening to Trump talk about the case. Trump, an intellectual
mediocrity at best, has a self-replenishing bucket of lame, trite adjectives and
nouns that he reaches into to grab a fistful and lard his speech and text
messages with them. "Corrupt," "disgrace/disgraceful," "disgusting," "fake,"
"radical far left," "hoax," etc. These are words used by a demented fuckwit who
never had a good vocabulary to start with.

I once read a very good piece by someone talking about "separator" words. These
are words and expressions that separate intelligent and literate people from the
average people and the knuckle-draggers. The author gave an example of responses
by a knuckle-dragger, an average Joe, and an intelligent and literate person to
the discovery of a useful solution to a problem.

Knuckle-dragger: "Cool!"

Average Joe: "This will help us."

Intelligent literate person, e.g. Prof. Canoza:
"This will redound to our benefit."

Trump's grunts place him somewhere between the knuckle-dragger and the average
Joe, but closer to the knuckle-dragger. Trump has never heard, let alone used,
the words "redound," "beneficial" or "deleterious." He' stupid and badly educated.

--
Canoza's law: Justice was done in Trump's trial.

On 5/31/24 12:44, Rudy Canoza wrote:
> It's *not* surprising in the least. Trump has been a crook his entire
> adult life; even earlier if you count his cheating on the SAT to get
> into college and his draft dodging ("bone spurs," *ha ha ha ha ha*!)
>
> Trump cheated on all his wives.
>
> Trump bragged about screwing his friends' wives.
>
> Trump chiseled his contractors and attorneys for decades.
>
> Trump violated the emoluments clause every single day of his failed term.
>
> Trump broke the law in freezing aid to Ukraine and trying to strong-arm
> Zelenskiy into smearing Joe Biden.
>
> Trump organized, financed and incited an insurrection.
>
> Trump organized and participated in the fake electors scheme.
>
> Trump *stole* thousands of documents, including hundreds that are
> classified, and refused to return them, defied a subpoena for them, and
> obstructed the recovery of them by the government, including suborning
> perjury by his lawyers. Trump *still* has documents that don't belong to
> him.
>
> Trump corruptly and criminally tried to pressure state election
> officials into committing election fraud.
>
>
> The *only* thing surprising about this case and verdict is how long it
> took before Trump finally was brought to justice. And make no mistake,
> justice was done.
>
> It is hilarious listening to Trump talk about the case. Trump, an
> intellectual mediocrity at best, has a self-replenishing bucket of lame,
> trite adjectives and nouns that he reaches into to grab a fistful and
> lard his speech and text messages with them. "Corrupt,"
> "disgrace/disgraceful," "disgusting," "fake," "radical far left,"
> "hoax," etc. These are words used by a demented fuckwit who never had a
> good vocabulary to start with.
>
> I once read a very good piece by someone talking about "separator"
> words. These are words and expressions that separate intelligent and
> literate people from the average people and the knuckle-draggers. The
> author gave an example of responses by a knuckle-dragger, an average
> Joe, and an intelligent and literate person to the discovery of a useful
> solution to a problem.
>
>   Knuckle-dragger: "Cool!"
>
>   Average Joe: "This will help us."
>
>   Intelligent literate person, e.g. Prof. Canoza:
>   "This will redound to our benefit."

You are an arrogant ass, who is nowhere as intelligent as you claim to be.

> Trump's grunts place him somewhere between the knuckle-dragger and the
> average Joe, but closer to the knuckle-dragger. Trump has never heard,
> let alone used, the words "redound," "beneficial" or "deleterious." He'
> stupid and badly educated.
>

On 5/31/2024 1:42 PM, David Hartung wrote:
> On 5/31/24 12:44, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>> It's *not* surprising in the least. Trump has been a crook his entire adult
>> life; even earlier if you count his cheating on the SAT to get into college
>> and his draft dodging ("bone spurs," *ha ha ha ha ha*!)
>>
>> Trump cheated on all his wives.
>>
>> Trump bragged about screwing his friends' wives.
>>
>> Trump chiseled his contractors and attorneys for decades.
>>
>> Trump violated the emoluments clause every single day of his failed term.
>>
>> Trump broke the law in freezing aid to Ukraine and trying to strong-arm
>> Zelenskiy into smearing Joe Biden.
>>
>> Trump organized, financed and incited an insurrection.
>>
>> Trump organized and participated in the fake electors scheme.
>>
>> Trump *stole* thousands of documents, including hundreds that are classified,
>> and refused to return them, defied a subpoena for them, and obstructed the
>> recovery of them by the government, including suborning perjury by his
>> lawyers. Trump *still* has documents that don't belong to him.
>>
>> Trump corruptly and criminally tried to pressure state election officials into
>> committing election fraud.
>>
>>
>> The *only* thing surprising about this case and verdict is how long it took
>> before Trump finally was brought to justice. And make no mistake, justice was
>> done.
>>
>> It is hilarious listening to Trump talk about the case. Trump, an intellectual
>> mediocrity at best, has a self-replenishing bucket of lame, trite adjectives
>> and nouns that he reaches into to grab a fistful and lard his speech and text
>> messages with them. "Corrupt," "disgrace/disgraceful," "disgusting," "fake,"
>> "radical far left," "hoax," etc. These are words used by a demented fuckwit
>> who never had a good vocabulary to start with.
>>
>> I once read a very good piece by someone talking about "separator" words.
>> These are words and expressions that separate intelligent and literate people
>> from the average people and the knuckle-draggers. The author gave an example
>> of responses by a knuckle-dragger, an average Joe, and an intelligent and
>> literate person to the discovery of a useful solution to a problem.
>>
>>    Knuckle-dragger: "Cool!"
>>
>>    Average Joe: "This will help us."
>>
>>    Intelligent literate person, e.g. Prof. Canoza:
>>    "This will redound to our benefit."
>
> You are an arrogant ass

Concession of defeat noted. You didn't refute a word I said.

So why do you consider it impossible that the crook Trump could finally be dealt
a just hand?

>> Trump's grunts place him somewhere between the knuckle-dragger and the average
>> Joe, but closer to the knuckle-dragger. Trump has never heard, let alone used,
>> the words "redound," "beneficial" or "deleterious." He' stupid and badly
>> educated.
>>
>

--
Canoza's law: Hartung is *always* wrong.

On 5/31/24 16:05, Rudy Canoza wrote:
> On 5/31/2024 1:42 PM, David Hartung wrote:
>> On 5/31/24 12:44, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>> It's *not* surprising in the least. Trump has been a crook his entire
>>> adult life; even earlier if you count his cheating on the SAT to get
>>> into college and his draft dodging ("bone spurs," *ha ha ha ha ha*!)
>>>
>>> Trump cheated on all his wives.
>>>
>>> Trump bragged about screwing his friends' wives.
>>>
>>> Trump chiseled his contractors and attorneys for decades.
>>>
>>> Trump violated the emoluments clause every single day of his failed
>>> term.
>>>
>>> Trump broke the law in freezing aid to Ukraine and trying to
>>> strong-arm Zelenskiy into smearing Joe Biden.
>>>
>>> Trump organized, financed and incited an insurrection.
>>>
>>> Trump organized and participated in the fake electors scheme.
>>>
>>> Trump *stole* thousands of documents, including hundreds that are
>>> classified, and refused to return them, defied a subpoena for them,
>>> and obstructed the recovery of them by the government, including
>>> suborning perjury by his lawyers. Trump *still* has documents that
>>> don't belong to him.
>>>
>>> Trump corruptly and criminally tried to pressure state election
>>> officials into committing election fraud.
>>>
>>>
>>> The *only* thing surprising about this case and verdict is how long
>>> it took before Trump finally was brought to justice. And make no
>>> mistake, justice was done.
>>>
>>> It is hilarious listening to Trump talk about the case. Trump, an
>>> intellectual mediocrity at best, has a self-replenishing bucket of
>>> lame, trite adjectives and nouns that he reaches into to grab a
>>> fistful and lard his speech and text messages with them. "Corrupt,"
>>> "disgrace/disgraceful," "disgusting," "fake," "radical far left,"
>>> "hoax," etc. These are words used by a demented fuckwit who never had
>>> a good vocabulary to start with.
>>>
>>> I once read a very good piece by someone talking about "separator"
>>> words. These are words and expressions that separate intelligent and
>>> literate people from the average people and the knuckle-draggers. The
>>> author gave an example of responses by a knuckle-dragger, an average
>>> Joe, and an intelligent and literate person to the discovery of a
>>> useful solution to a problem.
>>>
>>>    Knuckle-dragger: "Cool!"
>>>
>>>    Average Joe: "This will help us."
>>>
>>>    Intelligent literate person, e.g. Prof. Canoza:
>>>    "This will redound to our benefit."
>>
>> You are an arrogant ass
>
> Concession of defeat noted. You didn't refute a word I said.
>
> So why do you consider it impossible that the crook Trump could finally
> be dealt a just hand?

What evidence is there that Trump committed a felony? From the little I
saw, it was not presented during the trial. In fact, what was the
underlying crime?

>>> Trump's grunts place him somewhere between the knuckle-dragger and
>>> the average Joe, but closer to the knuckle-dragger. Trump has never
>>> heard, let alone used, the words "redound," "beneficial" or
>>> "deleterious." He' stupid and badly educated.
>>>
>>
>

On 5/31/2024 2:09 PM, David Hartung wrote:
> On 5/31/24 16:05, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>> On 5/31/2024 1:42 PM, David Hartung wrote:
>>> On 5/31/24 12:44, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>> It's *not* surprising in the least. Trump has been a crook his entire adult
>>>> life; even earlier if you count his cheating on the SAT to get into college
>>>> and his draft dodging ("bone spurs," *ha ha ha ha ha*!)
>>>>
>>>> Trump cheated on all his wives.
>>>>
>>>> Trump bragged about screwing his friends' wives.
>>>>
>>>> Trump chiseled his contractors and attorneys for decades.
>>>>
>>>> Trump violated the emoluments clause every single day of his failed term.
>>>>
>>>> Trump broke the law in freezing aid to Ukraine and trying to strong-arm
>>>> Zelenskiy into smearing Joe Biden.
>>>>
>>>> Trump organized, financed and incited an insurrection.
>>>>
>>>> Trump organized and participated in the fake electors scheme.
>>>>
>>>> Trump *stole* thousands of documents, including hundreds that are
>>>> classified, and refused to return them, defied a subpoena for them, and
>>>> obstructed the recovery of them by the government, including suborning
>>>> perjury by his lawyers. Trump *still* has documents that don't belong to him.
>>>>
>>>> Trump corruptly and criminally tried to pressure state election officials
>>>> into committing election fraud.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The *only* thing surprising about this case and verdict is how long it took
>>>> before Trump finally was brought to justice. And make no mistake, justice
>>>> was done.
>>>>
>>>> It is hilarious listening to Trump talk about the case. Trump, an
>>>> intellectual mediocrity at best, has a self-replenishing bucket of lame,
>>>> trite adjectives and nouns that he reaches into to grab a fistful and lard
>>>> his speech and text messages with them. "Corrupt," "disgrace/disgraceful,"
>>>> "disgusting," "fake," "radical far left," "hoax," etc. These are words used
>>>> by a demented fuckwit who never had a good vocabulary to start with.
>>>>
>>>> I once read a very good piece by someone talking about "separator" words.
>>>> These are words and expressions that separate intelligent and literate
>>>> people from the average people and the knuckle-draggers. The author gave an
>>>> example of responses by a knuckle-dragger, an average Joe, and an
>>>> intelligent and literate person to the discovery of a useful solution to a
>>>> problem.
>>>>
>>>>    Knuckle-dragger: "Cool!"
>>>>
>>>>    Average Joe: "This will help us."
>>>>
>>>>    Intelligent literate person, e.g. Prof. Canoza:
>>>>    "This will redound to our benefit."
>>>
>>> You are an arrogant ass
>>
>> Concession of defeat noted. You didn't refute a word I said.
>>
>> So why do you consider it impossible that the crook Trump could finally be
>> dealt a just hand?
>
> What evidence is there that Trump committed a felony?

It was all presented at trial, and a jury of his peers found it convincing.

> From the little I saw, it was not presented during the trial.

It was presented at trial. The evidence — yes, "actual" <snicker> evidence — was
the testimony of David Pecker, Stephanie Clifford, Michael Cohen, and the
handwritten notes of Allen Weisselberg.

> In fact, what was the underlying crime?

Crimes, plural. There were three, and Trump did not need to be charged with any
of them: a violation of federal campaign finance laws; falsification of other
business records; or a violation of tax laws. The jurors did not need to agree
on which underlying crime or crimes Trump committed or intended to commit. They
only needed to be unanimous in their decision that Trump falsified the business
records in order to further or conceal one or more of those additional crimes.
And they were unanimous on that for all 34 counts.

Cohen went to prison for illegal campaign contributions. When Trump reimbursed
him for them, they became Trump's illegal campaign contributions.

Trump is a crook, as I showed above. Why is it so hard for you to accept that,
and why is it so hard for you to accept that justice *finally* was rendered to
this crook? Because it was.

>
>>>> Trump's grunts place him somewhere between the knuckle-dragger and the
>>>> average Joe, but closer to the knuckle-dragger. Trump has never heard, let
>>>> alone used, the words "redound," "beneficial" or "deleterious." He' stupid
>>>> and badly educated.
>>>>
>>>
>>
>

--
Canoza's law: Hartung is *always* wrong.

David Hartung <junk@nogood.com> wrote in
news:oaWdnRUHk7jiocf7nZ2dnZfqn_oAAAAA@giganews.com:

> On 5/31/24 16:05, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>> On 5/31/2024 1:42 PM, David Hartung wrote:
>>> On 5/31/24 12:44, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>> It's *not* surprising in the least. Trump has been a crook his
entire
>>>> adult life; even earlier if you count his cheating on the SAT to get
>>>> into college and his draft dodging ("bone spurs," *ha ha ha ha ha*!)
>>>>
>>>> Trump cheated on all his wives.
>>>>
>>>> Trump bragged about screwing his friends' wives.
>>>>
>>>> Trump chiseled his contractors and attorneys for decades.
>>>>
>>>> Trump violated the emoluments clause every single day of his failed
>>>> term.
>>>>
>>>> Trump broke the law in freezing aid to Ukraine and trying to
>>>> strong-arm Zelenskiy into smearing Joe Biden.
>>>>
>>>> Trump organized, financed and incited an insurrection.
>>>>
>>>> Trump organized and participated in the fake electors scheme.
>>>>
>>>> Trump *stole* thousands of documents, including hundreds that are
>>>> classified, and refused to return them, defied a subpoena for them,
>>>> and obstructed the recovery of them by the government, including
>>>> suborning perjury by his lawyers. Trump *still* has documents that
>>>> don't belong to him.
>>>>
>>>> Trump corruptly and criminally tried to pressure state election
>>>> officials into committing election fraud.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The *only* thing surprising about this case and verdict is how long
>>>> it took before Trump finally was brought to justice. And make no
>>>> mistake, justice was done.
>>>>
>>>> It is hilarious listening to Trump talk about the case. Trump, an
>>>> intellectual mediocrity at best, has a self-replenishing bucket of
>>>> lame, trite adjectives and nouns that he reaches into to grab a
>>>> fistful and lard his speech and text messages with them. "Corrupt,"
>>>> "disgrace/disgraceful," "disgusting," "fake," "radical far left,"
>>>> "hoax," etc. These are words used by a demented fuckwit who never
had
>>>> a good vocabulary to start with.
>>>>
>>>> I once read a very good piece by someone talking about "separator"
>>>> words. These are words and expressions that separate intelligent and
>>>> literate people from the average people and the knuckle-draggers.
The
>>>> author gave an example of responses by a knuckle-dragger, an average
>>>> Joe, and an intelligent and literate person to the discovery of a
>>>> useful solution to a problem.
>>>>
>>>>    Knuckle-dragger: "Cool!"
>>>>
>>>>    Average Joe: "This will help us."
>>>>
>>>>    Intelligent literate person, e.g. Prof. Canoza:
>>>>    "This will redound to our benefit."
>>>
>>> You are an arrogant ass
>>
>> Concession of defeat noted. You didn't refute a word I said.
>>
>> So why do you consider it impossible that the crook Trump could
finally
>> be dealt a just hand?
>
> What evidence is there that Trump committed a felony?

The evidence from the documents
presented at trial

>From the little I
> saw, it was not presented during the trial. In fact, what was the
> underlying crime?
>

Trump ADMITTED committing the crime.

"And on Tuesday, Trump seemed to outright
admit he had done so, insisting to reporters
crowded outside the courthouse that he marked
the expenditures to Daniels via his former
fixer and attorney Michael Cohen as a "legal
expense."

https://newrepublic.com/post/180741/trump-admit-hush-money-trial-crimes

I accept the legitimacy of this "verdict" as much as you accept the legitimacy
of the Rittenhouse and Zimmerman verdicts.

In article <XnsB183D6D0C83E8629555@185.151.15.160>, noemail@aol.com
says...
>
> David Hartung <junk@nogood.com> wrote in
> news:oaWdnRUHk7jiocf7nZ2dnZfqn_oAAAAA@giganews.com:
>
> > On 5/31/24 16:05, Rudy Canoza wrote:
> >> On 5/31/2024 1:42 PM, David Hartung wrote:
> >>> On 5/31/24 12:44, Rudy Canoza wrote:
> >>>> It's *not* surprising in the least. Trump has been a crook his
> entire
> >>>> adult life; even earlier if you count his cheating on the SAT to get
> >>>> into college and his draft dodging ("bone spurs," *ha ha ha ha ha*!)
> >>>>
> >>>> Trump cheated on all his wives.
> >>>>
> >>>> Trump bragged about screwing his friends' wives.
> >>>>
> >>>> Trump chiseled his contractors and attorneys for decades.
> >>>>
> >>>> Trump violated the emoluments clause every single day of his failed
> >>>> term.
> >>>>
> >>>> Trump broke the law in freezing aid to Ukraine and trying to
> >>>> strong-arm Zelenskiy into smearing Joe Biden.
> >>>>
> >>>> Trump organized, financed and incited an insurrection.
> >>>>
> >>>> Trump organized and participated in the fake electors scheme.
> >>>>
> >>>> Trump *stole* thousands of documents, including hundreds that are
> >>>> classified, and refused to return them, defied a subpoena for them,
> >>>> and obstructed the recovery of them by the government, including
> >>>> suborning perjury by his lawyers. Trump *still* has documents that
> >>>> don't belong to him.
> >>>>
> >>>> Trump corruptly and criminally tried to pressure state election
> >>>> officials into committing election fraud.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> The *only* thing surprising about this case and verdict is how long
> >>>> it took before Trump finally was brought to justice. And make no
> >>>> mistake, justice was done.
> >>>>
> >>>> It is hilarious listening to Trump talk about the case. Trump, an
> >>>> intellectual mediocrity at best, has a self-replenishing bucket of
> >>>> lame, trite adjectives and nouns that he reaches into to grab a
> >>>> fistful and lard his speech and text messages with them. "Corrupt,"
> >>>> "disgrace/disgraceful," "disgusting," "fake," "radical far left,"
> >>>> "hoax," etc. These are words used by a demented fuckwit who never
> had
> >>>> a good vocabulary to start with.
> >>>>
> >>>> I once read a very good piece by someone talking about "separator"
> >>>> words. These are words and expressions that separate intelligent and
> >>>> literate people from the average people and the knuckle-draggers.
> The
> >>>> author gave an example of responses by a knuckle-dragger, an average
> >>>> Joe, and an intelligent and literate person to the discovery of a
> >>>> useful solution to a problem.
> >>>>
> >>>>    Knuckle-dragger: "Cool!"
> >>>>
> >>>>    Average Joe: "This will help us."
> >>>>
> >>>>    Intelligent literate person, e.g. Prof. Canoza:
> >>>>    "This will redound to our benefit."
> >>>
> >>> You are an arrogant ass
> >>
> >> Concession of defeat noted. You didn't refute a word I said.
> >>
> >> So why do you consider it impossible that the crook Trump could
> finally
> >> be dealt a just hand?
> >
> > What evidence is there that Trump committed a felony?
>
>
> The evidence from the documents
> presented at trial
>
>
> >From the little I
> > saw, it was not presented during the trial. In fact, what was the
> > underlying crime?
> >
>
>
>
> Trump ADMITTED committing the crime.
>
>
> "And on Tuesday, Trump seemed to outright
> admit he had done so, insisting to reporters
> crowded outside the courthouse that he marked
> the expenditures to Daniels via his former
> fixer and attorney Michael Cohen as a "legal
> expense."
>
> https://newrepublic.com/post/180741/trump-admit-hush-money-trial-crimes

What crime?

On 2024-06-01, Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
> I accept the legitimacy of this "verdict" as much as you accept the legitimacy
> of the Rittenhouse and Zimmerman verdicts.

As do I.
This is the system the founding fathers have chosen.
I don't agree with this verdict however that is what the appeals process is for.

--
pothead
Joe Biden is the absolute WORST President Of the U.S. ever.
Nobody else is even close. Including Jimmy Carter.
Vote for ANYBODY but Joe Biden in 2024.

On 5/31/2024 7:09 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
> David Hartung <junk@nogood.com> wrote in
> news:oaWdnRUHk7jiocf7nZ2dnZfqn_oAAAAA@giganews.com:
>
>> On 5/31/24 16:05, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>> On 5/31/2024 1:42 PM, David Hartung wrote:
>>>> On 5/31/24 12:44, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>> It's *not* surprising in the least. Trump has been a crook his
> entire
>>>>> adult life; even earlier if you count his cheating on the SAT to get
>>>>> into college and his draft dodging ("bone spurs," *ha ha ha ha ha*!)
>>>>>
>>>>> Trump cheated on all his wives.
>>>>>
>>>>> Trump bragged about screwing his friends' wives.
>>>>>
>>>>> Trump chiseled his contractors and attorneys for decades.
>>>>>
>>>>> Trump violated the emoluments clause every single day of his failed
>>>>> term.
>>>>>
>>>>> Trump broke the law in freezing aid to Ukraine and trying to
>>>>> strong-arm Zelenskiy into smearing Joe Biden.
>>>>>
>>>>> Trump organized, financed and incited an insurrection.
>>>>>
>>>>> Trump organized and participated in the fake electors scheme.
>>>>>
>>>>> Trump *stole* thousands of documents, including hundreds that are
>>>>> classified, and refused to return them, defied a subpoena for them,
>>>>> and obstructed the recovery of them by the government, including
>>>>> suborning perjury by his lawyers. Trump *still* has documents that
>>>>> don't belong to him.
>>>>>
>>>>> Trump corruptly and criminally tried to pressure state election
>>>>> officials into committing election fraud.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The *only* thing surprising about this case and verdict is how long
>>>>> it took before Trump finally was brought to justice. And make no
>>>>> mistake, justice was done.
>>>>>
>>>>> It is hilarious listening to Trump talk about the case. Trump, an
>>>>> intellectual mediocrity at best, has a self-replenishing bucket of
>>>>> lame, trite adjectives and nouns that he reaches into to grab a
>>>>> fistful and lard his speech and text messages with them. "Corrupt,"
>>>>> "disgrace/disgraceful," "disgusting," "fake," "radical far left,"
>>>>> "hoax," etc. These are words used by a demented fuckwit who never
> had
>>>>> a good vocabulary to start with.
>>>>>
>>>>> I once read a very good piece by someone talking about "separator"
>>>>> words. These are words and expressions that separate intelligent and
>>>>> literate people from the average people and the knuckle-draggers.
> The
>>>>> author gave an example of responses by a knuckle-dragger, an average
>>>>> Joe, and an intelligent and literate person to the discovery of a
>>>>> useful solution to a problem.
>>>>>
>>>>>    Knuckle-dragger: "Cool!"
>>>>>
>>>>>    Average Joe: "This will help us."
>>>>>
>>>>>    Intelligent literate person, e.g. Prof. Canoza:
>>>>>    "This will redound to our benefit."
>>>>
>>>> You are an arrogant ass
>>>
>>> Concession of defeat noted. You didn't refute a word I said.
>>>
>>> So why do you consider it impossible that the crook Trump could
> finally
>>> be dealt a just hand?
>>
>> What evidence is there that Trump committed a felony?
>
>
> The evidence from the documents
> presented at trial
>
>
>>From the little I
>> saw, it was not presented during the trial. In fact, what was the
>> underlying crime?
>>
>
>
>
> Trump ADMITTED committing the crime.
>
>
> "And on Tuesday, Trump seemed to outright
> admit he had done so, insisting to reporters
> crowded outside the courthouse that he marked
> the expenditures to Daniels via his former
> fixer and attorney Michael Cohen as a "legal
> expense."
>
> https://newrepublic.com/post/180741/trump-admit-hush-money-trial-crimes

He was only admitting to committing a crime if the money paid to Cohen was
*not*, in fact, a legal expense. Trump insists it was. Cohen said it wasn't,
because a) he never did any legal work for the Trump Organization, and b) paying
Clifford/Daniels the money was not "legal work" for Trump personally at the time
Cohen paid her.

The fact is, the money paid to Cohen by Trump personally or by the Trump
Organization was *not* for any legal work, meaning the business records were
falsified and the falsification was committed and/or ordered by Trump.

But we are left with the question as to why Hartung and the other
knuckle-draggers find it so unbelievable that this could be proved in a court of
law. It *was* proved, and it should not come as any surprise that Trump would do
this. He's been doing shit like this for his entire adult life, and even
earlier. He's a lifelong cheat and chiseler, and everyone knows it. He is the
cheat and chiseler that the knuckle-draggers, the deplorables, can only wish
they could be. That's why they adore him.

In article <UfH6O.4889$L7p2.861@fx01.iad>, air@vatican_.con says...
>
> On 5/31/2024 7:09 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
> > David Hartung <junk@nogood.com> wrote in
> > news:oaWdnRUHk7jiocf7nZ2dnZfqn_oAAAAA@giganews.com:
> >
> >> On 5/31/24 16:05, Rudy Canoza wrote:
> >>> On 5/31/2024 1:42 PM, David Hartung wrote:
> >>>> On 5/31/24 12:44, Rudy Canoza wrote:
> >>>>> It's *not* surprising in the least. Trump has been a crook his
> > entire
> >>>>> adult life; even earlier if you count his cheating on the SAT to get
> >>>>> into college and his draft dodging ("bone spurs," *ha ha ha ha ha*!)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Trump cheated on all his wives.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Trump bragged about screwing his friends' wives.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Trump chiseled his contractors and attorneys for decades.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Trump violated the emoluments clause every single day of his failed
> >>>>> term.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Trump broke the law in freezing aid to Ukraine and trying to
> >>>>> strong-arm Zelenskiy into smearing Joe Biden.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Trump organized, financed and incited an insurrection.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Trump organized and participated in the fake electors scheme.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Trump *stole* thousands of documents, including hundreds that are
> >>>>> classified, and refused to return them, defied a subpoena for them,
> >>>>> and obstructed the recovery of them by the government, including
> >>>>> suborning perjury by his lawyers. Trump *still* has documents that
> >>>>> don't belong to him.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Trump corruptly and criminally tried to pressure state election
> >>>>> officials into committing election fraud.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The *only* thing surprising about this case and verdict is how long
> >>>>> it took before Trump finally was brought to justice. And make no
> >>>>> mistake, justice was done.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> It is hilarious listening to Trump talk about the case. Trump, an
> >>>>> intellectual mediocrity at best, has a self-replenishing bucket of
> >>>>> lame, trite adjectives and nouns that he reaches into to grab a
> >>>>> fistful and lard his speech and text messages with them. "Corrupt,"
> >>>>> "disgrace/disgraceful," "disgusting," "fake," "radical far left,"
> >>>>> "hoax," etc. These are words used by a demented fuckwit who never
> > had
> >>>>> a good vocabulary to start with.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I once read a very good piece by someone talking about "separator"
> >>>>> words. These are words and expressions that separate intelligent and
> >>>>> literate people from the average people and the knuckle-draggers.
> > The
> >>>>> author gave an example of responses by a knuckle-dragger, an average
> >>>>> Joe, and an intelligent and literate person to the discovery of a
> >>>>> useful solution to a problem.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>    Knuckle-dragger: "Cool!"
> >>>>>
> >>>>>    Average Joe: "This will help us."
> >>>>>
> >>>>>    Intelligent literate person, e.g. Prof. Canoza:
> >>>>>    "This will redound to our benefit."
> >>>>
> >>>> You are an arrogant ass
> >>>
> >>> Concession of defeat noted. You didn't refute a word I said.
> >>>
> >>> So why do you consider it impossible that the crook Trump could
> > finally
> >>> be dealt a just hand?
> >>
> >> What evidence is there that Trump committed a felony?
> >
> >
> > The evidence from the documents
> > presented at trial
> >
> >
> >>From the little I
> >> saw, it was not presented during the trial. In fact, what was the
> >> underlying crime?
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > Trump ADMITTED committing the crime.
> >
> >
> > "And on Tuesday, Trump seemed to outright
> > admit he had done so, insisting to reporters
> > crowded outside the courthouse that he marked
> > the expenditures to Daniels via his former
> > fixer and attorney Michael Cohen as a "legal
> > expense."
> >
> > https://newrepublic.com/post/180741/trump-admit-hush-money-trial-crimes
>
> He was only admitting to committing a crime if the money paid to Cohen was
> *not*, in fact, a legal expense. Trump insists it was. Cohen said it wasn't,
> because a) he never did any legal work for the Trump Organization, and b) paying
> Clifford/Daniels the money was not "legal work" for Trump personally at the time
> Cohen paid her.
>
> The fact is, the money paid to Cohen by Trump personally or by the Trump
> Organization was *not* for any legal work, meaning the business records were
> falsified and the falsification was committed and/or ordered by Trump.
>
> But we are left with the question as to why Hartung and the other
> knuckle-draggers find it so unbelievable that this could be proved in a court of
> law. It *was* proved, and it should not come as any surprise that Trump would do
> this. He's been doing shit like this for his entire adult life, and even
> earlier. He's a lifelong cheat and chiseler, and everyone knows it. He is the
> cheat and chiseler that the knuckle-draggers, the deplorables, can only wish
> they could be. That's why they adore him.

Cohen is a convicted liar.

On 5/31/2024 7:25 PM, Anonymous wrote:
> I accept the legitimacy of this "verdict"

Why do you put quotes around it, you mewling shit-4-braincell impotent
cocksucker? It *is* a verdict.

> as much as you accept the legitimacy of the Rittenhouse and Zimmerman verdicts.

I accept that those verdicts were returned by the ordinary workings of the
justice system, *exactly* as was Trump's verdict. None of the three trials were
"rigged" or "fixed." Particularly regarding the Zimmerman trial, there were no
witnesses to the confrontation, no one other than Zimmerman who saw the exact
details as to how it started, and that left an element of reasonable doubt for
the jurors that the prosecution couldn't overcome. We *know* that Zimmerman went
after Martin with the intention of detaining him, so it seems unlikely that
Martin started the fight. But given the absence of witnesses, it was not
unreasonable for the jury to give the fuckscum Zimmerman the benefit of doubt.

Rittenhouse is another matter. It is clear that he didn't act in self defense.
That was a bad jury. However, they returned a verdict and that's the end of it.

I want to see you suffer the same fate as Martin, Rosenbaum and Huber, you
fucking impotent cocksucker.

--
Canoza's law: AlleyPussyBitch (the narcissistic toddler) is *always* wrong.

On 6/1/2024 8:54 AM, Skeeter-Shit Jack-Off Shit-4-Braincell, convicted child
molester and another fucking do-nothing, lied:

> In article <UfH6O.4889$L7p2.861@fx01.iad>, air@vatican_.con says...
>>
>> On 5/31/2024 7:09 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>> David Hartung <junk@nogood.com> wrote in
>>> news:oaWdnRUHk7jiocf7nZ2dnZfqn_oAAAAA@giganews.com:
>>>
>>>> On 5/31/24 16:05, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>> On 5/31/2024 1:42 PM, David Hartung wrote:
>>>>>> On 5/31/24 12:44, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>>> It's *not* surprising in the least. Trump has been a crook his
>>> entire
>>>>>>> adult life; even earlier if you count his cheating on the SAT to get
>>>>>>> into college and his draft dodging ("bone spurs," *ha ha ha ha ha*!)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Trump cheated on all his wives.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Trump bragged about screwing his friends' wives.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Trump chiseled his contractors and attorneys for decades.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Trump violated the emoluments clause every single day of his failed
>>>>>>> term.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Trump broke the law in freezing aid to Ukraine and trying to
>>>>>>> strong-arm Zelenskiy into smearing Joe Biden.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Trump organized, financed and incited an insurrection.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Trump organized and participated in the fake electors scheme.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Trump *stole* thousands of documents, including hundreds that are
>>>>>>> classified, and refused to return them, defied a subpoena for them,
>>>>>>> and obstructed the recovery of them by the government, including
>>>>>>> suborning perjury by his lawyers. Trump *still* has documents that
>>>>>>> don't belong to him.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Trump corruptly and criminally tried to pressure state election
>>>>>>> officials into committing election fraud.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The *only* thing surprising about this case and verdict is how long
>>>>>>> it took before Trump finally was brought to justice. And make no
>>>>>>> mistake, justice was done.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It is hilarious listening to Trump talk about the case. Trump, an
>>>>>>> intellectual mediocrity at best, has a self-replenishing bucket of
>>>>>>> lame, trite adjectives and nouns that he reaches into to grab a
>>>>>>> fistful and lard his speech and text messages with them. "Corrupt,"
>>>>>>> "disgrace/disgraceful," "disgusting," "fake," "radical far left,"
>>>>>>> "hoax," etc. These are words used by a demented fuckwit who never
>>> had
>>>>>>> a good vocabulary to start with.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I once read a very good piece by someone talking about "separator"
>>>>>>> words. These are words and expressions that separate intelligent and
>>>>>>> literate people from the average people and the knuckle-draggers.
>>> The
>>>>>>> author gave an example of responses by a knuckle-dragger, an average
>>>>>>> Joe, and an intelligent and literate person to the discovery of a
>>>>>>> useful solution to a problem.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    Knuckle-dragger: "Cool!"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    Average Joe: "This will help us."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    Intelligent literate person, e.g. Prof. Canoza:
>>>>>>>    "This will redound to our benefit."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You are an arrogant ass
>>>>>
>>>>> Concession of defeat noted. You didn't refute a word I said.
>>>>>
>>>>> So why do you consider it impossible that the crook Trump could
>>> finally
>>>>> be dealt a just hand?
>>>>
>>>> What evidence is there that Trump committed a felony?
>>>
>>>
>>> The evidence from the documents
>>> presented at trial
>>>
>>>
>>> >From the little I
>>>> saw, it was not presented during the trial. In fact, what was the
>>>> underlying crime?
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Trump ADMITTED committing the crime.
>>>
>>>
>>> "And on Tuesday, Trump seemed to outright
>>> admit he had done so, insisting to reporters
>>> crowded outside the courthouse that he marked
>>> the expenditures to Daniels via his former
>>> fixer and attorney Michael Cohen as a "legal
>>> expense."
>>>
>>> https://newrepublic.com/post/180741/trump-admit-hush-money-trial-crimes
>>
>> He was only admitting to committing a crime if the money paid to Cohen was
>> *not*, in fact, a legal expense. Trump insists it was. Cohen said it wasn't,
>> because a) he never did any legal work for the Trump Organization, and b) paying
>> Clifford/Daniels the money was not "legal work" for Trump personally at the time
>> Cohen paid her.
>>
>> The fact is, the money paid to Cohen by Trump personally or by the Trump
>> Organization was *not* for any legal work, meaning the business records were
>> falsified and the falsification was committed and/or ordered by Trump.
>>
>> But we are left with the question as to why Hartung and the other
>> knuckle-draggers find it so unbelievable that this could be proved in a court of
>> law. It *was* proved, and it should not come as any surprise that Trump would do
>> this. He's been doing shit like this for his entire adult life, and even
>> earlier. He's a lifelong cheat and chiseler, and everyone knows it. He is the
>> cheat and chiseler that the knuckle-draggers, the deplorables, can only wish
>> they could be. That's why they adore him.
>
> Cohen is a convicted liar.

So is Trump.

In article <fDH6O.212$Yva6.6@fx34.iad>, rc.@hendrie.con says...
>
> On 5/31/2024 7:25 PM, Anonymous wrote:
> > I accept the legitimacy of this "verdict"
>
> Why do you put quotes around it, you mewling shit-4-braincell impotent
> cocksucker? It *is* a verdict.
>
> > as much as you accept the legitimacy of the Rittenhouse and Zimmerman verdicts.
>
> I accept that those verdicts were returned by the ordinary workings of the
> justice system, *exactly* as was Trump's verdict. None of the three trials were
> "rigged" or "fixed." Particularly regarding the Zimmerman trial, there were no
> witnesses to the confrontation, no one other than Zimmerman who saw the exact
> details as to how it started, and that left an element of reasonable doubt for
> the jurors that the prosecution couldn't overcome. We *know* that Zimmerman went
> after Martin with the intention of detaining him, so it seems unlikely that
> Martin started the fight. But given the absence of witnesses, it was not
> unreasonable for the jury to give the fuckscum Zimmerman the benefit of doubt.
>
> Rittenhouse is another matter. It is clear that he didn't act in self defense.
> That was a bad jury. However, they returned a verdict and that's the end of it.
>
> I want to see you suffer the same fate as Martin, Rosenbaum and Huber, you
> fucking impotent cocksucker.

But when it came to Zimmerman and Rittenhouse you felt different.

On 6/1/2024 2:01 PM, Skeeter-Shit Jack-Off Shit-4-Braincell, convicted child
molester and another fucking do-nothing, lied:

> In article <oXH6O.10272$1Jw6.4990@fx37.iad>,
> mike.am.surreal@earthlink.nut says...
>>
>> On 6/1/2024 8:54 AM, Skeeter-Shit Jack-Off Shit-4-Braincell, convicted child
>> molester and another fucking do-nothing, lied:
>>
>>> In article <UfH6O.4889$L7p2.861@fx01.iad>, air@vatican_.con says...
>>>>
>>>> On 5/31/2024 7:09 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>> David Hartung <junk@nogood.com> wrote in
>>>>> news:oaWdnRUHk7jiocf7nZ2dnZfqn_oAAAAA@giganews.com:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 5/31/24 16:05, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>>> On 5/31/2024 1:42 PM, David Hartung wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 5/31/24 12:44, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>>>>> It's *not* surprising in the least. Trump has been a crook his
>>>>> entire
>>>>>>>>> adult life; even earlier if you count his cheating on the SAT to get
>>>>>>>>> into college and his draft dodging ("bone spurs," *ha ha ha ha ha*!)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Trump cheated on all his wives.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Trump bragged about screwing his friends' wives.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Trump chiseled his contractors and attorneys for decades.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Trump violated the emoluments clause every single day of his failed
>>>>>>>>> term.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Trump broke the law in freezing aid to Ukraine and trying to
>>>>>>>>> strong-arm Zelenskiy into smearing Joe Biden.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Trump organized, financed and incited an insurrection.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Trump organized and participated in the fake electors scheme.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Trump *stole* thousands of documents, including hundreds that are
>>>>>>>>> classified, and refused to return them, defied a subpoena for them,
>>>>>>>>> and obstructed the recovery of them by the government, including
>>>>>>>>> suborning perjury by his lawyers. Trump *still* has documents that
>>>>>>>>> don't belong to him.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Trump corruptly and criminally tried to pressure state election
>>>>>>>>> officials into committing election fraud.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The *only* thing surprising about this case and verdict is how long
>>>>>>>>> it took before Trump finally was brought to justice. And make no
>>>>>>>>> mistake, justice was done.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It is hilarious listening to Trump talk about the case. Trump, an
>>>>>>>>> intellectual mediocrity at best, has a self-replenishing bucket of
>>>>>>>>> lame, trite adjectives and nouns that he reaches into to grab a
>>>>>>>>> fistful and lard his speech and text messages with them. "Corrupt,"
>>>>>>>>> "disgrace/disgraceful," "disgusting," "fake," "radical far left,"
>>>>>>>>> "hoax," etc. These are words used by a demented fuckwit who never
>>>>> had
>>>>>>>>> a good vocabulary to start with.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I once read a very good piece by someone talking about "separator"
>>>>>>>>> words. These are words and expressions that separate intelligent and
>>>>>>>>> literate people from the average people and the knuckle-draggers.
>>>>> The
>>>>>>>>> author gave an example of responses by a knuckle-dragger, an average
>>>>>>>>> Joe, and an intelligent and literate person to the discovery of a
>>>>>>>>> useful solution to a problem.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>    Knuckle-dragger: "Cool!"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>    Average Joe: "This will help us."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>    Intelligent literate person, e.g. Prof. Canoza:
>>>>>>>>>    "This will redound to our benefit."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You are an arrogant ass
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Concession of defeat noted. You didn't refute a word I said.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So why do you consider it impossible that the crook Trump could
>>>>> finally
>>>>>>> be dealt a just hand?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What evidence is there that Trump committed a felony?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The evidence from the documents
>>>>> presented at trial
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> >From the little I
>>>>>> saw, it was not presented during the trial. In fact, what was the
>>>>>> underlying crime?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Trump ADMITTED committing the crime.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "And on Tuesday, Trump seemed to outright
>>>>> admit he had done so, insisting to reporters
>>>>> crowded outside the courthouse that he marked
>>>>> the expenditures to Daniels via his former
>>>>> fixer and attorney Michael Cohen as a "legal
>>>>> expense."
>>>>>
>>>>> https://newrepublic.com/post/180741/trump-admit-hush-money-trial-crimes
>>>>
>>>> He was only admitting to committing a crime if the money paid to Cohen was
>>>> *not*, in fact, a legal expense. Trump insists it was. Cohen said it wasn't,
>>>> because a) he never did any legal work for the Trump Organization, and b) paying
>>>> Clifford/Daniels the money was not "legal work" for Trump personally at the time
>>>> Cohen paid her.
>>>>
>>>> The fact is, the money paid to Cohen by Trump personally or by the Trump
>>>> Organization was *not* for any legal work, meaning the business records were
>>>> falsified and the falsification was committed and/or ordered by Trump.
>>>>
>>>> But we are left with the question as to why Hartung and the other
>>>> knuckle-draggers find it so unbelievable that this could be proved in a court of
>>>> law. It *was* proved, and it should not come as any surprise that Trump would do
>>>> this. He's been doing shit like this for his entire adult life, and even
>>>> earlier. He's a lifelong cheat and chiseler, and everyone knows it. He is the
>>>> cheat and chiseler that the knuckle-draggers, the deplorables, can only wish
>>>> they could be. That's why they adore him.
>>>
>>> Cohen is a convicted liar.
>>
>> So is Trump.
>
> He hasn't been convicted of lying.

Falsification of business records is lying. Trump is a convicted liar.

On 6/1/2024 2:01 PM, Skeeter-Shit Jack-Off Shit-4-Braincell, convicted child
molester and another fucking do-nothing, lied:

> In article <fDH6O.212$Yva6.6@fx34.iad>, rc.@hendrie.con says...
>>
>> On 5/31/2024 7:25 PM, Anonymous wrote:
>>> I accept the legitimacy of this "verdict"
>>
>> Why do you put quotes around it, you mewling shit-4-braincell impotent
>> cocksucker? It *is* a verdict.
>>
>>> as much as you accept the legitimacy of the Rittenhouse and Zimmerman verdicts.
>>
>> I accept that those verdicts were returned by the ordinary workings of the
>> justice system, *exactly* as was Trump's verdict. None of the three trials were
>> "rigged" or "fixed." Particularly regarding the Zimmerman trial, there were no
>> witnesses to the confrontation, no one other than Zimmerman who saw the exact
>> details as to how it started, and that left an element of reasonable doubt for
>> the jurors that the prosecution couldn't overcome. We *know* that Zimmerman went
>> after Martin with the intention of detaining him, so it seems unlikely that
>> Martin started the fight. But given the absence of witnesses, it was not
>> unreasonable for the jury to give the fuckscum Zimmerman the benefit of doubt.
>>
>> Rittenhouse is another matter. It is clear that he didn't act in self defense.
>> That was a bad jury. However, they returned a verdict and that's the end of it.
>>
>> I want to see you suffer the same fate as Martin, Rosenbaum and Huber, you
>> fucking impotent cocksucker.
>
> But when it came to Zimmerman and Rittenhouse you felt different.

No.

On Fri, 31 May 2024 16:09:19 -0500, David Hartung <junk@nogood.com> wrote:

>What evidence is there that Trump committed a felony? From the little I
>saw, it was not presented during the trial. In fact, what was the
>underlying crime?

Ask the jury.

Swill
--
#nevertrump

"Your reputation will be damaged as everybody's reputation is damaged who gets involved
with Donald Trump. He's damaged goods, There's no good dealing with him
because you will end up on the bottom of a pyre." - Steve Cohen to John Durham

Durham, Meadows, Cohen, Ellis, Eastman, Bobb, Giuliani, Lindell, Nauta

Let's not add America to this list.

#nevertrump

On 6/3/2024 7:54 AM, Skeeter-Shit Jack-Off Shit-4-Braincell, convicted child
molester and another fucking do-nothing, lied:

> In article <zwM6O.6075$kHEb.3052@fx48.iad>,
> mike.am.surreal@earthlink.nut says...
>>
>> On 6/1/2024 2:01 PM, Skeeter-Shit Jack-Off Shit-4-Braincell, convicted child
>> molester and another fucking do-nothing, lied:
>>
>>> In article <oXH6O.10272$1Jw6.4990@fx37.iad>,
>>> mike.am.surreal@earthlink.nut says...
>>>>
>>>> On 6/1/2024 8:54 AM, Skeeter-Shit Jack-Off Shit-4-Braincell, convicted child
>>>> molester and another fucking do-nothing, lied:
>>>>
>>>>> In article <UfH6O.4889$L7p2.861@fx01.iad>, air@vatican_.con says...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 5/31/2024 7:09 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>>> David Hartung <junk@nogood.com> wrote in
>>>>>>> news:oaWdnRUHk7jiocf7nZ2dnZfqn_oAAAAA@giganews.com:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 5/31/24 16:05, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 5/31/2024 1:42 PM, David Hartung wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 5/31/24 12:44, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> It's *not* surprising in the least. Trump has been a crook his
>>>>>>> entire
>>>>>>>>>>> adult life; even earlier if you count his cheating on the SAT to get
>>>>>>>>>>> into college and his draft dodging ("bone spurs," *ha ha ha ha ha*!)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Trump cheated on all his wives.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Trump bragged about screwing his friends' wives.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Trump chiseled his contractors and attorneys for decades.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Trump violated the emoluments clause every single day of his failed
>>>>>>>>>>> term.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Trump broke the law in freezing aid to Ukraine and trying to
>>>>>>>>>>> strong-arm Zelenskiy into smearing Joe Biden.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Trump organized, financed and incited an insurrection.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Trump organized and participated in the fake electors scheme.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Trump *stole* thousands of documents, including hundreds that are
>>>>>>>>>>> classified, and refused to return them, defied a subpoena for them,
>>>>>>>>>>> and obstructed the recovery of them by the government, including
>>>>>>>>>>> suborning perjury by his lawyers. Trump *still* has documents that
>>>>>>>>>>> don't belong to him.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Trump corruptly and criminally tried to pressure state election
>>>>>>>>>>> officials into committing election fraud.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The *only* thing surprising about this case and verdict is how long
>>>>>>>>>>> it took before Trump finally was brought to justice. And make no
>>>>>>>>>>> mistake, justice was done.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It is hilarious listening to Trump talk about the case. Trump, an
>>>>>>>>>>> intellectual mediocrity at best, has a self-replenishing bucket of
>>>>>>>>>>> lame, trite adjectives and nouns that he reaches into to grab a
>>>>>>>>>>> fistful and lard his speech and text messages with them. "Corrupt,"
>>>>>>>>>>> "disgrace/disgraceful," "disgusting," "fake," "radical far left,"
>>>>>>>>>>> "hoax," etc. These are words used by a demented fuckwit who never
>>>>>>> had
>>>>>>>>>>> a good vocabulary to start with.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I once read a very good piece by someone talking about "separator"
>>>>>>>>>>> words. These are words and expressions that separate intelligent and
>>>>>>>>>>> literate people from the average people and the knuckle-draggers.
>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>>>>> author gave an example of responses by a knuckle-dragger, an average
>>>>>>>>>>> Joe, and an intelligent and literate person to the discovery of a
>>>>>>>>>>> useful solution to a problem.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>    Knuckle-dragger: "Cool!"
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>    Average Joe: "This will help us."
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>    Intelligent literate person, e.g. Prof. Canoza:
>>>>>>>>>>>    "This will redound to our benefit."
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You are an arrogant ass
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Concession of defeat noted. You didn't refute a word I said.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So why do you consider it impossible that the crook Trump could
>>>>>>> finally
>>>>>>>>> be dealt a just hand?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What evidence is there that Trump committed a felony?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The evidence from the documents
>>>>>>> presented at trial
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >From the little I
>>>>>>>> saw, it was not presented during the trial. In fact, what was the
>>>>>>>> underlying crime?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Trump ADMITTED committing the crime.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "And on Tuesday, Trump seemed to outright
>>>>>>> admit he had done so, insisting to reporters
>>>>>>> crowded outside the courthouse that he marked
>>>>>>> the expenditures to Daniels via his former
>>>>>>> fixer and attorney Michael Cohen as a "legal
>>>>>>> expense."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://newrepublic.com/post/180741/trump-admit-hush-money-trial-crimes
>>>>>>
>>>>>> He was only admitting to committing a crime if the money paid to Cohen was
>>>>>> *not*, in fact, a legal expense. Trump insists it was. Cohen said it wasn't,
>>>>>> because a) he never did any legal work for the Trump Organization, and b) paying
>>>>>> Clifford/Daniels the money was not "legal work" for Trump personally at the time
>>>>>> Cohen paid her.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The fact is, the money paid to Cohen by Trump personally or by the Trump
>>>>>> Organization was *not* for any legal work, meaning the business records were
>>>>>> falsified and the falsification was committed and/or ordered by Trump.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But we are left with the question as to why Hartung and the other
>>>>>> knuckle-draggers find it so unbelievable that this could be proved in a court of
>>>>>> law. It *was* proved, and it should not come as any surprise that Trump would do
>>>>>> this. He's been doing shit like this for his entire adult life, and even
>>>>>> earlier. He's a lifelong cheat and chiseler, and everyone knows it. He is the
>>>>>> cheat and chiseler that the knuckle-draggers, the deplorables, can only wish
>>>>>> they could be. That's why they adore him.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cohen is a convicted liar.
>>>>
>>>> So is Trump.
>>>
>>> He hasn't been convicted of lying.
>>
>> Falsification of business records is lying. Trump is a convicted liar.
>
> He falsified nothing.

On 6/3/2024 7:54 AM, Skeeter-Shit Jack-Off Shit-4-Braincell, convicted child
molester and another fucking do-nothing, lied:

> In article <HyM6O.6076$kHEb.4898@fx48.iad>,
> mike.am.surreal@earthlink.nut says...
>>
>> On 6/1/2024 2:01 PM, Skeeter-Shit Jack-Off Shit-4-Braincell, convicted child
>> molester and another fucking do-nothing, lied:
>>
>>> In article <fDH6O.212$Yva6.6@fx34.iad>, rc.@hendrie.con says...
>>>>
>>>> On 5/31/2024 7:25 PM, Anonymous wrote:
>>>>> I accept the legitimacy of this "verdict"
>>>>
>>>> Why do you put quotes around it, you mewling shit-4-braincell impotent
>>>> cocksucker? It *is* a verdict.
>>>>
>>>>> as much as you accept the legitimacy of the Rittenhouse and Zimmerman verdicts.
>>>>
>>>> I accept that those verdicts were returned by the ordinary workings of the
>>>> justice system, *exactly* as was Trump's verdict. None of the three trials were
>>>> "rigged" or "fixed." Particularly regarding the Zimmerman trial, there were no
>>>> witnesses to the confrontation, no one other than Zimmerman who saw the exact
>>>> details as to how it started, and that left an element of reasonable doubt for
>>>> the jurors that the prosecution couldn't overcome. We *know* that Zimmerman went
>>>> after Martin with the intention of detaining him, so it seems unlikely that
>>>> Martin started the fight. But given the absence of witnesses, it was not
>>>> unreasonable for the jury to give the fuckscum Zimmerman the benefit of doubt.
>>>>
>>>> Rittenhouse is another matter. It is clear that he didn't act in self defense.
>>>> That was a bad jury. However, they returned a verdict and that's the end of it.
>>>>
>>>> I want to see you suffer the same fate as Martin, Rosenbaum and Huber, you
>>>> fucking impotent cocksucker.
>>>
>>> But when it came to Zimmerman and Rittenhouse you felt different.
>>
>> No.
>
> Yes and

No, and I proved it.