On Thu, 2 May 2024 13:12:57 +0000, bertietaylor@myyahoo.com
(bertietaylor) in alt.atheism with message-id
<be8eb7d0740bdd118191222521ea386f@www.novabbs.com> wrote:

>Maximus wrote:
>
>> Attila wrote:
>>> On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 23:01:29 +1000, Maximus
>>> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>> <l9c8dbFt67nU1@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Attila wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 21:50:59 +1000, Maximus
>>>>> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>> <l9c496Fsit6U1@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Attila wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 19:39:27 +1000, Maximus
>>>>>>> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>> <l9bsiiFrec7U1@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> D wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 30 Apr 2024, Maximus wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Attila wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 28 Apr 2024 21:38:00 -0700, The Starmaker
>>>>>>>>>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>>>>>> <662F2428.72E6@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Atheism is a belief, it's not a science.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Religious beliefs and Atheism beliefs are both on the same
>level of
>>>>>>>>>>>> ...beliefs.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Atheist are confident that there is no God, as Religions are
>>>>>>>>>>>> confident that there is a God.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> They are are both on the same level of ...beliefs.
>>>>>>>>>>> Not really.  Theists postulate the existence of something
>>>>>>>>>>> without any supporting evidence for that existence.
>>>>>>>>>> I disagree. billions of believers and personal testimony is
>evidence.
>>>>>>>>> That is not scientific proof.
>>>>>>>> I never said it was
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In order to count as proof, they need to devise a test that
>proves
>>>>>>>>> god. No such test has ever been devised that satisfies the
>rigorous
>>>>>>>>> standards of science.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If personal testimony would be enough, then you end up with a
>pantheon
>>>>>>>>> of gods, pink unicorns, ufos etc. I am sure you can see how
>foolish
>>>>>>>>> this position is.
>>>>>>>> with any evidence, we must determine credibility. there are
>currently
>>>>>>>> 2.4 billion christians and almost 2 billion muslims in the world
>today.
>>>>>>>> believers in pink unicorns, or other gods, don't even come close.
>>>>>>> Interesting. At some point there were less than 20 persons
>>>>>>> who believed in Christianity and millions that believed in
>>>>>>> other gods. Does that mean those gods were valid at that
>>>>>>> time and Christianity was not? Does a religion become
>>>>>>> valid when a certain level of belief is reached? What is
>>>>>>> the number needed to validate a religion as being true?
>>>>>> I don't believe any number can.
>>>>> Then why did you mention the number of Christians and other
>>>>> religions as if the numbers matter?
>>>> because they do matter. they are evidence.
>>> Not really. They must be accepted before they are evidence
>>> - at best they are unsupported opinion.
>>>
>>> "Oh, look! A pile of poop! That proves there is a god!"
>>> "Oh, look! A rock! That proves there is a god!"
>>> "Oh, look! A bug! That proves there is a god!"
>>> "Oh, look! A ham sandwich! That proves there is a god!"
>>>
>>> Take your pick. For some that is all the evidence that is
>>> needed.
>
>> yes, many ppl think the earth is proof of God. ie. created by God
>
>>>
>>>> I never said they validate
>>>> the beliefs as truth
>>> Actual evidence usually supports something as being true or
>>> factual.
>
>> yes
>
>Good. But what to say if what is fact for one is fiction for another?

A fact is a statement that can be verified. It can be proven
to be true or false through objective evidence.

>
>Whoever feeds us is God. Or at least, Good.
>
>We love God.
>
>Woof-woof
>
>bt (Arindam's best friends)
>
>>>
>>> --
>>>

--

Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting
and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Whatever it takes - Stop the Democrats. Or the Dims
as I prefer to call them

The most dangerous enemies the United States has:

Biden the Senile Bastard and his Bitch and
supported by the Sluts and Pimps including
Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler,
Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Cory Booker. They
have stepped over the line and are working against
the country and what it stands for.

Do not work with them but oppose everything they attempt.

Stop the Green Raw Deal! I dare call it treason.
Go WOKE. Go broke.
CRT - Criminals Recruiting Thugs
DEI - Dumbass Egotistical Idiocy
End all social engineering programs.

I don't know how Comical Karine can still hold a straight
face with what she has to say.

Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten
Apple?

Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
It is the business of no one else.

There is only one reason for a woman to get an abortion.
She want's it. All else is irrelevant

I support a Pro-Choice Constitutional Amendment.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.

Attila wrote:
> On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 23:01:29 +1000, Maximus
> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
> <l9c8dbFt67nU1@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>
>> Attila wrote:
>>> On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 21:50:59 +1000, Maximus
>>> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>> <l9c496Fsit6U1@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Attila wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 19:39:27 +1000, Maximus
>>>>> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>> <l9bsiiFrec7U1@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> D wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tue, 30 Apr 2024, Maximus wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Attila wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 28 Apr 2024 21:38:00 -0700, The Starmaker
>>>>>>>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>>>> <662F2428.72E6@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Atheism is a belief, it's not a science.
>>>>>>>>>> Religious beliefs and Atheism beliefs are both on the same level of
>>>>>>>>>> ...beliefs.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Atheist are confident that there is no God, as Religions are
>>>>>>>>>> confident that there is a God.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> They are are both on the same level of ...beliefs.
>>>>>>>>> Not really.  Theists postulate the existence of something
>>>>>>>>> without any supporting evidence for that existence.
>>>>>>>> I disagree. billions of believers and personal testimony is evidence.
>>>>>>> That is not scientific proof.
>>>>>> I never said it was
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In order to count as proof, they need to devise a test that proves
>>>>>>> god. No such test has ever been devised that satisfies the rigorous
>>>>>>> standards of science.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If personal testimony would be enough, then you end up with a pantheon
>>>>>>> of gods, pink unicorns, ufos etc. I am sure you can see how foolish
>>>>>>> this position is.
>>>>>> with any evidence, we must determine credibility. there are currently
>>>>>> 2.4 billion christians and almost 2 billion muslims in the world today.
>>>>>> believers in pink unicorns, or other gods, don't even come close.
>>>>> Interesting. At some point there were less than 20 persons
>>>>> who believed in Christianity and millions that believed in
>>>>> other gods. Does that mean those gods were valid at that
>>>>> time and Christianity was not? Does a religion become
>>>>> valid when a certain level of belief is reached? What is
>>>>> the number needed to validate a religion as being true?
>>>> I don't believe any number can.
>>> Then why did you mention the number of Christians and other
>>> religions as if the numbers matter?
>> because they do matter. they are evidence.
> Not really. They must be accepted before they are evidence
> - at best they are unsupported opinion.
>
> "Oh, look! A pile of poop! That proves there is a god!"
> "Oh, look! A rock! That proves there is a god!"
> "Oh, look! A bug! That proves there is a god!"
> "Oh, look! A ham sandwich! That proves there is a god!"
>
> Take your pick. For some that is all the evidence that is
> needed.

yes, many ppl think the earth is proof of God. ie. created by God

>
>> I never said they validate
>> the beliefs as truth
> Actual evidence usually supports something as being true or
> factual.

yes

>
> --
>

--
“Atheism is the birth right of all human, remember that!”- hhyapster 7.4.23

"Christian beliefs fail against reason, facts, and knowledge"

"Religion is not about truth, it's about lifestyle"

"God is a convenient explanation for what man does not understand.
The less that's inexplicable, the less need for a 'God' explanation."

"The problem with theism is that it never remains within
the realm of belief, but invariably proceeds to assertion"

On Thu, 2 May 2024 10:40:53 +1000, Maximus
<gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
<l9g5oqFgn0iU1@mid.individual.net> wrote:

>Attila wrote:
>> On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 23:01:29 +1000, Maximus
>> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
>> <l9c8dbFt67nU1@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Attila wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 21:50:59 +1000, Maximus
>>>> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>> <l9c496Fsit6U1@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Attila wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 19:39:27 +1000, Maximus
>>>>>> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>> <l9bsiiFrec7U1@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> D wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 30 Apr 2024, Maximus wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Attila wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 28 Apr 2024 21:38:00 -0700, The Starmaker
>>>>>>>>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>>>>> <662F2428.72E6@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Atheism is a belief, it's not a science.
>>>>>>>>>>> Religious beliefs and Atheism beliefs are both on the same level of
>>>>>>>>>>> ...beliefs.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Atheist are confident that there is no God, as Religions are
>>>>>>>>>>> confident that there is a God.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> They are are both on the same level of ...beliefs.
>>>>>>>>>> Not really.  Theists postulate the existence of something
>>>>>>>>>> without any supporting evidence for that existence.
>>>>>>>>> I disagree. billions of believers and personal testimony is evidence.
>>>>>>>> That is not scientific proof.
>>>>>>> I never said it was
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In order to count as proof, they need to devise a test that proves
>>>>>>>> god. No such test has ever been devised that satisfies the rigorous
>>>>>>>> standards of science.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If personal testimony would be enough, then you end up with a pantheon
>>>>>>>> of gods, pink unicorns, ufos etc. I am sure you can see how foolish
>>>>>>>> this position is.
>>>>>>> with any evidence, we must determine credibility. there are currently
>>>>>>> 2.4 billion christians and almost 2 billion muslims in the world today.
>>>>>>> believers in pink unicorns, or other gods, don't even come close.
>>>>>> Interesting. At some point there were less than 20 persons
>>>>>> who believed in Christianity and millions that believed in
>>>>>> other gods. Does that mean those gods were valid at that
>>>>>> time and Christianity was not? Does a religion become
>>>>>> valid when a certain level of belief is reached? What is
>>>>>> the number needed to validate a religion as being true?
>>>>> I don't believe any number can.
>>>> Then why did you mention the number of Christians and other
>>>> religions as if the numbers matter?
>>> because they do matter. they are evidence.
>> Not really. They must be accepted before they are evidence
>> - at best they are unsupported opinion.
>>
>> "Oh, look! A pile of poop! That proves there is a god!"
>> "Oh, look! A rock! That proves there is a god!"
>> "Oh, look! A bug! That proves there is a god!"
>> "Oh, look! A ham sandwich! That proves there is a god!"
>>
>> Take your pick. For some that is all the evidence that is
>> needed.
>
>yes, many ppl think the earth is proof of God. ie. created by God

Such people say the existence of anything is proof a god
exists. There is no way to have a rational dialog with such
people.

>
>>
>>> I never said they validate
>>> the beliefs as truth
>> Actual evidence usually supports something as being true or
>> factual.
>
>yes
>

--

Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting
and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Whatever it takes - Stop the Democrats. Or the Dims
as I prefer to call them

The most dangerous enemies the United States has:

Biden the Senile Bastard and his Bitch and
supported by the Sluts and Pimps including
Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler,
Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Cory Booker. They
have stepped over the line and are working against
the country and what it stands for.

Do not work with them but oppose everything they attempt.

Stop the Green Raw Deal! I dare call it treason.
Go WOKE. Go broke.
CRT - Criminals Recruiting Thugs
DEI - Dumbass Egotistical Idiocy
End all social engineering programs.

I don't know how Comical Karine can still hold a straight
face with what she has to say.

Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten
Apple?

Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
It is the business of no one else.

There is only one reason for a woman to get an abortion.
She want's it. All else is irrelevant

I support a Pro-Choice Constitutional Amendment.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.

Maximus wrote:

> Attila wrote:
>> On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 23:01:29 +1000, Maximus
>> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
>> <l9c8dbFt67nU1@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Attila wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 21:50:59 +1000, Maximus
>>>> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>> <l9c496Fsit6U1@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Attila wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 19:39:27 +1000, Maximus
>>>>>> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>> <l9bsiiFrec7U1@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> D wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 30 Apr 2024, Maximus wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Attila wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 28 Apr 2024 21:38:00 -0700, The Starmaker
>>>>>>>>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>>>>> <662F2428.72E6@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Atheism is a belief, it's not a science.
>>>>>>>>>>> Religious beliefs and Atheism beliefs are both on the same
level of
>>>>>>>>>>> ...beliefs.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Atheist are confident that there is no God, as Religions are
>>>>>>>>>>> confident that there is a God.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> They are are both on the same level of ...beliefs.
>>>>>>>>>> Not really.  Theists postulate the existence of something
>>>>>>>>>> without any supporting evidence for that existence.
>>>>>>>>> I disagree. billions of believers and personal testimony is
evidence.
>>>>>>>> That is not scientific proof.
>>>>>>> I never said it was
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In order to count as proof, they need to devise a test that
proves
>>>>>>>> god. No such test has ever been devised that satisfies the
rigorous
>>>>>>>> standards of science.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If personal testimony would be enough, then you end up with a
pantheon
>>>>>>>> of gods, pink unicorns, ufos etc. I am sure you can see how
foolish
>>>>>>>> this position is.
>>>>>>> with any evidence, we must determine credibility. there are
currently
>>>>>>> 2.4 billion christians and almost 2 billion muslims in the world
today.
>>>>>>> believers in pink unicorns, or other gods, don't even come close.
>>>>>> Interesting. At some point there were less than 20 persons
>>>>>> who believed in Christianity and millions that believed in
>>>>>> other gods. Does that mean those gods were valid at that
>>>>>> time and Christianity was not? Does a religion become
>>>>>> valid when a certain level of belief is reached? What is
>>>>>> the number needed to validate a religion as being true?
>>>>> I don't believe any number can.
>>>> Then why did you mention the number of Christians and other
>>>> religions as if the numbers matter?
>>> because they do matter. they are evidence.
>> Not really. They must be accepted before they are evidence
>> - at best they are unsupported opinion.
>>
>> "Oh, look! A pile of poop! That proves there is a god!"
>> "Oh, look! A rock! That proves there is a god!"
>> "Oh, look! A bug! That proves there is a god!"
>> "Oh, look! A ham sandwich! That proves there is a god!"
>>
>> Take your pick. For some that is all the evidence that is
>> needed.

> yes, many ppl think the earth is proof of God. ie. created by God

>>
>>> I never said they validate
>>> the beliefs as truth
>> Actual evidence usually supports something as being true or
>> factual.

> yes

Good. But what to say if what is fact for one is fiction for another?

Whoever feeds us is God. Or at least, Good.

We love God.

Woof-woof

bt (Arindam's best friends)

>>
>> --
>>