On 2/05/2024 8:57 am, Dawn Flood wrote:
> On 4/30/2024 10:58 PM, Michael Christ wrote:
>> On 1/05/2024 1:41 pm, Dawn Flood wrote:
>>> On 4/30/2024 8:09 PM, % wrote:
>>>> Dawn Flood wrote:
>>>>> On 4/30/2024 9:49 AM, % wrote:
>>>>>> Dawn Flood wrote:
>>>>>>> On 4/29/2024 10:46 AM, Skeeter wrote:
>>>>>>>> In article <v0nrka$1m0et$3@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>>>> Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com
>>>>>>>> says...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 4/28/2024 11:38 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Atheism is a belief, it's not a science.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Religious beliefs and Atheism beliefs are both on the same
>>>>>>>>>> level of ...beliefs.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Atheist are confident that there is no God, as Religions are
>>>>>>>>>> confident that there is a God.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> They are are both on the same level of ...beliefs.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> No atheist thinks this way.  Have your read Professor Richard
>>>>>>>>> Dawkins'
>>>>>>>>> The God Delusion?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dawn
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If all you read is negative by atheists then your mind can not
>>>>>>>> grasp the
>>>>>>>> possibility.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm delighted to read anything by anyone, religious or not, and
>>>>>>> for that matter, on any topic espousing any position.  Of course,
>>>>>>> there is only so much time in any given day.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dawn
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> you can read it all after you go flat dead into the ground with
>>>>>> nothing
>>>>>
>>>>> What's the alternative?  Fantasy??
>>>>>
>>>>> Dawn
>>>>
>>>> the alternative is just like yours , who knows what will happen after
>>>
>>> Yeah, "Who knows?!"  Is faith causal?  I don't believe that it is,
>>> which, in my opinion, makes faith pointless.
>>>
>>> Dawn
>>
>> You can't live without faith in something, you silly girl! Faith in a
>> "nothing" is about as ridiculous as it gets, though.
>>
>
> Michael,
>
> Define "faith".
>
> Dawn

Faith is trusting in someone or something.

And you couldn't so much as clean your teeth without it.

Everything is a belief and then you put your faith in that belief or you
do not...but either way, it is faith.

You have now been edumacated.

Michael Christ

--
God is God in all His Being.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that a sinner could play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: A man full of bluster and bullshit
pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

What does a fool do? A fool looks for a "nothing" in a "something" in
order to explain the existence of existence.

"Unless you do all because He is who He is, all your religion is in vain."

"Every man is subject to God; He judges every man, and He is reality.
 What a gift in a fallen world!"

"Love MUST be a choice or it is nothing but a law!"

"Why were all men born sinners? So that God could reveal Himself, so
that we would behold the glory of God, and that we should bring forth
the glory of God"

"God does not and will not arbitrate for any man to love Him! If God
isn't everything to you, He is nothing to you where the rubber meets the
road."

"It is the unforgivable sin not to love God with all your heart, soul,
and mind. What do you have that is lasting? It is not so much being
punished; it is what you are left with."

"Love isn't worth anything without first a free will choice for God to
birth it in a man."

"The point of salvation: desperation. Anything less than that is
self-righteousness."

"A sinner is not a believer in God; a sinner is a believer in sin."

"A piece of dirt is not the promised land; that is only a reflection.
The promised land is knowing Me, says the Lord."

On 5/2/2024 6:28 PM, Michael Christ wrote:
> On 2/05/2024 8:57 am, Dawn Flood wrote:
>> On 4/30/2024 10:58 PM, Michael Christ wrote:
>>> On 1/05/2024 1:41 pm, Dawn Flood wrote:
>>>> On 4/30/2024 8:09 PM, % wrote:
>>>>> Dawn Flood wrote:
>>>>>> On 4/30/2024 9:49 AM, % wrote:
>>>>>>> Dawn Flood wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 4/29/2024 10:46 AM, Skeeter wrote:
>>>>>>>>> In article <v0nrka$1m0et$3@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>>>>> Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>> says...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 4/28/2024 11:38 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Atheism is a belief, it's not a science.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Religious beliefs and Atheism beliefs are both on the same
>>>>>>>>>>> level of ...beliefs.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Atheist are confident that there is no God, as Religions are
>>>>>>>>>>> confident that there is a God.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> They are are both on the same level of ...beliefs.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> No atheist thinks this way.  Have your read Professor Richard
>>>>>>>>>> Dawkins'
>>>>>>>>>> The God Delusion?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Dawn
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If all you read is negative by atheists then your mind can not
>>>>>>>>> grasp the
>>>>>>>>> possibility.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm delighted to read anything by anyone, religious or not, and
>>>>>>>> for that matter, on any topic espousing any position.  Of
>>>>>>>> course, there is only so much time in any given day.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dawn
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> you can read it all after you go flat dead into the ground with
>>>>>>> nothing
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What's the alternative?  Fantasy??
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dawn
>>>>>
>>>>> the alternative is just like yours , who knows what will happen after
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, "Who knows?!"  Is faith causal?  I don't believe that it is,
>>>> which, in my opinion, makes faith pointless.
>>>>
>>>> Dawn
>>>
>>> You can't live without faith in something, you silly girl! Faith in a
>>> "nothing" is about as ridiculous as it gets, though.
>>>
>>
>> Michael,
>>
>> Define "faith".
>>
>> Dawn
>
> Faith is trusting in someone or something.
>
> And you couldn't so much as clean your teeth without it.
>
> Everything is a belief and then you put your faith in that belief or you
> do not...but either way, it is faith.
>
> You have now been edumacated.
>
>

Sounds reasonable! As an atheist, I suppose that I *do* have faith,
just not faith in God, Jesus (who I think was crazy), invisible
unicorns, the FSM, fairies, etc.

Dawn

Michael Christ wrote:
> On 2/05/2024 8:57 am, Dawn Flood wrote:
>> On 4/30/2024 10:58 PM, Michael Christ wrote:
>>> On 1/05/2024 1:41 pm, Dawn Flood wrote:
>>>> On 4/30/2024 8:09 PM, % wrote:
>>>>> Dawn Flood wrote:
>>>>>> On 4/30/2024 9:49 AM, % wrote:
>>>>>>> Dawn Flood wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 4/29/2024 10:46 AM, Skeeter wrote:
>>>>>>>>> In article <v0nrka$1m0et$3@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>>>>> Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>> says...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 4/28/2024 11:38 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Atheism is a belief, it's not a science.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Religious beliefs and Atheism beliefs are both on the same
>>>>>>>>>>> level of ...beliefs.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Atheist are confident that there is no God, as Religions are
>>>>>>>>>>> confident that there is a God.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> They are are both on the same level of ...beliefs.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> No atheist thinks this way.  Have your read Professor Richard
>>>>>>>>>> Dawkins'
>>>>>>>>>> The God Delusion?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Dawn
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If all you read is negative by atheists then your mind can not
>>>>>>>>> grasp the
>>>>>>>>> possibility.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm delighted to read anything by anyone, religious or not, and
>>>>>>>> for that matter, on any topic espousing any position.  Of
>>>>>>>> course, there is only so much time in any given day.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dawn
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> you can read it all after you go flat dead into the ground with
>>>>>>> nothing
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What's the alternative?  Fantasy??
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dawn
>>>>>
>>>>> the alternative is just like yours , who knows what will happen after
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, "Who knows?!"  Is faith causal?  I don't believe that it is,
>>>> which, in my opinion, makes faith pointless.
>>>>
>>>> Dawn
>>>
>>> You can't live without faith in something, you silly girl! Faith in
>>> a "nothing" is about as ridiculous as it gets, though.
>>>
>>
>> Michael,
>>
>> Define "faith".
>>
>> Dawn
>
> Faith is trusting in someone or something.
>
> And you couldn't so much as clean your teeth without it.
>
> Everything is a belief and then you put your faith in that belief or
> you do not...but either way, it is faith.
>
> You have now been edumacated.
>
>
>

thanks for reminding me I need to clean my teeth. but I better believe I
can. oh, but first I must believe I can get up out of this chair. then I
have to believe I can walk to the bathroom. and I better believe the
image in the mirror is really me. oh, and I had best believe that the
toothbrush and toothpaste I'm looking at is really there, and I can pick
them up to clean my teeth. but are they really my teeth? I had better
believe that! don't think I will clean my teeth after all. I'm too tired
from all this believing!

>
>
> Michael Christ
>
>

--
“Atheism is the birth right of all human, remember that!”- hhyapster 7.4.23

"Christian beliefs fail against reason, facts, and knowledge"

"Religion is not about truth, it's about lifestyle"

"God is a convenient explanation for what man does not understand.
The less that's inexplicable, the less need for a 'God' explanation."

"The problem with theism is that it never remains within
the realm of belief, but invariably proceeds to assertion"

On 4/30/2024 10:58 PM, Michael Christ wrote:
> On 1/05/2024 1:41 pm, Dawn Flood wrote:
>> On 4/30/2024 8:09 PM, % wrote:
>>> Dawn Flood wrote:
>>>> On 4/30/2024 9:49 AM, % wrote:
>>>>> Dawn Flood wrote:
>>>>>> On 4/29/2024 10:46 AM, Skeeter wrote:
>>>>>>> In article <v0nrka$1m0et$3@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>>> Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com
>>>>>>> says...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 4/28/2024 11:38 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>>>>>> The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Atheism is a belief, it's not a science.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Religious beliefs and Atheism beliefs are both on the same
>>>>>>>>> level of ...beliefs.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Atheist are confident that there is no God, as Religions are
>>>>>>>>> confident that there is a God.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> They are are both on the same level of ...beliefs.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No atheist thinks this way.  Have your read Professor Richard
>>>>>>>> Dawkins'
>>>>>>>> The God Delusion?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dawn
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If all you read is negative by atheists then your mind can not
>>>>>>> grasp the
>>>>>>> possibility.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm delighted to read anything by anyone, religious or not, and
>>>>>> for that matter, on any topic espousing any position.  Of course,
>>>>>> there is only so much time in any given day.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dawn
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> you can read it all after you go flat dead into the ground with
>>>>> nothing
>>>>
>>>> What's the alternative?  Fantasy??
>>>>
>>>> Dawn
>>>
>>> the alternative is just like yours , who knows what will happen after
>>
>> Yeah, "Who knows?!"  Is faith causal?  I don't believe that it is,
>> which, in my opinion, makes faith pointless.
>>
>> Dawn
>
> You can't live without faith in something, you silly girl! Faith in a
> "nothing" is about as ridiculous as it gets, though.
>

Michael,

Define "faith".

Dawn

Dawn Flood wrote:
> On 4/30/2024 10:58 PM, Michael Christ wrote:
>> On 1/05/2024 1:41 pm, Dawn Flood wrote:
>>> On 4/30/2024 8:09 PM, % wrote:
>>>> Dawn Flood wrote:
>>>>> On 4/30/2024 9:49 AM, % wrote:
>>>>>> Dawn Flood wrote:
>>>>>>> On 4/29/2024 10:46 AM, Skeeter wrote:
>>>>>>>> In article <v0nrka$1m0et$3@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>>>> Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com
>>>>>>>> says...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 4/28/2024 11:38 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Atheism is a belief, it's not a science.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Religious beliefs and Atheism beliefs are both on the same
>>>>>>>>>> level of ...beliefs.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Atheist are confident that there is no God, as Religions are
>>>>>>>>>> confident that there is a God.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> They are are both on the same level of ...beliefs.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> No atheist thinks this way.  Have your read Professor Richard
>>>>>>>>> Dawkins'
>>>>>>>>> The God Delusion?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dawn
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If all you read is negative by atheists then your mind can not
>>>>>>>> grasp the
>>>>>>>> possibility.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm delighted to read anything by anyone, religious or not, and
>>>>>>> for that matter, on any topic espousing any position.  Of
>>>>>>> course, there is only so much time in any given day.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dawn
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> you can read it all after you go flat dead into the ground with
>>>>>> nothing
>>>>>
>>>>> What's the alternative?  Fantasy??
>>>>>
>>>>> Dawn
>>>>
>>>> the alternative is just like yours , who knows what will happen after
>>>
>>> Yeah, "Who knows?!"  Is faith causal?  I don't believe that it is,
>>> which, in my opinion, makes faith pointless.
>>>
>>> Dawn
>>
>> You can't live without faith in something, you silly girl! Faith in a
>> "nothing" is about as ridiculous as it gets, though.
>>
>
> Michael,
>
> Define "faith".

michael doesn't like answering questions, just asking them

>
> Dawn
>

--
“Atheism is the birth right of all human, remember that!”- hhyapster 7.4.23

"Christian beliefs fail against reason, facts, and knowledge"

"Religion is not about truth, it's about lifestyle"

"God is a convenient explanation for what man does not understand.
The less that's inexplicable, the less need for a 'God' explanation."

"The problem with theism is that it never remains within
the realm of belief, but invariably proceeds to assertion"

On 5/2/2024 1:10 AM, Maximus wrote:
> Dawn Flood wrote:
>> On 4/30/2024 10:58 PM, Michael Christ wrote:
>>> On 1/05/2024 1:41 pm, Dawn Flood wrote:
>>>> On 4/30/2024 8:09 PM, % wrote:
>>>>> Dawn Flood wrote:
>>>>>> On 4/30/2024 9:49 AM, % wrote:
>>>>>>> Dawn Flood wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 4/29/2024 10:46 AM, Skeeter wrote:
>>>>>>>>> In article <v0nrka$1m0et$3@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>>>>> Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>> says...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 4/28/2024 11:38 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Atheism is a belief, it's not a science.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Religious beliefs and Atheism beliefs are both on the same
>>>>>>>>>>> level of ...beliefs.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Atheist are confident that there is no God, as Religions are
>>>>>>>>>>> confident that there is a God.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> They are are both on the same level of ...beliefs.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> No atheist thinks this way.  Have your read Professor Richard
>>>>>>>>>> Dawkins'
>>>>>>>>>> The God Delusion?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Dawn
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If all you read is negative by atheists then your mind can not
>>>>>>>>> grasp the
>>>>>>>>> possibility.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm delighted to read anything by anyone, religious or not, and
>>>>>>>> for that matter, on any topic espousing any position.  Of
>>>>>>>> course, there is only so much time in any given day.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dawn
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> you can read it all after you go flat dead into the ground with
>>>>>>> nothing
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What's the alternative?  Fantasy??
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dawn
>>>>>
>>>>> the alternative is just like yours , who knows what will happen after
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, "Who knows?!"  Is faith causal?  I don't believe that it is,
>>>> which, in my opinion, makes faith pointless.
>>>>
>>>> Dawn
>>>
>>> You can't live without faith in something, you silly girl! Faith in a
>>> "nothing" is about as ridiculous as it gets, though.
>>>
>>
>> Michael,
>>
>> Define "faith".
>
> michael doesn't like answering questions, just asking them
>
>>

:-)

On Fri, 3 May 2024, Dawn Flood wrote:

> On 5/2/2024 6:28 PM, Michael Christ wrote:
>> On 2/05/2024 8:57 am, Dawn Flood wrote:
>>> On 4/30/2024 10:58 PM, Michael Christ wrote:
>>>> On 1/05/2024 1:41 pm, Dawn Flood wrote:
>>>>> On 4/30/2024 8:09 PM, % wrote:
>>>>>> Dawn Flood wrote:
>>>>>>> On 4/30/2024 9:49 AM, % wrote:
>>>>>>>> Dawn Flood wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 4/29/2024 10:46 AM, Skeeter wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> In article <v0nrka$1m0et$3@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>>>>>> Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>> says...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/28/2024 11:38 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Atheism is a belief, it's not a science.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Religious beliefs and Atheism beliefs are both on the same level
>>>>>>>>>>>> of ...beliefs.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Atheist are confident that there is no God, as Religions are
>>>>>>>>>>>> confident that there is a God.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> They are are both on the same level of ...beliefs.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> No atheist thinks this way.  Have your read Professor Richard
>>>>>>>>>>> Dawkins'
>>>>>>>>>>> The God Delusion?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Dawn
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If all you read is negative by atheists then your mind can not
>>>>>>>>>> grasp the
>>>>>>>>>> possibility.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm delighted to read anything by anyone, religious or not, and for
>>>>>>>>> that matter, on any topic espousing any position.  Of course, there
>>>>>>>>> is only so much time in any given day.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dawn
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> you can read it all after you go flat dead into the ground with
>>>>>>>> nothing
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What's the alternative?  Fantasy??
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dawn
>>>>>>
>>>>>> the alternative is just like yours , who knows what will happen after
>>>>>
>>>>> Yeah, "Who knows?!"  Is faith causal?  I don't believe that it is,
>>>>> which, in my opinion, makes faith pointless.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dawn
>>>>
>>>> You can't live without faith in something, you silly girl! Faith in a
>>>> "nothing" is about as ridiculous as it gets, though.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Michael,
>>>
>>> Define "faith".
>>>
>>> Dawn
>>
>> Faith is trusting in someone or something.
>>
>> And you couldn't so much as clean your teeth without it.
>>
>> Everything is a belief and then you put your faith in that belief or you do
>> not...but either way, it is faith.
>>
>> You have now been edumacated.
>>
>>
>
> Sounds reasonable! As an atheist, I suppose that I *do* have faith, just not
> faith in God, Jesus (who I think was crazy), invisible unicorns, the FSM,
> fairies, etc.
>
> Dawn

Actually, when you look at it with a bit more thought, it is completely
unreasonable. G.E. Moore proved that there is a physical world and people
who believe the world is an illusion, generally seem to be feeling
genuine pain when hit over the head with a rock.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Here_is_one_hand

Let us also remember that the burden of proof falls on the one who beliefs
in something else than the world.

But there is a darker side to the erroneous belief that everything is a
belief, and that is that conversation, science and us talking becomes
impossible. Facts and the world exists, and all it takes to realize it is
to look out the window. If that was not a fact, any discussion would be
pointless because it would deteriorate into a jumble of beliefs, and there
would ultimate be no point since I can counter any argument with "it is my
belief".

So the belief that everything is a belief, leads to nothing and is an
extremely unproductive belief.

Dawn Flood wrote:
> On 5/3/2024 4:11 AM, D wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Fri, 3 May 2024, Dawn Flood wrote:
>>
>>> On 5/2/2024 6:28 PM, Michael Christ wrote:
>>>> On 2/05/2024 8:57 am, Dawn Flood wrote:
>>>>> On 4/30/2024 10:58 PM, Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>> On 1/05/2024 1:41 pm, Dawn Flood wrote:
>>>>>>> On 4/30/2024 8:09 PM, % wrote:
>>>>>>>> Dawn Flood wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 4/30/2024 9:49 AM, % wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Dawn Flood wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/29/2024 10:46 AM, Skeeter wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <v0nrka$1m0et$3@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>> says...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/28/2024 11:38 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Atheism is a belief, it's not a science.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Religious beliefs and Atheism beliefs are both on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same level of ...beliefs.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Atheist are confident that there is no God, as Religions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are confident that there is a God.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They are are both on the same level of ...beliefs.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> No atheist thinks this way.  Have your read Professor
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Richard Dawkins'
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The God Delusion?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dawn
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> If all you read is negative by atheists then your mind can
>>>>>>>>>>>> not grasp the
>>>>>>>>>>>> possibility.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm delighted to read anything by anyone, religious or not,
>>>>>>>>>>> and for that matter, on any topic espousing any position. 
>>>>>>>>>>> Of course, there is only so much time in any given day.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Dawn
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> you can read it all after you go flat dead into the ground
>>>>>>>>>> with nothing
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What's the alternative?  Fantasy??
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dawn
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> the alternative is just like yours , who knows what will happen
>>>>>>>> after
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yeah, "Who knows?!"  Is faith causal?  I don't believe that it
>>>>>>> is, which, in my opinion, makes faith pointless.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dawn
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You can't live without faith in something, you silly girl! Faith
>>>>>> in a "nothing" is about as ridiculous as it gets, though.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Michael,
>>>>>
>>>>> Define "faith".
>>>>>
>>>>> Dawn
>>>>
>>>> Faith is trusting in someone or something.
>>>>
>>>> And you couldn't so much as clean your teeth without it.
>>>>
>>>> Everything is a belief and then you put your faith in that belief
>>>> or you do not...but either way, it is faith.
>>>>
>>>> You have now been edumacated.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Sounds reasonable!  As an atheist, I suppose that I *do* have faith,
>>> just not faith in God, Jesus (who I think was crazy), invisible
>>> unicorns, the FSM, fairies, etc.
>>>
>>> Dawn
>>
>> Actually, when you look at it with a bit more thought, it is
>> completely unreasonable. G.E. Moore proved that there is a physical
>> world and people who believe the world is an illusion, generally seem
>> to be feeling genuine pain when hit over the head with a rock.
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Here_is_one_hand
>>
>> Let us also remember that the burden of proof falls on the one who
>> beliefs in something else than the world.
>>
>> But there is a darker side to the erroneous belief that everything is
>> a belief, and that is that conversation, science and us talking
>> becomes impossible. Facts and the world exists, and all it takes to
>> realize it is to look out the window. If that was not a fact, any
>> discussion would be pointless because it would deteriorate into a
>> jumble of beliefs, and there would ultimate be no point since I can
>> counter any argument with "it is my belief".
>>
>> So the belief that everything is a belief, leads to nothing and is an
>> extremely unproductive belief.
>
> Well stated!

MX misuses the term belief. belief is a product of ones thought about
something. we don't have to believe the car is in the garage or there's
a door on the house, we just see them! in his attempts to seem 'deeper'
he just makes himself look crazy.

>
> Dawn

--
“Atheism is the birth right of all human, remember that!”- hhyapster 7.4.23

"Christian beliefs fail against reason, facts, and knowledge"

"Religion is not about truth, it's about lifestyle"

"God is a convenient explanation for what man does not understand.
The less that's inexplicable, the less need for a 'God' explanation."

"The problem with theism is that it never remains within
the realm of belief, but invariably proceeds to assertion"

On Fri, 3 May 2024, Dawn Flood wrote:

> On 5/3/2024 4:11 AM, D wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Fri, 3 May 2024, Dawn Flood wrote:
>>
>>> On 5/2/2024 6:28 PM, Michael Christ wrote:
>>>> On 2/05/2024 8:57 am, Dawn Flood wrote:
>>>>> On 4/30/2024 10:58 PM, Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>> On 1/05/2024 1:41 pm, Dawn Flood wrote:
>>>>>>> On 4/30/2024 8:09 PM, % wrote:
>>>>>>>> Dawn Flood wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 4/30/2024 9:49 AM, % wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Dawn Flood wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/29/2024 10:46 AM, Skeeter wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <v0nrka$1m0et$3@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>> says...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/28/2024 11:38 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Atheism is a belief, it's not a science.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Religious beliefs and Atheism beliefs are both on the same
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> level of ...beliefs.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Atheist are confident that there is no God, as Religions are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> confident that there is a God.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They are are both on the same level of ...beliefs.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> No atheist thinks this way.  Have your read Professor Richard
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dawkins'
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The God Delusion?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dawn
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> If all you read is negative by atheists then your mind can not
>>>>>>>>>>>> grasp the
>>>>>>>>>>>> possibility.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm delighted to read anything by anyone, religious or not, and
>>>>>>>>>>> for that matter, on any topic espousing any position.  Of course,
>>>>>>>>>>> there is only so much time in any given day.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Dawn
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> you can read it all after you go flat dead into the ground with
>>>>>>>>>> nothing
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What's the alternative?  Fantasy??
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dawn
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> the alternative is just like yours , who knows what will happen after
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yeah, "Who knows?!"  Is faith causal?  I don't believe that it is,
>>>>>>> which, in my opinion, makes faith pointless.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dawn
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You can't live without faith in something, you silly girl! Faith in a
>>>>>> "nothing" is about as ridiculous as it gets, though.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Michael,
>>>>>
>>>>> Define "faith".
>>>>>
>>>>> Dawn
>>>>
>>>> Faith is trusting in someone or something.
>>>>
>>>> And you couldn't so much as clean your teeth without it.
>>>>
>>>> Everything is a belief and then you put your faith in that belief or you
>>>> do not...but either way, it is faith.
>>>>
>>>> You have now been edumacated.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Sounds reasonable!  As an atheist, I suppose that I *do* have faith, just
>>> not faith in God, Jesus (who I think was crazy), invisible unicorns, the
>>> FSM, fairies, etc.
>>>
>>> Dawn
>>
>> Actually, when you look at it with a bit more thought, it is completely
>> unreasonable. G.E. Moore proved that there is a physical world and people
>> who believe the world is an illusion, generally seem to be feeling genuine
>> pain when hit over the head with a rock.
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Here_is_one_hand
>>
>> Let us also remember that the burden of proof falls on the one who beliefs
>> in something else than the world.
>>
>> But there is a darker side to the erroneous belief that everything is a
>> belief, and that is that conversation, science and us talking becomes
>> impossible. Facts and the world exists, and all it takes to realize it is
>> to look out the window. If that was not a fact, any discussion would be
>> pointless because it would deteriorate into a jumble of beliefs, and there
>> would ultimate be no point since I can counter any argument with "it is my
>> belief".
>>
>> So the belief that everything is a belief, leads to nothing and is an
>> extremely unproductive belief.
>
> Well stated!
>
> Dawn
>
Thank you Dawn! =)